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Xbox rolls out 4K dashboard to insiders (coming soon for everyone else then...)
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cormack12
Gold Member
The aliasing really fucks me off on the curve animations. Feels like I'm in GTA Online.
Razvedka
Banned
So... Speaking as a non-game dev but as a software engineer, is there a meaningful performance issue here? Because provided they're using something like HTML, CSS and some kind of modern UI framework (React, Vue, etc) I don't see how 1080 vs 4k matters at least in terms of things like asset size.
If everything isn't an ultra hd static asset (e.g. .png, .jpg) vs HTML or SVGs then it should be small and fast. I can't imagine it takes up an appreciable amount of memory to go to 4k, unless there's other stuff on the dash that must be bigger beyond the UI elements.
So I'd guess it's down to GPU just pushing more pixels right? For the output? Only sort of tuning I can think of, past mystery assets I cannot account for.
Someone with more game dev or embedded systems dev can correct me.
If everything isn't an ultra hd static asset (e.g. .png, .jpg) vs HTML or SVGs then it should be small and fast. I can't imagine it takes up an appreciable amount of memory to go to 4k, unless there's other stuff on the dash that must be bigger beyond the UI elements.
So I'd guess it's down to GPU just pushing more pixels right? For the output? Only sort of tuning I can think of, past mystery assets I cannot account for.
Someone with more game dev or embedded systems dev can correct me.
Hitchyhero
Banned
This
NotCentered
Neo Member
this is 1000 times more important than the 4k dashboard (i couldn't care less about this to be honest). Hope they will do it after.
The other good news also 1000 times more important than 4k dashboard is that they finally added the auto mute TV when you have a headset connected (currently only for alpha and alpha skip ahead)
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Tfw outsider
Also give HDR
Also give HDR
NotCentered
Neo Member
Doesn't have anything to do with resolution, your TV goes black because of the HDR to SDR switch (and I'm pretty sure that the output for the dash is 4K anyway, even if the real resolution is/was 1080p)
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khakimzhan
Member
I simply do not understand this need to have Dashboard in HDR. You can watch Vincent’s videos, he puts AppleTV’s dashboard to SDR, even though you can default it to DolbyVision. It is not good for OLED screens to have so much static images in HDR
nothing wrong with having screen going black for 2-3 seconds
nothing wrong with having screen going black for 2-3 seconds
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Little Mac
Gold Member
What about Series S owners?
xiseerht
Member
Yeah , that is true. It is the HDR turning on and off. I always forget about that.
Not meant for 4K screens. Only so much system dedicated RAM on these machines to support the higher resolution shell, which I presume Series S doesn't have capacity for.
are you in an insider ring?
Kacho
Gold Member
You probably have to wait for the refresh model
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
We already have a thread about this......from months ago.
Are we gonna make a new one for every ring that gets included?
www.neogaf.com
Are we gonna make a new one for every ring that gets included?
HiRes UI on Xbox Series X coming to Xbox Insiders Alpha/SkipAhead users
Will be interesting to hear if they say what they did to get this in place? If they optimized RAM usage elsewhere or if there is some form of upscaling that doesn't use extra resources. The reasoning on the non-4K UI was that they reserved the RAM for game usage.
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Andodalf
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We already have a thread about this......from months ago.
Are we gonna make a new one for every ring that gets included?
HiRes UI on Xbox Series X coming to Xbox Insiders Alpha/SkipAhead users
Will be interesting to hear if they say what they did to get this in place? If they optimized RAM usage elsewhere or if there is some form of upscaling that doesn't use extra resources. The reasoning on the non-4K UI was that they reserved the RAM for game usage.
Pretty sure the point of the post is that this now includes all rings
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Modern OLED TVs go dark if you don't do anything on them for a minute or two. Burn-in really isn't an issue anymore.
NotCentered
Neo Member
you spend a minimal time on a console dashboard, so that's not really an accurate comparison (and anyway the xbox has a screensaver to avoid this kind of problem)
LOLCats
Banned
This is correct. Disable hdr, no more black screen when switching to an hdr game
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DaleinCalgary
Member
Yay we made it to 2016!
TaiLopezFan
Member
It’s not 4k.
Microsoft is literally calling it 4K...It’s not 4k.
Andodalf
Banned
It’s not 4k.
I know this is really, really hard, but I want you to try and read the full sentence.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
It’s not 4k.
Those images are decided by the developers.
If they dont upload a 4K image whatever resolution they upload for the cover art is what the cover art will be they could upload a 10K image if they wanted and the tile will be 10K resolution.
Some devs are just "lazy" and dont upload super duper resolution cover art for their games.
The dashboard itself is however 4K in this update.
NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
Yeah same
Andodalf
Banned
Or they uploaded the picture for the game in like 2015 and there was no reason to submit anything beyond the max res the console would show!
I mean that was (and is) the case. They just got some time and put in the effort to optimize everything to fit within the fixed system resource budget. A lot of these improvements come from the dev exploration time which lets them work on their own interests once a week or so, so progress is slow but appreciated.
Windle Poons
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Dammit I had to come out of the preview due to to many system issues (not slagging anything off) but wouldn’t mind seeing this now.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I'm all for it as long as the 4k push doesn't make the dashboard slower.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Totally likely.
At time of cert alot of games likely didnt bother uploading 4K+ thumbnails so the thumbnails might look lower resolution for some titles.
Join the lowest tier.
Those updates are basically weeks if not days away from hitting genpop.
BigLee74
Member
Whatever they did, it will not be using any more resources than was allocated to the system previously. Nothing but a win (for those who will notice).
ripeavocado
Banned
About time, a shame it was not shipped with Series X.
Now so Steam Big Picture pls.
Now so Steam Big Picture pls.
Kacho
Gold Member
I’m honestly just glad it’s here so people can shut the fuck up about it