and piss off all the 4090 owners?
You realize they are not pushing any crap forward? It's just another gimmick to make some fools spend 2k$ for a new gpu to play gaas games.
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trolling PC and promoting PS5 pixel soup is back I see
AMD has been playing catch up all those years on tech but Nvidia pushes nothing forward, sure. Peak
I was early 2070 adopter for RTX and early 3080 adopter.
Every PC thread.
I think frame gen is pretty great. Combined with Reflex, you end up with a much smoother image with better motion clarity without incurring a latency penalty compared to native without Reflex. You can also just enable Reflex to greatly lower latency, but in single player games, 40 to 60ms hardly matters.
You bought a PS5 Pro to play games with better visuals and fidelity at near double the cost of a base PS5. You don't see the the hypocrisy here?
True... Sony these days is price gouging worse than nVidia and Apple combined.
fuck off bitch. I can post where I want.
I know. Quite usable with like 70-80fps as a base to get above 100. But I already have 70fps... I don't need 140 with more lag. I've played it and it feels smooth enough but I just can't care for it.
It's true. You guys are fake enthusiasts probably like asmongold. Loud mouth and probably nothing else. I had whole life of pc experience to be able to appreciate what consoles are doing.
wow he went there
It was cheap and worth it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
are you fucking for real? LIKE FOR REAL?
Why do people always keep spouting marketing without even taking a second to think about what they're saying? There is always a latency penalty to using framegen. If you use reflex without frame gen, the latency is lower than using reflex with frame gen. Nvidia must really love it that people voluntarily spout their marketing falsehoods as truths.
It's actually usable at 40 and above per NVIDIA's recommendation. For FSR3, it's 60 and above because they don't necessarily add input reduction technologies like Reflex. FF XVI for instance can drop to 50fps at max settings 4K DLAA on my 4090. Toggle Reflex+Frame Generation on, you get 80-110fps without more latency. In this situation, why wouldn't you use it?
yeah fsr3 is shit in comparison from what I've tried.
You’re completely missing the point. Every game with frame generation has Reflex. Not every game without frame generation has Reflex.
Are you even thinking about what you're saying? If every game with frame generation has reflex, that means you can get much lower latency in the game by just using reflex and not using frame generation. Now attempting to compare a game without reflex and frame generation to a game that has both is like comparing an apple to a pear. It's just a bad comparison so I'm not sure why someone would go comparing unlike things.... That is unless they were trying to make a bad faith argument like Nvidia's marketing.
reflex is just vsync off + 1 frame buffer. It was always some sort of option in nvcp before it was called reflex
Are you? Because you're not making sense.
Yes, but again, how much does that super low input latency matters compared to smoother frame rate and better motion clarity with a higher IQ? Case and point, Cyberpunk 2077.
You can also enable Ultra Low Latency Mode, but it often doesn't play nice with some games and can cause higher latency or even crashes in some instances. The results from fiddling with the Control Panel are inconsistent. Reflex is guaranteed to work properly and lower your latency.
Are you? Because you're not making sense.
Yes, but again, how much does that super low input latency matters compared to smoother frame rate and better motion clarity with a higher IQ? Case and point, Cyberpunk 2077.
Reflex wasn't added until the frame generation. In this instance, without Reflex, you had a massive latency of 101.5ms at 42fps. It's reduced to just 63.5ms with Reflex. DLSS Quality+Frame Generation gives 112fps with 62.6ms of latency vs 90fps with 42.7ms of latency for DLSS Performance+Reflex without frame generation. What would you rather have? 20 fewer seconds of latency or DLSS Quality (1440p) over Performance (1080p) and a nice 22fps boost? I can guarantee you, you will absolutely not notice those 20ms of added latency playing Cyberpunk. You will, however, notice the difference between DLSS Q and DLSS P and the 22 extra frames per second. In this instance DLSS Q + Reflex+Frame Generation>DLSS P+Reflex and no frame generation. Nobody was bitching about the latency before Reflex was added, so why bitch now with Frame Generation? It's basically like playing without Reflex as we did in the past, but with a much higher IQ and fps.
