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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain
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Reboot after 2020.
Inferno313
Banned
Christopher Nolan hired Snyder for Man of Steel.
He blew the house up on the way out.
Best news all day if true! Yay!
Glass Shark
Banned
Max Landis and RedLetterMedia are going to have a field day with this movie and I can't wait. WB/DC deserves every bit of criticism for their hubris.
TheFuzz
Member
It's not... But it's also not a disaster. There will be repercussions but the general public won't lose sleep if it's just "alright."
Well not only that, but they take different and sometimes unknown directors and keep them for further movies if the movie is a success like Whedon and the Russo Brothers.
AHA-Lambda
Member
I could partly believe this, we've been hearing rumours for months now that WB was worried about this film. Can see why now.
This was a hot mess, and a pretty entertaining one! Zack Snyder has never come close to making a Great Film, but I'm not sure there's any filmmaker operating in Hollywood more obsessed just that, and somehow the humanity of his project shines through the failure, even in lumbering, loud, violence fetishizing blockbusters. It doesn't really work as a traditional movie, but extending the aesthetics of a film trailer to full length, with operatic scenes living in isolation, there's something fascinating in the attempt. Especially with the religious mythological qualities Snyder has given to these characters. The best thing I can say about the movie is that it's not slick, and that counts for something in this superhero climate.
I think it will do really well financially, globally. And Gal Gadot has the best face in superhero fiction. Amazing power, warmth in her expression.
I think it will do really well financially, globally. And Gal Gadot has the best face in superhero fiction. Amazing power, warmth in her expression.
WB would be extremely disappointed with $130 opening weekend
130m is not a great opener for a movie like this (let alone with this movie's budget). The apathetic word of mouth could severely hurt this movie's legs.
Primethius
Banned
At least the universes being separate means that whatever the hell they decide to do with the Flash movie won't effect the Flash TV show.
It's truly for the best.
It's truly for the best.
BronsonLee
Member
It's a disaster if it has a high drop 2nd weekend from that
hydragonwarrior
Member
Doesn't rebooting the Superman universe eventually reboot the DCU universe as well? This movie has to exist then if the next Batman exists.
KOMANI
KOMANI
Yea man, of course.... But I'm quite shitty.Don't forget Spiegelman!
I think what sells tends to be affected by trends and, of course, personal taste. Kind of like the movies. There are times when it's predominantly the artist with the pull, times when it's predominantly the writer etc. Like, the 'British Invasion(s)' were completely writer-centric, but the pre-Image era was all about the art.
So, you draw comics? Can I see?
https://www.behance.net/FERETZANIS
Or just check out @Badhumans on Twitter.
Man, those "invasion" years were the best for comics when it came to thinking outside the box.
SlowRevolution
Member
Snyder could've at least cast Kate Mara and given her a dumb wig.
AHA-Lambda
Member
remember when people wanted TV Flash in this universe somehow? good times
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
I have been thinking at work and talked to a few co workers on why the hell WB is going after Marvel. It is dumb as it can get they could have done MoS 2..Wonder Woman than Batman or the other way around.
But they had to cram everything in this movie and reading everywhere it is a fucking mess. Why do they though this was a good idea? WB and DC have big issues making super hero movies. Yeah Nolan did a good job he took his time..but WB? Hell no...
But they had to cram everything in this movie and reading everywhere it is a fucking mess. Why do they though this was a good idea? WB and DC have big issues making super hero movies. Yeah Nolan did a good job he took his time..but WB? Hell no...
there's no way this movie will flop, but WB is expecting/hoping for avengers money with this thing. It needs $800 million to break even. If it doesn't hit a billion worldwide then its a disappointment
I'm all for WB rethinking the current plan, but I really hope they don't take Batman away from Ben Affleck.
I feel like he could make a kickass Batman movie that could stand with The Dark Knight as a great film. His take looks fantastic, and he's got the directing chops to pull it off.
Honestly, Affleck is the best descision WB has made in this whole thing by a country mile.
I feel like he could make a kickass Batman movie that could stand with The Dark Knight as a great film. His take looks fantastic, and he's got the directing chops to pull it off.
Honestly, Affleck is the best descision WB has made in this whole thing by a country mile.
Kreisberg and Berlanti are laughing their asses off right now, I bet.
