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[Bobby Roberts]

The job seems too big for Goddard who has just a single directing credit under his belt. Brad Anderson does TV work to pay the bills. A lot of 'art house' directors do this. A gig is a gig as they say.

Anderson is seen as an art house guy and I doubt he'd want the job never mind the studio not giving him it.

Jack Bender is a TV guy through and through. Paramount would take him because he'd tow the party line and be cheap. Kurtzman is a writer/producer and has never tackled a film of this size before especially when his directorial debut did nothing at the box office.

Oh, I get the arguments as to why they might not choose those people, but it's still a Bad Robot production, and Bad Robot might decide to keep it in-family. If that's the case - those names seem like decent suggestions so far as uninformed internet speculation goes

But also keep in mind that whatever Part 3 is, it's probably a) going to cost less and b) going to have more input from Paramount considering the raw deal Abrams gave them all throughout this sequels production, as I outlined above. And if you're going to cut the budget (I can't imagine they won't) and exercise more control, getting a director from the Bad Robot camp that doesn't have enough weight to jerk them around in the way JJ jerked them around seems plausible.

Total nitpicky aside: It's toe the line, not tow the line

 

[Weenerz]

FF6 to be #1 next week!

 

[Bobby Roberts]

but how much? Does Fast 6 open over 100 mil?

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

but how much? Does Fast 6 open over 100 mil?

Maybe. 5 really revived the series and opened at 86 mil.

 

[Weenerz]

but how much? Does Fast 6 open over 100 mil?

According to Google, Fast Five made around $86 million opening weekend, I would hope that FF6 would hit $100

 

[mattiewheels]

Both of these are key.

In my showing, there was no perceptible surprise or reactions to the reveal. It meant nothing to them.

And waiting four years for a follow-up to ST 09 was really damaging; STID almost had to serve as reboot all over again in regaining ST's place in the public's consciousness.

Is the surprise that

Spoiler

Kahn is in it?

If that's not it, then forget I asked, ha.

 

[kswiston]

According to Google, Fast Five made around $86 million opening weekend, I would hope that FF6 would hit $100

Next weekend is really crowded. 4, maybe 5 films will be over $20M for the 3-Day weekend. I can see that cutting into Fast Five's upper end. Doesn't help that the Hangover 3 will have a lot of audience overlap.

 

[Busty]

Next weekend is really crowded. 4, maybe 5 films will be over $20M for the 3-Day weekend. I can see that cutting into Fast Five's upper end. Doesn't help that the Hangover 3 will have a lot of audience overlap.

Though I'd put cash on FF6 beating Hangover 3 in a head to head it's going to be fascinating to see if both films can emerge winners over the weekend in terms of cash made.

I suspect that both films will be hits (with audiences simply checking out the other film on a subsequent weekend) but they may cannibalize the other films in the top 5 to do it.

In saying that I think that out of Gatsby, IM3 and STiD Gatsby could emerge the 'winner' (in terms of percentage dropped) by claiming more of the female audience even if it will start loosing 3d screens.

Total nitpicky aside: It's toe the line, not tow the line

Ah. You're absolutely correct. I didn't notice that. Thanks for correcting me.

 

[Alrus]

Will Hangover 3 really be such a big competition to Fast 6? I thought people were generally disappointed with Part 2...

 

[Cheebo]

Waiting 4 years was really stupid. They needed to act on the the built up hype of the first one. I mean marvel films wouldn't have become this massive if they waited 4 years between every film. You have to act fast.

Even with a film as massive as TDK it felt like a lot of the hype (from regular people not fanboys on the internet) was lost due to the big 4 year gap between TDK and TDKR.

You lose a lot of the goodwill and attention when you wait that long.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Waiting 4 years was really stupid. They needed to act on the the built up hype of the first one. I mean marvel films wouldn't have become this massive if they waited 4 years between every film. You have to act fast.

Even with a film as massive as TDK it felt like a lot of the hype (from regular people not fanboys on the internet) was lost due to the big 4 year gap between TDK and TDKR.

