Unknown?
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Lol, if you say so. Japan Studio was more Xdev than studio after PS3 anyway. Your idea of what Xdev does doesn't really match reality.
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Unknown?
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All that was by the part of their studio that reached out to 3rd parties and didn't develop their own internal games. Same as what Xdev is now.
Bloodborne - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Co-produced and supervised by Japan Studio.
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Tokyo Jungle - Wikipedia
Tokyo Jungle[a] is a survival action game developed by Crispy's! and Japan Studio and published by Sony Computer Entertainment for the PlayStation 3.
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The Last Guardian - Wikipedia
The Last Guardian[a] is a 2016 action-adventure game developed by Japan Studio and GenDesign and published by Sony Interactive Entertainment for the PlayStation 4.
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Everybody's Golf
JAPANスタジオ作品一覧 1998年～1994年
ソニー・インタラクティブエンタテインメント(SIE)のゲーム制作部門 JAPANスタジオを紹介しているPlayStationオフィシャルサイトです。web.archive.org
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Knack (video game) - Wikipedia
Knack[a] is a beat 'em up platform game developed by Japan Studio and published by Sony Computer Entertainment for the PlayStation 4
nack[a] is a beat 'em up platform game developed by Japan Studio and published by Sony Computer Entertainment for the PlayStation 4
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ok, that's not the question I was answering though.
Got to love how you flip flop based on whether you're painting MS or Sony in a bad or good light:
Some of those at Japan Studio were absorbed into XDEV Japan but yes it was a shame to see Japan Studio reorganised like that with the layoffs.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I can just picture you salivating at the mouth typing up that gotcha, just like that Rise of TR 'but they canceled pre orders at the last minute' Hindenburg level zinger
nial
Member
Ueda's games were internal.
The Last Guy was internal, but good point.
Yuunama (WDIDTDTML) had a pretty good 3D entry on PS4, I can see them returning to that.
Never in my post I implied that they're straight up developing the games, lol.
And yes, producers' job are mainly to manage the project and ensure that it all goes well across the board.
No, they didn't. SCEI produced the game and that was it, this argument is tiring at this point because they couldn't control whatever SCEA and SCEE wanted to publish.
Because mainline Ape Escape was never in the external production side of SCEI, you're looking at Team Asobi (internal production side of SCEI) at that point. Bloodborne, Yuunama, Everybody's Golf were all from external production, THAT's exactly what XDEV does.
Stop pretending that you have any idea about Sony.
nial
Member
I wouldn't be paying too much attention to Wikipedia wording, again, Bloodborne, Tokyo Jungle and Everybody's Golf all came from external production, which is exactly XDEV these days.Bloodborne - Wikipedia
Co-produced and supervised by Japan Studio.
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Tokyo Jungle - Wikipedia
Tokyo Jungle[a] is a survival action game developed by Crispy's! and Japan Studio and published by Sony Computer Entertainment for the PlayStation 3.
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The Last Guardian - Wikipedia
The Last Guardian[a] is a 2016 action-adventure game developed by Japan Studio and GenDesign and published by Sony Interactive Entertainment for the PlayStation 4.
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Everybody's Golf
JAPANスタジオ作品一覧 1998年～1994年
ソニー・インタラクティブエンタテインメント(SIE)のゲーム制作部門 JAPANスタジオを紹介しているPlayStationオフィシャルサイトです。
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Knack (video game) - Wikipedia
Knack[a] is a beat 'em up platform game developed by Japan Studio and published by Sony Computer Entertainment for the PlayStation 4
nack[a] is a beat 'em up platform game developed by Japan Studio and published by Sony Computer Entertainment for the PlayStation 4
Knack and The Last Guardian (that guy was wrong with this one) are indeed internal production.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You don't have to pay attention to Wikipedia's wording.
It was on the official Sony PlayStation JP website before they removed all traces of it.
Archive.org link:
JAPANスタジオ作品一覧
ソニー・インタラクティブエンタテインメント(SIE)のゲーム制作部門 JAPANスタジオを紹介しているPlayStationオフィシャルサイトです。
web.archive.org
Bloodborne, Last Guardian, Shadow of the Colossus (both the original 2005 release and the 'remake) are all listed under Japan Studio's portfolio.
