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Xbox Series X/S consoles continue to sell at a record pace, Microsoft has claimed
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kingfey
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The most impressive thig, is the low production, due to covid. That is still huge.
I magine, if there was no covid.
Mr Moose
Member
Please explain how you get an extra 4 million shipped compared to him.
kingfey
Banned
last know number were 8.3m in ocober 2021, according to zhuge.
sorry if that tweet is zhuge. cant see twitter post here, due to work.
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Do you know who that guy is? He wouldn’t be quoting those numbers if they were dubious.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
oldergamer
Member
That's incorrect on the newer system
Current Xbox consoles are available in 42 countries: https://www.xbox.com/en-CA/regions
Xbox 360 launched 36 countries like you mentioned.
Note this is in more countries then sony launched PS5.
Then Phil as a senior member of the MS team lied ? That doesn't have any risk, right?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Feel free to point out the lie.
kingfey
Banned
Zhuge numbers match what Phil said.
Mr Moose
Member
PS4 >1M in 24 hours, Xbox One 909k in 9 days.
Larry "but if we average it per day... We win!"
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What numbers did he give?
And if people seriously believe Xbox sold 16M then PS5 is already passed 20M then.
And will all know that can’t be true as of now.
SportsFan581
Member
Talking about X1 I presume. X1s and X1x went MIA when the Covid boom happened, MS was not prepared for that.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
@recursive Xbox One sold 55m units with a pretty shit first party. You think 80m is out of the realm of possibility when they’ve gone from 5 first party studios to 25, including Bathesda?
First, in this hostile environment I feel I need to stress that I've owned every Xbox console and if I wasn't trying to reduce my gaming time, I'd absolutely already have a series S (an X is impossible to get at the moment)
I actually don't think they'll get 360 numbers. The reason why is because all their first party titles release on PC, either via Gamepass or Steam. There are probably many customers who won't see the point of getting an Xbox console if they can get the same games on PC.
Microsoft don't care about console sales. They're in the business to sell software and services. If one customer doesn't buy an Xbox console, but signs up to Gamepass for PC or buys the games via Steam then that's good for Microsoft. AFIK, they've always made a loss on consoles anyway.
mejin
Member
Just be aware that we have sell in (from MS to retailers) and sell through (to the customers).
What MS "reveals" is the first one which we know as "shipped numbers".
Bernd Lauert
Banned
It's a weird spin, not a lie. He's technically correct by his own, admittedly weird, metric.
SportsFan581
Member
Your numbers are off. X1 actually beat PS4 in the first 24hrs globaly.
Xbox One is Biggest Launch in Xbox History: More Than One Million Consoles Sold in less than 24 hours - Xbox Wire
Xbox One, Launch, Momentum, Consoles, Microsoft
news.xbox.com
And more than 2m in 18 days.
Xbox One Sells More Than 2 Million Units in the First 18 days; Sold Out at Most Major Retailers - Xbox Wire
Xbox One, Sales, Xbox One Sales, Xbox, Xbox Sales, Xbox Sales Numbers, How Many Xbox Ones Sold, Microsoft
news.xbox.com
I think you may have been confusing the NPD (US only numbers) with global launch numbers for X1 and PS4.
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I didn't say that they sold 16M, I am just saying that we should take 10.4M as the base number that they have sold/shipped based on his comments that it's faster than any previous Xbox console.
Mr Moose
Member
That's worldwide, PS4 didn't launch worldwide, it did >1M in NA in 24 hours.Your numbers are off. X1 actually beat PS4 in the first 24hrs.
Xbox One is Biggest Launch in Xbox History: More Than One Million Consoles Sold in less than 24 hours - Xbox Wire
Xbox One, Launch, Momentum, Consoles, Microsoft
Sosokrates
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Oh sorry i missed 2 countries
Still the difference of 6 countries is not going to make a huge difference.
And they reveal neither these day’s except PR statements.
SportsFan581
Member
You just have to use the global numbers available. If MS had committed all their units to NA the results would have been the same, seeing that they sold out NA supply in the first month.
Iced Arcade
Member
New acct huhNot the whole truth.
If you mean that they sell everything they can make, like before it hits the stores globally, that is only true for PS5, never heard anybody seeing them on stores yet.
Series S have been available since the launch on many countries, and series x have also been seen on stores around the world (not USA I guess) rarely. I saw 3-4 units on few different cities few weeks or months after the launch.
Series X have been now available on some stores on some countries, like here at Finland Series x became avaiable few days before xmas on the biggest electronic chain, and have been available since on majority of their stores. So, it didnt sell out even just before xmas.
That is how I got mine, just walked in and asked to get one. So, they have been available for 3 weeks now, and they eventually will sell them, but demand seems to be lower than supply now. (here)
And I dont mean not by all means that series consoles arent selling better than xbone, but just pointing out that it is not factually true that they sell everything they make, if that means that they would be sold out globally.
But compared to gens before, yes this is weird situation as it is the first time I remember since 80's that any console is sold out for more than 1-2 months (PS5) and that even xbox have been difficult to get (XSX), because traditionally only playstations sell out here.
