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[PeteBull]

Cerny made some comment that maybe 2027 was a possibility for the PS6. If Microsoft releases the Prime in 2026, Fall 2027 for PS6 might happen. If 2027 does happen, you're looking at a $700 PS6 that runs like a 5070 Ti, maybe?

First lets wait what amd shows, we know rx 9700 xt is midrange but how midrange, how its tdp compares to the performance, its 4nm tsmc process just like 50xx series from nvidia.
On the slides we can see avaiable q1 2025 so could be even end of march.
Once we see that, tested by independend reviewers we will know how far amd is from the 4090 performance in console form factor goal.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

If that’s the case, how high do you think the pro version at launch is? I think they could achieve somewhere between 5080 and 5090

Depends on how high on power consumption they would be willing/able to go.

 

[jm89]

Whatever it is, it might be the software features that gets pushed really hard.

Sony need to put serious resources into improving PSSR before ps6 launch.

No need to rush, 2028 seems plenty of time to get things ready.

 

[Gaiff]

Well they haven't made anything recently lol but GT puts any racing game to shame Spiderman Miles on ps5 at launch and Ratchet shortly after in 2020 put pretty much anything to shame graphically

Spider-Man 2 puts Alan Wake 2 to shame graphically? I don’t think so. It doesn’t even put 2018’s RDR2 to shame graphically.

You think ps4 to ps4 pro was an equal leap to the ps5?

No, PS5 was obviously bigger due to all the new features, but the PS5 Pro is a much much smaller upgrade in terms of raw specs compared to the PS4 Pro. For the PS6 to be far ahead of the PS5 Pro, it will have to bank on newer software features. Going for pure power is too costly.

I never said anything about raw performance, I just said the generation had a more significant leap

The OP alludes to pure processing power. If there are significant advancements in software tech, it might not even be needed. Another important aspect is RT and this is moving faster than rasterizationZ

 

[Xyphie]

That’s what I’m speculating as well, 2 SKUs like Xbox S/X

A lower tier dock could also slide into a handheld like device bought separately or bundled, or be used for standalone PSVR3. It makes perfect sense and has utility on multiple fronts.

If that’s the case, how high do you think the pro version at launch is? I think they could achieve somewhere between 5080 and 5090

Who knows?

Nothing technical stops anyone from making a 9800X3D and RTX 5090 console right now.

I think the PS5 Pro is a pretty lackluster system for a premium product, are console gamers willing to pay $1000-1500 for a Pro console?

Will developers be alright with the >10x performance gap between that handheld and the 5090 console?

 

[Gaiff]

Who knows?

Nothing technical stops anyone from making a 9800X3D and RTX 5090 console right now.

It wouldn’t really have the form factor or power consumption of a console with those specs.

 

[Rival]

I’m guessing the PS 6 will have the power of about 4 Speed Queen Washers each filled with 20 Ouyas on spin cycle..

 

[Buggy Loop]

Probably a little below a 5090

Seems like Sony is focusing on the things NVIDIA is currently prioritizing. Frame-gen, AI, RT with raster not being as big of a priority

Not with AMD

Still haven't caught up to DLSS 2 5 years later. 5090 is a completely different beast in AI and ML understanding

It's not even about local hardware anymore, it's about your supercomputer training to make a model and that recipe is just witchcraft apparently if we look at how competition are struggling.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Not with AMD

Still haven't caught up to DLSS 2 5 years later. 5090 is a completely different beast in AI and ML understanding

It's not even about local hardware anymore, it's about your supercomputer training to make a model and that recipe is just witchcraft apparently if we look at how competition are struggling.

PSSR is perfectly competent and really good already. Quit pretending that it’s not

 

[Xyphie]

It wouldn’t really have the form factor or power consumption of a console with those specs.

You could stick a 5090 FE and 9800X3D in a case like a Fractal Design Ridge right now no problem, that's operationally the same size as a launch PS5 or so. Agree on power envelope though.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I think the PS5 Pro is a pretty lackluster system for a premium product, are console gamers willing to pay $1000-1500 for a Pro console?

Will developers be alright with the >10x performance gap between that handheld and the 5090 console?

I don’t think they go above $999 for the pro, and the base version may be $399 which is docked, but has a third state in portable mode that’s lower power

Developers already seem to be alright with switch, steam deck, etc. no difference here really

 

[Xtib81]

As long as they stick to 500-600€ and 200-250W, we're fucked.

 

[Buggy Loop]

PSSR is perfectly competent and really good already. Quit pretending that it’s not

Live look at James

 

[Gaiff]

I don’t think they go above $999 for the pro, and the base version may be $399 which is docked, but has a third state in portable mode that’s lower power

Developers already seem to be alright with switch, steam deck, etc. no difference here really

This is just crazy that we consider a $1000 console a real possibility in the near future.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

This is just crazy that we consider a $1000 console a real possibility in the near future.