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Your hypocrisy is off the charts is all I'm saying. Somebody said MS was dumb to list Bloodborne, a Sony/PS game as being kept off xbox in the activision trials. Yet you swooped in, balls in mouth, to suggest it was a third party game with IP ownership. Now you're out here of course talking about Japan Studio's involvement in co-development and production. Why? Because you're salivating about mismanagement.I can just picture you salivating at the mouth typing up that gotcha, just like that Rise of TR 'but they canceled pre orders at the last minute' Hindenburg level zinger
What hindenburg level zinger. You just didn't understand what "last minute" meant. Hint: it didn't mean the literal last minute from release. Unless you think development time for TR was just 1 year you know I'm right but you're going to argue about it anyway.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No game takes pre orders a year and half before its release. If some site erroneously mentioned it, like how Play Asia already has bullshit listings for REIX, that's on them.
You can stretch your definition of 'last minute' to a few months, but not 15~ months.
C'mon son, let it go.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Cope harder man.. Jeezus.
nial
Member
That website states that they've existed since 1993 which is all wrong (have you seen anything 'Japan Studio' within Crime Crackers or Motor Toon Grand Prix?).You don't have to pay attention to Wikipedia's wording.
It was on the official Sony PlayStation JP website before they removed all traces of it.
Archive.org link:
JAPANスタジオ作品一覧
ソニー・インタラクティブエンタテインメント(SIE)のゲーム制作部門 JAPANスタジオを紹介しているPlayStationオフィシャルサイトです。
Bloodborne, Last Guardian, Shadow of the Colossus (both the original 2005 release and the 'remake) are all listed under Japan Studio's portfolio.
Around 2007 or so, SCEI started to brand every Japanese game of theirs, all the way from 1994; as 'Japan Studio'.
I mean, a single studio developing over 30 games in 1999 is pretty fucking stupid which should already give you some clue.
I suggest a much better thing; go check the credits of Bloodborne, Demon's Souls (original 2009 version, 2020 remake was internal), Everybody's Golf games, Boku no Natsuyasumi games and see that it's all producers (heck, even online and technical producers), and nothing exactly about developing-adjacent stuff like game design.
That one's idea guy of 'XDEV' within Japan Studio were the externally-developed games, such as the ones I mentioned, and he wasn't exactly wrong.
nial
Member
You know it's all fucked when people like
simpatico
and
Banjo64
start shitting on your thread. I'm not against discussion (I have no issue doing it with
adamsapple
right now), but those people aren't really arguing in good faith.
simpatico
and
Banjo64
start shitting on your thread. I'm not against discussion (I have no issue doing it with
adamsapple
right now), but those people aren't really arguing in good faith.
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It was Amazon, Game, Smyths and several others "erroneously" doing it. Not Play Asia. Weirdly they had the correct box cover too go figure.
In terms of the usual announcement of a game being known to be exclusive or not during development yes it was late. You can get hung up on the use of "last minute" and be pedantic all you like but what does it change? Your bullshit "yeah but that was different" still wouldn't work. Just how you were suggesting Dead Rising 4 was published by MS so doesn't count as Capcom/a third party choice messing up their IP exposure, yet wax lyrical when it comes to PS published games.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't think anyone is arguing that Japan Studio solely developed all those games, they are (or were) a support studio with various levels of involvement in projects.
For Bloodborne, specifically, they seem to have been a big part, the core idea of the game seems to have come from them.
Fun-fact, there was a GAF thread on this very subject in 2017.
What role did Sony's Japan Studio play in developing Bloodborne / Demon's Souls?
Sorry if this question is dumb, but does anyone have any insight? In 'which souls is best' discussions online, I've seen people joke that Demon's Souls and Bloodborne are the best because of Studio Japan's involvement, but it got me wondering exactly how much of those games they had a hand in.
Banjo64
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I’ve posted 1 picture in this thread. Hardly shitting on anything but I am sorry if I’ve upset you.You know it's all fucked when people like
You’re desperation to credit Sony with third party projects continues to be a source of great amusement to me
whenever I’ve tried to talk to you the only thing you can do is try to pigeon hole me as a Nintendo fanboy, because you need to do that in order to validate your view.
nial
Member
Which brings us back to this:
It's clear that he was expressing a dislike to the internal development teams (LocoRoco, Puppeteer, Gravity Rush, Knack), while generally liking the output of the external production team.
I mean, the people that developed Knack or LocoRoco weren't exactly behind the production of Boku no Natsuyasumi or Everybody's Golf series, so there's definitely a sound logic to what he said.