I have never bought xbox as new, had OG+360 used but didnt play much.
So xbox have done things better than before, as I would not have even considered to get one before.
And the first time I feel like they are like brothers that can fulfill each other, instead of being like in the movie Twins where one brother is small and weak, and one have every interesting feature
Not everyone live in US/canada, and yes, series S have been widerly available on many EU countries at least + also on (10-15%) discount.
And I dont mean that "I saw one here and then", I mean "walk into a store and buy them almost any day of the week". Now Series S isnt that easy to find vs. before xmas. But both systems s/x are still available on big part of the country.
Yes, USA is the main market, but it gets old when some people talk like there isn't hundreds of countries.
Welcome back Daniel lol
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Mr Moose
Member
Tweet says NPD/NA.
I have no idea what the PS4 sold when it launched WW on the 29th (NA was the 15th, I believe).
We're going off-topic anyway.
kingfey
Banned
You cant make a console player a pc gamer. No matter how much you try, you just can't.
There are games, people want to play on console exclusively.
Console and pc have different purposes. A couch, vs sitting on a chair. Unless you can handle sitting down on a chair, after work, you wont like pc gaming.
I am a pc gamer, and these days, I prefer to play on consoles. Much easier, and don't have to kill my legs or my back. Work killed my legs, and I don't want my pc gaming to kill me.
Still, I won't play shooter games on consoles. That would be over my dead body. I can't handle playing shooter games on consoles.
kingfey
Banned
That would be spicy for this sub.
I am waiting to see the new gamepass numbers. Last known numbers in 2021 was 18m.
SportsFan581
Member
True, true. Water under the bridge, and we all know what happened to X1 demand a few months after launch anyway. LOL
It's possible that xbox hw revenue is flatter than people think depending on the series s % but yeah, I am interested to see what software+services does.
kingfey
Banned
Xbox on Japan is 100k as of now.Not the whole truth.
If you mean that they sell everything they can make, like before it hits the stores globally, that is only true for PS5, never heard anybody seeing them on stores yet.
Series S have been available since the launch on many countries, and series x have also been seen on stores around the world (not USA I guess) rarely. I saw 3-4 units on few different cities few weeks or months after the launch.
Series X have been now available on some stores on some countries, like here at Finland Series x became avaiable few days before xmas on the biggest electronic chain, and have been available since on majority of their stores. So, it didnt sell out even just before xmas.
That is how I got mine, just walked in and asked to get one. So, they have been available for 3 weeks now, and they eventually will sell them, but demand seems to be lower than supply now. (here)
And I dont mean not by all means that series consoles arent selling better than xbone, but just pointing out that it is not factually true that they sell everything they make, if that means that they would be sold out globally.
But compared to gens before, yes this is weird situation as it is the first time I remember since 80's that any console is sold out for more than 1-2 months (PS5) and that even xbox have been difficult to get (XSX), because traditionally only playstations sell out here.
I have never bought xbox as new, had OG+360 used but didnt play much.
So xbox have done things better than before, as I would not have even considered to get one before.
And the first time I feel like they are like brothers that can fulfill each other, instead of being like in the movie Twins where one brother is small and weak, and one have every interesting feature
Not everyone live in US/canada, and yes, series S have been widerly available on many EU countries at least + also on (10-15%) discount.
And I dont mean that "I saw one here and then", I mean "walk into a store and buy them almost any day of the week". Now Series S isnt that easy to find vs. before xmas. But both systems s/x are still available on big part of the country.
Yes, USA is the main market, but it gets old when some people talk like there isn't hundreds of countries.
Not everyone will be fan of xbox, after the xbox one fiasco. Still, that doesn't mean it won't sell anything on other countries.
There are places, where Playstation doesn't exist, and only xbox is big. Same thing, where Playstation is big, and Xbox doesn't exist.
USA is where the strongest holder for xbox is. They want to gain control of that, due to $$$ power currency, and US products spread faster to other countries.
Lognor
Banned
I definitely think you have a point. There are a lot of people that will just play those games on PC. But I think you can say the same thing about the PS4 not reaching PS4 numbers. A lot more Sony games are going to be releasing on PC so why buy a PS5? Only Nintendo has held back on doing PC releases and that is why they are continuing to do monster numbers and are the market leader in their space.
Consoles are becoming less and less important for gamers. PC gaming is only being held back by the relatively high prices of components. Once that gets sorted we should see an even larger influx of new PC gamers.
kingfey
Banned
xss is their arrow up. Without that console, I dont see them hitting 10m in the 1st year, after xbox one.
We get fairly credible estimates every generation. If not from the manufacturer, you’d get from 3rd party informed estimates.
You are not owed this figure from Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo.
Same here, chief. Same here.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I suppose the difference on PS5 is that it's currently only older titles releasing on PC, although this might change in the future.