Inflation + diminishing returns, I don’t think it’s such a bad idea as long as mainstream players have a lower end device they can buy

 

[RoboFu]

a 780 gtx

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Live look at James

Live look at your incessant trolling every single thread claiming PSSR somehow isn’t good. Just stop

 

[Haint]

Absolute best case is ~25TF's in single operation raster with marginally improved RT and PSSR, will support dual mode simultaneous FP16 and FP32 for a "fake" 50TF's, which in practice is closer to 30TF's of actual performance. Real world power ~2.5x base PS5, 24GB of total RAM is probably more likely than 32GB. Cheapest model with 1TB drive and no disc drive will be $599.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Live look at your incessant trolling every single thread claiming PSSR somehow isn’t good. Just stop

It's behind 5 years old upscaling tech on a brand spanking new console

How in the hell you even think in 4 years they unlock the models of neural shader / neural textures / new enhanced transformer upscaling, frame gen and multi frame gen.

They had 1 thing to catch up to in 5 years and they failed

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It's behind 5 years old upscaling tech on a brand spanking new console

How in the hell you even think in 4 years they unlock the models of neural shader / neural textures / new enhanced transformer upscaling, frame gen and multi frame gen.

They had 1 thing to catch up to in 5 years and they failed

You act like it’s not any good, just stop dude. This is clown show shit

No duh they are behind, AMD isn’t as competitive as NVIDIA so Sony is forced to do a lot of the legwork here.

But it ain’t like PSSR somehow isn’t competitive on its first try. It’s already transformational for many games

 

[RoboFu]

Live look at James

more like

 

[sachos]

Lets assume the PS6 follows the same trend as PS5: It released in 2020 with raster power around 2070 Super, a card from 2019. If the PS6 comes out in 2028 it should be a mid range+ card from nVidia from 2027. nVidia follows a ~2 year release date between generations, so by 2027 we should be getting the 6000 series. I say it will be around ~6070 performance following this very shaky logic.

 

[Crayon]

Nobody is good at guessing this.

 

[adamsapple]

Live look at James

Seems to be a recurring theme with our boy.

As long as they stick to 500-600€ and 200-250W, we're fucked.

Yeaaah ... that ship's sailed. Maybe at most if it's 2 SKU's, a cheaper / lower powered one might be near the 600 mark.

 

[Ironman_Bad]

Spider-Man 2 puts Alan Wake 2 to shame graphically? I don’t think so. It doesn’t even put 2018’s RDR2 to shame graphically.

Spiderman Miles Morales on ps5 in 2020 was a graphical benchmark for any platform and yes rdr2 was and is still gorgeous

 

[Kaiserstark]

Lets assume the PS6 follows the same trend as PS5: It released in 2020 with raster power around 2070 Super, a card from 2019. If the PS6 comes out in 2028 it should be a mid range+ card from nVidia from 2027. nVidia follows a ~2 year release date between generations, so by 2027 we should be getting the 6000 series. I say it will be around ~6070 performance following this very shaky logic.

If we follow this logic is that as for the 4070 against the 3070 for the 5070, there is a performance gain of +25-30% against the 4070 and it is also the same for the 6070.

We could say that the PS6 should be around a 4080 in terms of performance but like you said it's a shaky logic.

In terms of rasterization, the performance of a 4080 does not seem impossible to me for the PS6 but where there may be the biggest generational leap is for RT and ML but it is currently impossible to know what UDNA improvements will bring like the partnership between Sony and AMD.

 

[twilo99]

I can never understand this question.

Total system performance is more important than GPU performance, so why care about the GPU alone?

 

[StereoVsn]

Why’s that? It will be on a new process in 4 years, plus Cerny already talked about the future roadmap of features they are prioritizing, it’s all AI and RT

In 4 years we will have much more powerful NVIDIA cards too, that’s just the nature of things

Isn’t current Pro around 4070 level? You can probably expect 30-50% increase from that so somewhere between 4080 Super and 4090 for PS6.

It’s unlikely to be much more unless Sony is crazy and is planning a $700-800 base system.

 

[SweetTooth]

Haven't you moved to PC? Let consoles go man

 

[yurinka]

Some say the PS5 pro falls a little below the rtx 4070 in terms of graphics power with much less capable up-scaling.. The PS6 is probably at least a few years away so 2028 would be the earliest I expect to see this thing. Technology evolves ever so quickly and now we are seeing a change on how developers and hardware makers are designing games.