Japan Studio was, first and foremost, a division (the Japanese branch of Worldwide Studios, to be quite clear) with a ton of departments itself.
nial
Member
Like this...?You’re desperation to credit Sony with third party projects continues to be a source of great amusement to me
No, it's due to your lack of self-awareness for how hypocritical you can be with this. See, if you had a single, true view I would just ignore you, but it's amazing to see you getting triggered for the exact same things you do as well.
As much as I don't like Nintendo, I would never discredit them for stuff like Astral Chain, Bayonetta 3 or Kirby and the Forgotten Land.
Heck, learning and reading those posts about the Nintendo EPD groups that produced externally-developed games is what made me look for similar things around Sony's organization, lol.
Banjo64
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Yeah, I'm the triggered one
Here you go buddy
adamsapple
June 16 2014:
www.eurogamer.net
Excerpts from the article
"Rise of the Tomb Raider is now available to pre-order on Amazon for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360."
"Square Enix's Tomb Raider sequel has so far only been officially announced for PC, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One."
Fast forward a month to Gamescom in August and it was announced Xbox one/360 exclusive all of a sudden and all that had disappeared for PS/PC.
"No game takes pre orders a year and half before its release."
They did a lot more in the past. I had GT5 preordered years and years before it actually came.
adamsapple
June 16 2014:
Amazon lists Rise of the Tomb Raider for PS3, Xbox 360
Rise of the Tomb Raider is now available to pre-order on Amazon for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.
www.eurogamer.net
Excerpts from the article
"Rise of the Tomb Raider is now available to pre-order on Amazon for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360."
"Square Enix's Tomb Raider sequel has so far only been officially announced for PC, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One."
Fast forward a month to Gamescom in August and it was announced Xbox one/360 exclusive all of a sudden and all that had disappeared for PS/PC.
"No game takes pre orders a year and half before its release."
They did a lot more in the past. I had GT5 preordered years and years before it actually came.
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nial
Member
Good choice within the lack of arguments, oh well.Yeah, I'm the triggered one
Banjo64
cumsessed
I don’t need to argue with you.
I don’t care if it’s Sony or Nintendo doing this: games developed by third party studios are not first party developed games.
It’s ok that people disagree with you
In the interest of peace and love on New Years Eve, I would like to offer an olive branch to you by framing some of my previous ‘godtendo’ comments. The context being that we have a lot of well meaning but ardent fans on this forum (
Ass of Can Whooping
James Sawyer Ford
adamsapple
) etc. and a lot of us have engaged in a lot of back and forth over the years and I simply find it funny to juxtapose their love of beefy home consoles and mature games with my (moderate and reasoned) love of Nintendo and their baby games in the interest of balance. I’ve been framed as a fanboy of every corporation in my small handful of years here which is why I tend to disengage as soon as it happens again.
nial
Member
I don’t need to argue with you.
I don’t care if it’s Sony or Nintendo doing this: games developed by third party studios are not first party developed games.
It’s ok that people disagree with you
In the interest of peace and love on New Years Eve, I would like to offer an olive branch to you by framing some of my previous ‘godtendo’ comments. The context being that we have a lot of well meaning but ardent fans on this forum (
I’ve been framed as a fanboy of every corporation in my small handful of years here which is why I tend to disengage as soon as it happens again.
Not sure how all of that has anything to do with the discussion (not even the "it's ok that we disagree" part), but alright then...
Banjo64
cumsessed
This is literally all there is to it from my POV
Not sure how all of that has anything to do with the discussion (not even the "it's ok that we disagree" part), but alright then...
Never considered Rareware’s N64 games as first party despite Miyamoto having some oversight of certain projects and Nintendo publishing them (indeed no one else did either).
If you want to count these From Software, Kojima, Team Ninja etc games as Sony projects then you can - and it’s ok for people to disagree with that.
nial
Member
I think just disagreeing is different from framing things these ways:
Everyone in the thread perfectly knew that they weren't the actual developers of these games, and just calling it a moneyhatting team is straight up wrong.
There's disagreeing, and then there's all of that.
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Aenima
Member
FromSoft is actually one of the studios that could get some help in the technical department for better optimisation. Look how Death Stranding came out from a new studio that made the game in 3 years in a engine they never worked on, compared to how Elden Ring runs and looks on consoles.
near
Gold Member
I don't think anyone is arguing that Japan Studio solely developed all those games, they are (or were) a support studio with various levels of involvement in projects.
For Bloodborne, specifically, they seem to have been a big part, the core idea of the game seems to have come from them.