If it were CS2, I'd give a shit about those 20ms playing on a 240Hz monitor, maybe. Cyberpunk though? Give me that better IQ and clearer motion clarity brought about by the higher frame rate.
yeah true. reflex is on game level. Some games don't want to listen to system level settingsAre you? Because you're not making sense.
Yes, but again, how much does that super low input latency matters compared to smoother frame rate and better motion clarity with a higher IQ? Case and point, Cyberpunk 2077.
Reflex wasn't added until the frame generation. In this instance, without Reflex, you had a massive latency of 101.5ms at 42fps. It's reduced to just 63.5ms with Reflex. DLSS Quality+Frame Generation gives 112fps with 62.6ms of latency vs 90fps with 42.7ms of latency for DLSS Performance+Reflex without frame generation. What would you rather have? 20 fewer seconds of latency or DLSS Quality (1440p) over Performance (1080p) and a nice 22fps boost? I can guarantee you, you will absolutely not notice those 20ms of added latency playing Cyberpunk. You will, however, notice the difference between DLSS Q and DLSS P and the 22 extra frames per second. In this instance DLSS Q + Reflex+Frame Generation>DLSS P+Reflex and no frame generation. Nobody was bitching about the latency before Reflex was added, so why bitch now with Frame Generation? It's basically like playing without Reflex as we did in the past, but with a much higher IQ and fps.
If it were CS2, I'd give a shit about those 20ms playing on a 240Hz monitor, maybe. Cyberpunk though? Give me that better IQ and clearer motion clarity brought about by the higher frame rate.
You can also enable Ultra Low Latency Mode, but it often doesn't play nice with some games and can cause higher latency or even crashes in some instances. The results from fiddling with the Control Panel are inconsistent. Reflex is guaranteed to work properly and lower your latency.
Damn this is my opinion about it as well, RT off looks more consistently good because surfaces are not overly reflecting everything just for the sake of "Wow!"s
They did it to 3090 / ti owners lmaoand piss off all the 4090 owners?
Then you should be smarter
Oh look, he's off his meds again and now completely unhinged. This typically is a buffer of one week before he's banned.
I've been gaming since commodore 64. I was programming games on it with basic language at 8. I built my PCs starting with 386 architecture. I've never even seen you in any nostalgic PC threads. No I don't believe you're any hardcore, not with the way you navigate game by game through pcgamingwiki to solve anything
Do share your steam profile, we'll get a laugh
Ray-tracing is the future and it's been here since 2018. It's no longer a novelty, even Nintendo plans to support it.
Stats says otherwise
People on this forum don't understand this, don't even try. The total disconnect between what they think the PC market is (people running $1000 GPUs) and what it actually is (people playing Minecraft on their laptop) is crazy.Stats says otherwise
Most people are still at 8GB VRAM and most still at 1080P which means most people will not enable raytracing. It's still a novelty. It'll be less so in 5 years or so assuming the next-gen and next next-gen gpu's as well as the new consoles will be affordable which I doubt.
Ironic. My point of contention with your initial statement that using reflux provides lower latency that using reflux plus frame gen and so your initial statement was incorrect. You have now turned the discussion into something else that was not even being discussed. Essentially you’ve built a beautiful straw man to argue a point i never made?
Who the heck was arguing about motion clarity? Like I said, strawman.Yes, but again, how much does that super low input latency matters compared to smoother frame rate and better motion clarity with a higher IQ? Case and point, Cyberpunk 2077.
Again, arguing a point I never made. Just admit you’re wrong dude. Like you’re just talking about a bunch of stuff no one was discussing. What I initially asserted is a fact. Reflux by itself provides lower latency than reflux plus frame generation. That’s the beginning and ending of the argument I initially presented. The rest of your ramblings are for you alone and have nothing to do with my argument.
Even 6GB VRAM cards such as RTX 2060 (not SUPER) support ray tracing and can run Indiana Jones just fine at 60 fps low settings, let alone 8GB cards such as 2060S/3060/4060.Stats says otherwise
Most people are still at 8GB VRAM and most still at 1080P which means most people will not enable raytracing. It's still a novelty. It'll be less so in 5 years or so assuming the next-gen and next next-gen gpu's as well as the new consoles will be affordable which I doubt.