You lose a lot of the goodwill and attention when you wait that long.

If anything, the 4 years should have made it more anticipated

 

[Instro]

They can't be happy with that performance for Star Trek.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Yeah, I don't blame the movie's performance in the 4 year gap. Many movies had long gaps in between sequels and were quite successful. 3 years between BB and TDK and 4 years between TDK and TDKR. If anything I thought it was going to be a bigger hit. I thought the first movie's popularity had grown through the years with help of the internet.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Yeah, I don't blame the movie's performance in the 4 year gap. Many movies had long gaps in between sequels and were quite successful. 3 years between BB and TDK and 4 years between TDK and TDKR.

Star Trek wasn't a success on the level of Dark Knight though.

The comparison to Batman Begins is apt, I think (I know it's been used previously) as Batman Begins was the means to reinvent what "Batman" meant after it was exhausted/run into irrelevance by the Schumacher movies. Star Trek was doing the same thing, but with a much longer, more ingrained cultural stigma to fight against.

Would The Dark Knight have been helped or hindered if it came out in 2009? I'd argue that it probably would have hurt it a little. Not a LOT (Dark Knight's marketing was fucking brilliant, and it had the Joker, and didn't try to hide that, either) but it would have probably stunted the anticipation a little. There's a sweet spot to hit when it comes to capitalizing on word of mouth/audience goodwill, and I think 3 years is the outside edge of that. Four years is probably missing the target by a little bit.

I don't think the wait was the primary problem, but I definitely think it didn't help.

 

[Cheebo]

Honestly a slightly lower budget for trek 3 won't hurt. Although smaller probably means Trek 2's 190 million is probably just going to be "only" be 140-150 for Trek 3.

 

[Dram]

Did Abrams have control over the marketing for the movie?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I'm pretty sure he was steering its direction, although I could be wrong. I read an article at BadassDigest a couple weeks ago that stated Paramount exects wanted to reveal the "secret" at the center of the marketing during the March Madness ad blitz as a means to counter the flagging interest.

 

[kswiston]

Though I'd put cash on FF6 beating Hangover 3 in a head to head it's going to be fascinating to see if both films can emerge winners over the weekend in terms of cash made.

I suspect that both films will be hits (with audiences simply checking out the other film on a subsequent weekend) but they may cannibalize the other films in the top 5 to do it.

In saying that I think that out of Gatsby, IM3 and STiD Gatsby could emerge the 'winner' (in terms of percentage dropped) by claiming more of the female audience even if it will start loosing 3d screens.

I think Fast 6 will take the weekend as well. I just wonder if the amount of choices available that weekend will keep it from hitting $100M in 3-Days. I can't see it being under $100M over the 4-day weekend, so if it misses $100M during the weekend proper, I doubt it will be by much.

That said, we have never had a memorial Day weekend with the box office potential that this coming weekend has. The Memorial Day weekend cumulative record is going to be crushed.

 

[Kusagari]

If anything, the 4 years should have made it more anticipated

Star Trek was not THAT loved. It's not like it was The Dark Knight or even an Iron Man. It was a movie that audiences liked but I doubt it stuck with most people.

 

[Blader]

I'm pretty sure he was steering its direction, although I could be wrong. I read an article at BadassDigest a couple weeks ago that stated Paramount exects wanted to reveal the "secret" at the center of the marketing during the March Madness ad blitz as a means to counter the flagging interest.

I have to wonder what the point was of keeping Cumberbatch's character a secret in the first place. I get that JJ is personally paranoid about spoilers and trying to keep things as much of a surprise as possible, but how does knowing

Spoiler

the name Khan

at all spoil things? Maybe it sets up some preconceived notions that Trek fans would have, but if the point of the reboot is to reach out to a broader, non-Trek audience -- who have no idea who

Spoiler

Khan

is anyway -- then I don't really see the point of staying so tight-lipped about it.