Fun-fact, there was a GAF thread on this very subject in 2017.
What role did Sony's Japan Studio play in developing Bloodborne / Demon's Souls?
Sorry if this question is dumb, but does anyone have any insight? In 'which souls is best' discussions online, I've seen people joke that Demon's Souls and Bloodborne are the best because of Studio Japan's involvement, but it got me wondering exactly how much of those games they had a hand in.www.neogaf.com
I’ve had this discussion a few times here now with
nial
and
Mibu no ookami
, and I agree with you but I have also come to agree and understand
nial
as well. Japan Studios involvement in Bloodborne gets undermined a lot, they played a massive role in the projects inception conceptually, and had those Japan Studio producers not conceived the idea and approached From Software, the game wouldn’t exist.Having said that, Japan Studio functioned as an internal developer and an External Development Group which is pretty much what XDev is today with its own outreach program and allocated producers. Initiatives like Playstation CAMP are prime examples of this. Masaaki Yamagiwa was producer on Bloodborne, and probably was the one who conceived Bloodborne along with Teruyuki Toriyama, the former also produced the PS CAMP titles.
What
nial
is saying is just that, that Bloodborne is a product of Japan Studio’s External Development Group which is XDev as some of those staff got consolidated into that arm of the business when they got restructured. Either way, I miss Japan Studio.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Here you go buddy
June 16 2014:
Amazon lists Rise of the Tomb Raider for PS3, Xbox 360
Rise of the Tomb Raider is now available to pre-order on Amazon for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.
Excerpts from the article
"Rise of the Tomb Raider is now available to pre-order on Amazon for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360."
"Square Enix's Tomb Raider sequel has so far only been officially announced for PC, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One."
Fast forward a month to Gamescom in August and it was announced Xbox one/360 exclusive all of a sudden and all that had disappeared for PS/PC.
"No game takes pre orders a year and half before its release."
They did a lot more in the past. I had GT5 preordered years and years before it actually came.
That means absolutely nothing lol.
It's the same as Play Asia having pre orders for unannounced games for year(s). Also, that game never came out on PS3 in the first place, even after the exclusivity window.
Official pre orders for the game didn't go live until August 2015, not too long before its retail release.
Rise of the Tomb Raider Pre-order Packs
Rise of the Tomb Raider Pre-order Packs Pre-order Packs thread Rise of the Tomb Raider Preorder Packs We’re kicking off preorders for Rise of the Tomb Raider at Gamescom 2015, detailing some of the unique offerings found at participating retailers around the world. You’ll notice that many of thes...
www.laracroftonline.net
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And not sure where Eurogamer got the "announced for PS4" part.
It wasn't officially announced until E3 2014, at the Xbox stream.
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Ar¢tos
Member
"I have no idea what they really do (or I do but I'm disingenuous) , but I have the compulsive need to drive-by shit post some BS and FUD in this thread without giving any reasoning and ignore everyone quoting me so I can, at last, feel superior to others"
Now you're just being silly. The game went up for preorder on Amazon for PS4, XB1, 360 and PS3. How can you say it means nothing having just claimed games don't go up for preorder? It even leaked the fact that it was crossgen before it was officially announced. Much like Amazon France usually leaked this info.
The XB1 and 360 ones remained on the site. The reason it didn't get a PS3 release is because the exclusivity that was done between June 2014 and August 2014 pushed the PS release 1 year further out into 2016 making that release the same year that PS4 Pro launched. Nobody was buying PS3 games at that point anymore. I don't know why you continue to deny this.
It's your "laracroftonline.com" link showing what preorder bonuses you get that means nothing. Not the Eurogamer one showing the game went up for preorder after E3.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It's a copy paste from the official TR social media lol.
That means a lot more than any place like Amazon putting up palceholder pages without any official announcement.
The official communication channels on the game opened up pre-orders in August 2015. Any third party site adding or removing pages beforehand is inconsequential.
You're just arguing for arguments sake how, fighting against official communication over erroneous placeholder pages.
Banjo64
cumsessed
To me it’s a reasonable position to take that Sony’s only significant contribution to established studios like Team Ninja and From Software can be money.
It's a copy paste from the official TR social media lol.
That means a lot more than any place like Amazon putting up palceholder pages without any official announcement.
The official communication channels on the game opened up pre-orders in August 2015. Any third party site adding or removing pages beforehand is inconsequential.
