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[ap_puff]

The way I see it the stun bar changes are a net positive for stun agents as right now you would almost always use a support or caesar over them except in specific teams like qingyi+zhu yuan, the increased stun meter means pseudo stun agents like caesar are much worse at getting to the dps window where before you could fudge it. So essentially it's more of an even choice between getting to stun faster/potentially getting back to back stun windows due to the stunner ulting on 2nd rotation, vs having a useful buff from your defense/support agent that's active all the time

 

[Pejo]

The way I see it the stun bar changes are a net positive for stun agents as right now you would almost always use a support or caesar over them except in specific teams like qingyi+zhu yuan, the increased stun meter means pseudo stun agents like caesar are much worse at getting to the dps window where before you could fudge it. So essentially it's more of an even choice between getting to stun faster/potentially getting back to back stun windows due to the stunner ulting on 2nd rotation, vs having a useful buff from your defense/support agent that's active all the time

Yea totally agree with this. Caesar made stunners kinda obsolete since she came out. Today was the first time I had heard about these changes, but they all sound good to me. I actually like using Anby, Qingyi, and Koleda, so this makes it not feel like a loss/waste of party slots when I use them anyways lol.

I'm probably not pulling for Lighter since I wanna guarantee Miyabi and I'm due to lose a 50/50 one of these times, but they really did a great job with his marketing materials. First HoYo male that wasn't mostly catered to the fujo audience in a while.





I'll make a final call after trying out his demo mode stuff when the update hits. I think I read that he fills the same niche as Koleda who I already have kinda built, so...

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Beat the 50/50 and got lighter in 4 multis, then got his w-engine in one; 15k left over.

rip and tear.

 

[Wonko_C]

Beat the 50/50 and got lighter in 4 multis, then got his w-engine in one; 15k left over.

rip and tear.

What region are you on? I'm in Americas and still have the Yanagi banner here. (Not for long)

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

europe

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Lighter is super cool and pretty strong, but right now assault procs are still too much for him to overcome, jane is still a good ~20 seconds faster in expert challenge, perhaps I need to build up lucy.
Will test in harder content later, but at the very least he'll do great in fire based content.

 

[ap_puff]

Lighter is super cool and pretty strong, but right now assault procs are still too much for him to overcome, jane is still a good ~20 seconds faster in expert challenge, perhaps I need to build up lucy.
Will test in harder content later, but at the very least he'll do great in fire based content.

What teams are you comparing?

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

What teams are you comparing?

nothing specific, because I'm just looking at individual performance, not support performance, just making sure their team up bonus is active.

 

[ap_puff]

nothing specific, because I'm just looking at individual performance, not support performance, just making sure their team up bonus is active.

Oh you're using Lighter as a DPS then

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Oh you're using Lighter as a DPS then

yes, but assault is too good, deletes mobs very quickly.
His daze performance is completely OD though, it's just stun city.

 

[ap_puff]

yes, but assault is too good, deletes mobs very quickly.
His daze performance is completely OD though, it's just stun city.

I mean that's to be expected lol

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

He works really well with seth, it's just too bad that locks you into using zhu yuan as your third to get the team up bonusses.

 

[ap_puff]

He works really well with seth, it's just too bad that locks you into using zhu yuan as your third to get the team up bonusses.

I'm assuming you're using seth to buff lighter.. but you could use anton, honestly if you were trying to use lighter as the main onfielder i'd use something like lighter rina corin or lighter nicole billy and just never use the attack characters except to dump EX during stuns

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

seth's also just works really nicely overall because of the free reverse quick assist he triggers after a parry, the amount of daze it builds up between the two of them is crazy.
maybe harumasa can save me, c'mon game awards

 

[ap_puff]

Miyabi combo routes, will be important if you're pulling for her c2 since it lets you get stacks by finishing her normal attack chain

 

[Pejo]

Miyabi combo routes, will be important if you're pulling for her c2 since it lets you get stacks by finishing her normal attack chain

Love that they're branching out a bit with the combos, but the game is designed around mash attack and none of this will matter in the face of """"optimal rotations"""" for best kill time. I've seen it a thousand times in HoYo games.

I would love to see just ONE of their game give score based on style points like DMC instead of being timer-based DPS checks. Just ONE.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Lighter with that hollow zero damage