Support NeoGAF

[3liteDragon]

It sounds like DLSS 4 might bring neural rendering/upscaling to textures, but based on what I'm reading, it MIGHT not be exclusive to the 50 series? Anyone else looking into this, feel free to correct me. If this works on all RTX cards, that'll be huge. All DLSS features are a form of neural rendering but Jensen also talked about being able to generate textures/NPCs on the fly when he was asked about DLSS's future.

Inno3D teases "Neural Rendering" and "Advanced DLSS" for GeForce RTX 50 GPUs at CES 2025 - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA preparing Neural Rendering revolution One of the board partners speaks about new AI-features, spotted by HardwareLuxx. The AI revolution has not happened yet, it seems. At least, that’s what Inno3D’s CES 2025 press release seems to claim. The company talks about everything that will be...

videocardz.com

Random-Access Neural Compression of Material Textures | Research

The continuous advancement of photorealism in rendering is accompanied by a growth in texture data and, consequently, increasing storage and memory demands. To address this issue, we propose a novel neural compression technique specifically designed for material textures. We unlock two more...

research.nvidia.com

https://research.nvidia.com/labs/rtr/neural_appearance_models/

https://research.nvidia.com/labs/rtr/neural_texture_compression/assets/ntc_video.mp4

 

[Codeblew]

nvm. I am dumb.

 

[SweetTooth]

Why not compare the same image. Of course the zoomed in one is going to be more blurry.

They want to justify the $$$$

Edit: not changing my OG post

 

[Codeblew]

They want to justify the $$$$

I totally looked at the photo wrong, I corrected my statement =P

 

[nemiroff]

It appears people are already so salty they went temporarily blind

 

[Kenpachii]

Would be cool if that could reduce v-ram requirements drastically.

 

[Black_Stride]

Neural textures shouldnt be exclusive to RTX50 if Nvidia really is introducing it.
It shouldnt even be Nvidia exclusive.

Neural Rendering is also a really broad statment, because DLSS SuperResolution and FrameGeneration could be seen as Neural Rendering.

It sounds like what they are saying is their new GPUs are more powerful so can use those AI features faster.(shocking I know)
If thats the big advancement the RTX50s are bringing, im going be skipping the generation for sure.


If its NRC they are introducing then im slightly more interested, even if ReSTIR (RayReconstruction) has only been used by what 2 or 3 games since its introduction.
So NRC is likely gonna be even rarer.

 

[amigastar]

I hope it works on all RTX Cards. That would be sweet.

 

[Hohenheim]

Would be cool if that could reduce v-ram requirements drastically.

Isn't the opposite more likely? I read something about this yesterday, saying this technology uses lots of vram. But I've no clue.
Exciting stuff for sure! Looking forward to Jensens presentation about this stuff.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

I hope it works on all RTX Cards. That would be sweet.

 

[amigastar]

 

[Jinzo Prime]

No Jensen. Not falling for the flashy shit. We need affordable GPUs not buzzwords.

 

[Kenpachii]

Isn't the opposite more likely? I read something about this yesterday, saying this technology uses lots of vram. But I've no clue.
Exciting stuff for sure! Looking forward to Jensens presentation about this stuff.

Yea read up on it and it does seem to consume more v-ram.

 

[The Cockatrice]

So devs can be even more lazy and rely on gpu's to enhance/render higher quality textures? Yeah sure Jan.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Good, more PC tech to further separate us from consoles.

 

[GHG]

Neural textures shouldnt be exclusive to RTX50 if Nvidia really is introducing it.
It shouldnt even be Nvidia exclusive.

Neural Rendering is also a really broad statment, because DLSS SuperResolution and FrameGeneration could be seen as Neural Rendering.

It shouldn't, but this is Nvidia we are talking about, so if they can find a way to make it proprietary then they will.

 

[SABRE220]

Just when the others are pulling close Nvidia keeps putting in the distance hopefully this time the others can catch up quicker because you can be sure Nvidia just added 20% premium on the new cards.

 

[willothedog]

More innovative tech that AMD/consoles will try to copy years down the line but will be vastly inferior.

 

[Black_Stride]

So devs can be even more lazy and rely on gpu's to enhance/render higher quality textures? Yeah sure Jan.