You're just arguing for arguments sake how, fighting against official communication over erroneous placeholder pages.
You claimed it didn't go up for preorder when it did. You claimed preorders weren't removed for PS when it was. You think it leaking the crossgen nature of the game discredits it when it leaked it.
You posting their Preorder bonuses marketing/PR on social media and laracroftonline.com nearer release doesn't mean you couldn't preorder from sites like Amazon or game earlier. You need to let it go when you are so blatantly wrong here but you won't. You'll still pretend it didn't go up for preorder.
nial
Member
Which would be a misunderstanding of how the industry at large works.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
A third party website putting up erroneous listings is not the developer or publisher's fault or responsibility.
You should lodge a complaint at Amazon's customer support for this grievous error instead of trying to turn this into a Crystal Dyanmics conspiracy.
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Mr Moose
Gold Member
First party games != first party dev.
Is MicroSoft Flight Sim a first party game? Yes.
Is the studio behind it a first party dev? No.
It depends on the game in question.
Third party sites (Amazon, Smyths, Game) with the correct box art, and even knowing that it's crossgen. So "erroneously" that they didn't even remove the 360 and xbox one versions either to fix this 'error' of early preorders!
Nobody wants to lodge a complaint but maybe it's time for you to stop denying reality. Nobody cares.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
Not at all, common sense suggests the opposite.
nial
Member
Common sense does not equal to an uninformed point of view. You're trying way too hard.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
XDev was part of Japan Studio before, it was split out at the same time as Asobi. Whenever a game was collaborated on with a 3rd party it was made by XDev which stands for the External Development team.Bloodborne - Wikipedia
Co-produced and supervised by Japan Studio.
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Tokyo Jungle - Wikipedia
Tokyo Jungle[a] is a survival action game developed by Crispy's! and Japan Studio and published by Sony Computer Entertainment for the PlayStation 3.
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The Last Guardian - Wikipedia
The Last Guardian[a] is a 2016 action-adventure game developed by Japan Studio and GenDesign and published by Sony Interactive Entertainment for the PlayStation 4.
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Everybody's Golf
JAPANスタジオ作品一覧 1998年～1994年
ソニー・インタラクティブエンタテインメント(SIE)のゲーム制作部門 JAPANスタジオを紹介しているPlayStationオフィシャルサイトです。
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Knack (video game) - Wikipedia
Knack[a] is a beat 'em up platform game developed by Japan Studio and published by Sony Computer Entertainment for the PlayStation 4
nack[a] is a beat 'em up platform game developed by Japan Studio and published by Sony Computer Entertainment for the PlayStation 4
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ok, sure, it might have spun out of Japan Studios, but all the games I listed above are credited *to* Japan Studio, so kinda baffled that you'd say something like 'all those awful games you played are from them'.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Most of the popular games were made by the XDev team within Japan Studio, same as saying Astrobot was made by the Asobi team within Japan Studio, ultimately they all lived under the one umbrella and it was just the least popular dead weight that got scrapped. (Knack series)
nial
Member
Eh, there wasn't any clear distinction within Asobi Team (Astro Bot Rescue Mission, Astro's Playroom) and the rest of internal development. Many folks who worked on the Astro Bot games were also part of the development of Knack, Gravity Rush, The Last Guardian, Demon's Souls (2020), etc. (heck, several of them are still at SIE within the current Team Asobi).
So, it is external production (Everybody's Golf, Freedom Wars, Bloodborne) versus internal production (Astro Bot, Gravity Rush, Knack).
bitbydeath
Gold Member
I suppose it’s not as clear but would expect it was the team working on the latest Astrobot game that got salvaged.
Banjo64
cumsessed
I’m not trying at all. I’m literally only replying to you because you called me out by name.
Co-production typically does not work at a level where 2 companies are equally responsible for creative control. That’s why when you a co-produced piece of media it usually comes down to one company funding another. A developer like From Software does not need narrative or gameplay advice from Sony and simply would not allow Sony to have full access to assist technically as Sony are their competition.
So apart from case by case examples where the help has gone further (e.g with smaller studios like Larian who are new to the platform and may have welcomed Sony’s technical help) - the common sense stance is that Sony are merely offering financial assistance with these projects.
nial
Member
Which includes people who also worked on ""trashy"" games like Knack.
Got any idea on who's the lead game designer of Astro Bot (2024), that was also present at TGA? Hironori Yatoku, the lead battle designer of Knack 1-2.