I agree that consoles are a dying breed. First, as you correctly pointed out reduction of PC prices will push more people to PC, and then you have streaming. Why pay for a console for a three figure sum and then the games when you can just pay one monthly subscription and stream whatever game you want to your phone, TV, tablet, fridge, laptop or basically anything with a screen.
No point getting excited over the number of consoles sold when the future is subscription/streaming.
Lognor
Banned
Exactly. I'm not saying Sony games being on PC will have the same effect as Microsoft games, for the very reason you pointed out. They're not day one and as of yet it's not every game. Sony is being selective. But still, all things being equal, you have to imagine that Sony making that decision will cause them to lose sales of their PS5.
I know some people hate the subscription model, but for me it's great (not perfect). I do typically buy physical on my Switch and resell those games once I'm finished with them, so I lose out on resell with Game Pass, but I'm not hard pressed for money so no big deal. And I do think Sony will be releasing more and more games on PC, maybe not day one, but it'll be a bigger part of their strategy going forward. It almost seems like MS has been a step ahead of Sony with PC releases and (maybe) more focus on subscription services.
But great to see the Xbox Series doing well. But to your point, console sales are not the end all be all.
dcmk7
Banned
It has often been said around here.
In fact even you've said it.
Darius87
Member
Seems weird to brag about records but not release actual sales numbers now we have fan guessed estimates which could be off by millions bragging about sales for two different consoles presented as one sale figure doesn't break any records i didn't see any reason why ms should hide sales numbers unless... 
PR and lies lies lies lies
CeeJay
Member
In a vacuum this might be true but, there are mitigating circumstances that come into play in favour of console sales compared to the 360 era with all other things being equal for arguments sake.
1. The PC GPU market is ridiculous, has been for a while and looks set to be for the foreseeable future. Some people who would have otherwise upgraded or bought a PC will choose to move to console as the cost/performance ratio is way more attractive. Anyone looking to get a PC purely to play games on is going to be swayed to some degree towards console when they compare the price of entry.
2. The Series consoles are available in over 15% more regions/countries (42 compared to 36) than X360 making the potential market much larger than it was previously.
3. The state of Xbox Game Studios today is totally different to previous generations and it's not much of a stretch to suggest that there will be more system sellers on Xbox than previously, and because of reasons 1 and 2 it has potential to grow the share that Xbox has.
4. Having a budget SKU right from the start of the generation lowers the barrier to entry which encourages people who would normally buy a console later in the cycle to jump in earlier. Couple this with a Gamepass subscription and you have a more affordable proposition that can be transparently budgeted for long term. Console + (Gamepass multiplied by number of months) = lifetime cost
Xcloud game streaming has potential to impact the number of sales of console hardware as the generation moves forward, also the problems in the GPU market may return to something more normal towards the second half of the console generation so we may see a drop off in growth towards the end. Currently though I would say that the Series consoles have a very good chance of outpacing the 360 for quite some time with the potential to outpace it the entire generation.
Kiraly
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He was asked a fucking question in an interview lmao "bragging"Seems weird to brag about records but not release actual sales numbers now we have fan guessed estimates which could be off by millions bragging about sales for two different consoles presented as one sale figure doesn't break any records i didn't see any reason why ms should hide sales numbers unless...
PR and lies lies lies lies
This desperation that because Microsoft doesn't reveal numbers they must be hiding something is the last, and most hilarious, copium people still have left.
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Darius87
Member
So why then they didn't release accurate numbers individually for X and S what's the point off hidding it? no one does except MS.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
Console shortage is nuts.
M1chl
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X1 tho haven't launched worldwide, because here we got it after whole fucking year as a TIER 2 country. I remember on old GAF people made a lot of fun about this tier system.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The bolded isn't a justified reason to not care about console sales numbers though. People have made that argument in sales thread over the last 2 years. It's why they justify MS "not" releasing hard numbers for almost everything.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So then why did this happen before the Pandemic happened?
Microsoft will stop telling investors how many people use Xbox Live as growth of game service slows
Microsoft has new services that can provide gaming revenue on top of console sales.
www.cnbc.com
For the same reason, Sony doesn't give out PS Now numbers on a quarterly scheduled basis and Apple doesn't give out Apple TV subs counts. It's kinda a small deal to the parent company. Microsoft also are quite tight lipped about Surface devices.
Cause Xbox's % of MS operating income is probably ~1-3% , it's revenue % is 8%. PS is 35.7% OI and 29.5% Rev.
At least I learnt the Sony numbers for FY2020.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Xcloud and other streaming subscriptions will kill off consoles and PCs.
Why pay for additional and expensive hardware when you can stream any game you want to any device that has a screen?
Absolutely crazy to think that in the future people will be using physical hardware to play games like their stuck in the 20th century
Gavon West
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Not just Bethesda, but the lot of XGS studios. I mean, look at Undead Labs. Their building an entire studio dedicated to Unreal 5 and animations across the XGS family of studios. Undead Labs? Dont get me wrong I love State of Decay2. One of my most played games last year but, the last studio I thought out of all 23 studios getting such an upgrade would be Undead Labs. That says alot to me, personally.