Reference textures are higher quality than you receive in game.
They are also frikken massive as in hundreds of MB if not gigs in size for some assets.

What this means is devs can compress those super high quality textures down and let the neural upscaler decompress and upscale the textures to a good level, without said textures taking up a bunch of space.

 

[Black_Stride]

Isn't the opposite more likely? I read something about this yesterday, saying this technology uses lots of vram. But I've no clue.
Exciting stuff for sure! Looking forward to Jensens presentation about this stuff.

If it really is NTC they are introducing then it will reduce VRAM usage for decent quality textures.
It would basically be like DLSS SuperResolution but for textures.
The overhead cost should still be lower than using the reference ground truth textures.

 

[Knightime_X]

If Switch 2 uses this tech, and it looks as good if not better than ps5 I will nut several gallons.
Not getting my hopes up, but I really DO hope nintendo decides to go back to playing with power.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

If Switch 2 uses this tech, and it looks as good if not better than ps5 I will nut several gallons.
Not getting my hopes up, but I really DO hope nintendo decides to go back to playing with power.

They can't afford that kind of tech for a <$500 handheld.

 

[daninthemix]

If Switch 2 uses this tech

It won't. It takes years for Nvidia's cutting edge GPU tech to filter down to consoles in any form.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Reference textures are higher quality than you receive in game.
They are also frikken massive as in hundreds of MB if not gigs in size for some assets.

What this means is devs can compress those super high quality textures down and let the neural upscaler decompress and upscale the textures to a good level, without said textures taking up a bunch of space.

Thats a good case scenario.

 

[Black_Stride]

Thats a good case scenario.

If you ever see pretty much any games artdump youll notice the original textures are always ridiculously high quality.
Thats because during the authoring stage of the textures devs will usually be using the highest quality setting they can to create the textures because its easier to create texture when you have a large canvas e.g 4096x4096

One of the "hard parts" of game development is making shit actually fit into memory, which is why we retopo geometry and compress textures down.
When they make the assets whether is polygons or textures the OG is always well beyond what would be reasonable for a shipping game.

Compressing the textures then having some sort of middleware that can upscale them, makes the dance of size/quality much easier on devs and hopefully much prettier for gamers.
In theory its a win/win and not a crutch as you assumed because we gamers want the textures as clear as possible, but we also want them to fit in memory/storage.

 

[KungFucius]

Fuck me, the hype is making me want one. Must be strong and hold out for 6090.

 

[00_Zer0]

No Jensen. Not falling for the flashy shit. We need affordable GPUs not buzzwords.

Remember the promise of Ray Tracing for all back when the RX 2xxx series was released? From that day to this this which amounts to about 6 years and still Ray Traced games are few and far between. Nvidia has brute forced this technology to where it is today, and yet the majority of the PC gaming public can barely take advantage of it.

 

[The Cockatrice]

In theory

 

[GymWolf]

I told ghg that some shanenigans to improve textures was one of the possible future steps.

Finally they are doing something for us assett nutjobs and not just fancy lights and shadows.

 

[darrylgorn]

Never asked for it, but I'll take it.

 

[Lootlord]

Guys can you not see 16x the detail?

 

[Gaiff]

Sounds like what Sony Santa Monica did for GOWR on PS5.

 

[NeverYouMind]

What a silly workaround to avoid giving customers VRAM for a reasonable price.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Does this increase the need for more VRAM?

 

[Kataploom]

Do we even have a bottleneck for displaying textures? I mean, that's the smallest of the concerns about game rendering these days, unless they allow us to show real time procedural textures which scale infinitely I don't see a big benefit.

I rather have them use the power to real time lighting calculations or something that's currently killing performance instead.

 

[00_Zer0]

Does this increase the need for more VRAM?

Nvidia has come up with a new feature called Neural VRam where they take 8Gb and 12GB of VRam and accelerate the amount through their patented AI process only available on their 5xxx series cards. It will cost you for this type of exclusive technology though. The base 5060 model with 8GB of ram will now cost $449.99 and the 12GB 5070 base model will cost you an economical $749.00. Everybody wins with these entry prices, but this is just a rumor I came up with from out of my ass, so take it with a grain of AI upscaled salt.