Hardware is hitting a brick wall when factoring in cost, size, power restrictions, useability, etc. The new way of making games look better and on a larger scale while keeping high frame rates and affordable is through software and up-scaling. Nintendo with it's Switch 2 maybe the first console to show that Up-scaling software >>> Raw graphics processing power. Of course it is always better to have more power but cost is always a factor especially with a console. IS it possible we do not see a huge power upgrade with the PS6 and instead it's a minor hardware upgrade with software being the main upgrade or Do you expect an absolute beast of a system up there with the 4080's and 4090's?

Sony is designing custom stuff for it, as did for let's say PS5 Pro. There won't be equivalent, in the same way that there is no equivalent for the PS5 Pro GPU.

 

[lh032]

probably around 5070? i mean few more years nvidia and AMD is going to release a next gen card anyway.

 

[SABRE220]

Hoping it's around a 4090. This generation will last a while so Sony can hold off on launching until 2029/30. It wouldn't really make sense launching until there can be a generational difference. The ps5 has barely released any showcase titles and pssr is in its infancy and they can mature the tech through the gen. Really wish they could go with amd because ...amd has been unambiguous to say the least but maybe this time amd won't drop the ball.

 

[Soodanim]

Gamer79 I'm not answering the question until you fix the thread title

 

[CashPrizes]

My guess is a 4070, hopefully closer to a 4080.
Anything less then a 4070 and I might just skip a Playstation generation for the first time ever.

 

[Thebonehead]

Design and feature sets will already be locked in at this stage.

Going back to the original question.

It will be similar to three voodoo 2's sellotaped together

 

[CLW]

At least 10 7090s

 

[Rocinante618]

Depends on the competition so if Xbox is out of hardware, oh boy, PS fans are in for a rude shock.

 

[amigastar]

Geforce 256

 

[Hohenheim]

Probably a little below a 5090

Seems like Sony is focusing on the things NVIDIA is currently prioritizing. Frame-gen, AI, RT with raster not being as big of a priority

There's no way that PS6 will be close to a rtx 5090.

 

[ArtHands]

Who cares it's not a pc it's a dedicated gaming console it can have a GPU "similar" to a "4090" whatever graphics you see on it from naughty gods, insomniac, or Sony Santa Monica will put anything else on the market to shame no advanced path ray traced shadows will matter lol

That’s ironic, considering they are usually one of the first to utilize every bleeding PC techs to improve their games beyond the console versions

In fact Sony Santa Monica’s God of War Ragnarok will be one of the first games to launch with DLSS4

 

[Ironman_Bad]

That’s ironic, considering they are usually one of the first to utilize every bleeding PC techs to improve their games beyond the console versions

In fact Sony Santa Monica’s God of War Ragnarok will be one of the first games to launch with DLSS4

Thats great but when the new versions or whatever they are cooking launches exclusively on ps6 in 2028 or whenever it will be a benchmark graphically no matter what the GPU is "comparable" too

 

[Cakeboxer]

I think they have to start developing that thing soon or they already started. My guess is something around 5070-5070 Ti.

 

[Elios83]

Hard to tell at this point.
But the exciting part is that Sony will actively co-design stuff with AMD next time and they won't just choose blocks from a catalogue.
Cerny already gave hints that AI and ray tracing/path tracing will be a big focus.

 

[GymWolf]

Probably some shitty, old gpu to not make people cry because they have to spend more than 500 dollars for something with a life span of 5-8 years.

But hey, now they have pisser so who need a powerfull system when you can upscale the hell out of games.

 

[neocycle]

a $700 PS6

 

[bitbydeath]

It’ll be something we can’t even conceive because Sony never do straight off the shelf hardware.

 

[Radical_3d]

The 5090 has a TDP of 575 watts on 4nm. The PS6 will likely be on 3nm. The maths don’t maths.

3nm in 2028 would be Sony being very cheap, isn’t it?

 

[NahaNago]

This is way too early to tell and we don't know if Sony is going to go back down in price to 499 or stay at the 699 for the ps6. I think the price should go up so that they can at least match performance with whatever nvidia rtx ?080 at the time.

 

[Sakura]

Probably around a 4080. Though maybe improvements in the way of better RT tech and stuff.
The PS5 was only a bit over 2x the PS4 Pro. And with technological advancements slowing, looking at how the gap between the PS5 Pro and PS5 is smaller than the PS4 Pro vs PS4, I expect a relatively smaller leap from PS5 Pro to PS6.
Though at that point you could probably have cross gen games the entire PS6 gen.

 

[SkylineRKR]

I hope Sony doesn't go for a 499 device honestly. With less cost you do get lesser hardware, see PS4. And 499 in 2027 or whatever is equivalent to approx 299-399 in 2019. It would probably mean it would have a relatively mundane architecture if they don't want to eat a loss.

I wouldn't mind paying a bit more for a true next-gen system, its a one time purchase. PS5 Pro is a bit of an oddball, its a mid gen upgrade i am not interested in. But for a PS6 i wouldn't mind paying 699 if it has the specs to match.