 

[Error]

Is there any reason why ST2009 performed so... underwhelming, to say the least, internationally? Lack of marketing?

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Is there any reason why ST2009 performed so... underwhelming, to say the least, internationally? Lack of marketing?

ST was never big internationally, I guess that was a big part of that. The series was really worn out at that point too. I thought it did well actually.

Star Trek has never been Star Wars anyways.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Matt Reeves, Drew Goddard, Brad Anderson, Jack Bender, and Alex Kurtzmann are all possibilities.

Brad Anderson please.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

Hopefully someone who actually understands Star Trek.

Nah, doesn't need that. I only saw Star Trek because it was directed by Abrams. Star Trek has long been a universe for nerds. JJ Abrams made it cool. Hopefully whoever takes the series over won't nerd it up. Because I for one won't see it if it's like those god awful original films/tv show.

 

[Wafflecakes]

The Croods
WW Gross: $538,840,628

Brave
WW Gross: $538,788,207

Really happy for The Croods success. Hope Dreakworks other upcoming films perform at similar levels.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Nah, doesn't need that. I only saw Star Trek because it was directed by Abrams. Star Trek has long been a universe for nerds. JJ Abrams made it cool. Hopefully whoever takes the series over won't nerd it up. Because I for one won't see it if it's like those god awful original films/tv show.

Agreed.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

Will Hangover 3 really be such a big competition to Fast 6? I thought people were generally disappointed with Part 2...

Hangover 3 will probably bomb. The sequel was awful. I still haven't made it through a complete viewing. And the previews for the third film have not made it look funny at all. Hell, the trailer for The Intern got more laughs in the theater than the Hangover 3 so that should tell you something.

 

[Ridley327]

I'm pretty sure he was steering its direction, although I could be wrong. I read an article at BadassDigest a couple weeks ago that stated Paramount exects wanted to reveal the "secret" at the center of the marketing during the March Madness ad blitz as a means to counter the flagging interest.

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case; they were also quite secretive about what the monster looked like in both Cloverfield and Super 8, which didn't really matter all that much in the end (and in the case of Super 8, it was basically the Cloverfield monster again!). Abrams has a weird idea of what to keep secret, especially now that I've seen Into Darkness and there's a lot more in those trailers from the second half than I would have cared to have seen.

As someone mentioned in the last weekend BO thread, Iron Man 3 had the right idea with how to govern a campaign based on a top-secret plot: don't even allude to it.

 

[Akahige]

3:30 showing of STID was absolutely packed

 

[Konka]

Hangover 3 will probably bomb. The sequel was awful. I still haven't made it through a complete viewing. And the previews for the third film have not made it look funny at all. Hell, the trailer for The Intern got more laughs in the theater than the Hangover 3 so that should tell you something.

I'll save this post.

 

[bigtroyjon]

Hangover releases on Thursday which will hurt it's chances of winning the actual weekend.

 

[Alrus]

I'll save this post.

It won't bomb but I honestly doubt it'll reach its predecessors level of success.

 

[mjc]

I'd honestly love Drew Goddard getting a crack at ST3.

 

[Branduil]

Nah, doesn't need that. I only saw Star Trek because it was directed by Abrams. Star Trek has long been a universe for nerds. JJ Abrams made it cool. Hopefully whoever takes the series over won't nerd it up. Because I for one won't see it if it's like those god awful original films/tv show.

You're on a forum for video games.

 

[Currygan]

If anything, the 4 years should have made it more anticipated

yes and no, I guess, since the interest peaked in early 2012 when Benny Cumberbatch was announced as the main villain and everyone went crazy...they shoulda released the movie last summer, the anticipation was there

 

[Dram]

Will this effect the chances of a new star trek show being made?

 

[Tookay]

Nah, doesn't need that. I only saw Star Trek because it was directed by Abrams. Star Trek has long been a universe for nerds. JJ Abrams made it cool. Hopefully whoever takes the series over won't nerd it up. Because I for one won't see it if it's like those god awful original films/tv show.

Cool now I know who to blame.

 

[Subitai]

You're on a forum for video games.

And yet...

Tough for the word of mouth to work with F&F6 coming out. It won't get a 2nd week on top like IM3 got.


Anyway, when I saw IM3 they didn't show the MoS trailer #3, but they did before STID.

 

[WillyFive]

Knowing Paramount it will be someone who is a painfully dull, safe pair of hands rather than taking a chance on someone 'exciting'.

To be fair, they gave Star Trek to JJ Abrams and Mission Impossible to Brad Bird, so it's not like they're known for doing that.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Hangover III did $11m on Thursday, compared to $31.6m that Part II did on its opening day. Also a Thursday.

Furious 6 did $6.5 million from the late night shows, compared to Fast Five's $3.8. Fast Five opened in April though, but had zero real competition that weekend.

Curious to see how high Furious 6 can go and how far Hangover can fall.

 

[Alrus]

Yep, as predicted, Hangover III will see a massive decline. (well at least at the domestic box office, I'm sure overseas territories will eat it up as always).

Fast 6 is going to be massive.

 

[Currygan]

my Italian friend tells me F&F6 opened Wednesday and 200k people went to see it, raking in 1.2 million euros. That's pretty damn impressive for a first day opening in Italy

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Fast Five did bonkers money overseas. I wonder how much bigger this one will be.

 

[Kusagari]

Fast Six is making a billi worldwide.

 

[3N16MA]

News coming from Boxoffice.com says FF6 set the highest opening day totals of 2013 in Germany, France, Portugal, and Austria. It already opened only 10% less than IM3 in the UK. Hangover III bombing as of right now which means WOM could be getting out or audiences are just tired of the franchise after part II.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Fast Six is making a billi worldwide.

I was thinking it would break $800m easy, but who knows. Billion might be in the cards. I am curious to see how it does this weekend. And the only real competition next week is After Earth.

 

[JdFoX187]

I was thinking it would break $800m easy, but who knows. Billion might be in the cards. I am curious to see how it does this weekend. And the only real competition next week is After Earth.

After Earth is an enigma. Will Smith is still a huge draw, especially overseas. Jaden Smith seems to be fairly popular, judging by the gross of The Karate Kid. But it's M. Night Shyamalan and the marketing hasn't been that great. I'll be there for Gary Whitta, but I don't think it's going to be very successful. Then again, it's pretty free and clear until Man of Steel, so it might have decent legs.

 

[netguy503]

After Earth is an enigma. Will Smith is still a huge draw, especially overseas. Jaden Smith seems to be fairly popular, judging by the gross of The Karate Kid. But it's M. Night Shyamalan and the marketing hasn't been that great. I'll be there for Gary Whitta, but I don't think it's going to be very successful. Then again, it's pretty free and clear until Man of Steel, so it might have decent legs.

wait, thats a M.Night movie? Have they just took his name out from promotion of that movie? I haven't seen his name mentioned at all and this is my first time hearing about this.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Yeah, after the reports of audiences everywhere breaking out into groans or laughter at the "Devil" trailer, hiding Shyamalan's name seemed a foregone conclusion.

I forget which review I read, but someone pointed out that essentially, Fast & Furious series basically paralleled the Avengers/Marvel movies without anyone really noticing, with Fast Five essentially being the AVENGERS, where all the previous movies/characters/tones all came together in one big, ridiculous, candy-coated spectacle.

 

[netguy503]

Yeah, after the reports of audiences everywhere breaking out into groans or laughter at the "Devil" trailer, hiding Shyamalan's name seemed a foregone conclusion.

I forget which review I read, but someone pointed out that essentially, Fast & Furious series basically paralleled the Avengers/Marvel movies without anyone really noticing, with Fast Five essentially being the AVENGERS, where all the previous movies/characters/tones all came together in one big, ridiculous, candy-coated spectacle.

I dunno, can't a director sue them for them not using his name in their promotional material? It just doesn't seem right. I'd be pretty pissed off.