"THAT'S your Flash?!?! BWAAHAAHAHAHA!"
Wow, you really think such obscure characters as Batman and Superman could really do as well opening weekend as A-list Superhero Deadpool?
CosmicGroinPull
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This thread is about the quality of the movie though, not how much it might or might not make.
echoshifting
Banned
Not sure if it's been posted but Movie Bob completely eviscerated it. If you want the whole movie spoiled this is the review to watch, he gives you pretty much everything.
Lifejumper
Member
Cant they just let flash reboot the whole universe?
till they fuck that up
Dash_Riprock
Member
Because that never happened before...
hubris
Despite what the persistent survival of the Transformers series would have us believe, just making a lot of money isn't necessarily all there is. Enthusiasm matters, momentum matters. Superman Returns made $400 million, but Singer was never given the greenlight to do a sequel. Why? Because no one gave a shit about the movie. Amazing Spider-Man 2 did $700 million, but Sony promptly fired the director, cleaned the slate again and is now co-producing the series with Marvel.
BvS will likely make a ton of money. By basing 10 more blockbuster films on a foundation of poor reviews and potentially WOM is not a winning long-term strategy.
Okay, so I'm going through a bizarre few stages of grief, I guess, from my experiences with the film, like a reverse form of depression.
At first, I was laughing and amused. I had sort of prepared myself for a negative reception, and I enjoy a good "bad film" every now and then to make the actual good ones shine brighter. I enjoyed watching the negative reviews pile up after I accepted it wasn't going to prove the doubters wrong.
Then... from what I saw... I started to get confused. Like, how DO you screw up that badly in this day and age, surrounded by sterling examples of superhero films done correctly and decades of established history and success?
Then I started to get angry. This wasn't just any old Superhero film. It's not Catwoman or Elektra or Ghost Rider or Steel... it's BATMAN and SUPERMAN, two of the absolute most iconic and inspiration heroes to ever exist. And while this film has two idiots dressed up as them, I never felt like Batman or Superman were actually in the film because they so rarely behaved or did things that were Batman-y or Superman-y outside of their gadgets and powers. The "people" inside the suits were unfamiliar and, you know what, insufferably stupid, morose, joyless, and frustrating.
And then my anger finally gave way to where I'm at now: depression. While I think superhero films will be fine in the long-run (we just had Deadpool and Civil War looks great), I'm a DC super-fan and have been for over thirty years, far beyond Superman and Batman, and I realized that, for a whole generation of kids growing up, this is "their" Batman and Superman, and for a whole group of people who waited their whole lives for this meeting on the big-screen, THIS was the best they could do.
And I see a future where I hate it. I hate it all. I'll never get a modern DC movie universe with Martian Manhunter, I'll never get one with Plastic Man or Hawkman, I'll never get one with my buddies Booster Gold and Blue Beetle. I'm never going to see Doomsday or Lex Luthor done right, never see Superman square off against Brainiac or Metallo or Parasite or Bizarro or any other villains. Never see Cyborg with the Teen Titans. Never see the timeless friendship of Batman and Superman hold any merit. Not until the next movie reboot.
Which means I have to wait, for years and years and years and years, until DC decides to start again, and then I go back to crossing my fingers and hoping they don't screw it up again.
I absolutely, completely wanted to love this, and I hate it now more than ever. ESPECIALLY when so much of their competition is hitting it out of the park.
At first, I was laughing and amused. I had sort of prepared myself for a negative reception, and I enjoy a good "bad film" every now and then to make the actual good ones shine brighter. I enjoyed watching the negative reviews pile up after I accepted it wasn't going to prove the doubters wrong.
Then... from what I saw... I started to get confused. Like, how DO you screw up that badly in this day and age, surrounded by sterling examples of superhero films done correctly and decades of established history and success?
Then I started to get angry. This wasn't just any old Superhero film. It's not Catwoman or Elektra or Ghost Rider or Steel... it's BATMAN and SUPERMAN, two of the absolute most iconic and inspiration heroes to ever exist. And while this film has two idiots dressed up as them, I never felt like Batman or Superman were actually in the film because they so rarely behaved or did things that were Batman-y or Superman-y outside of their gadgets and powers. The "people" inside the suits were unfamiliar and, you know what, insufferably stupid, morose, joyless, and frustrating.
And then my anger finally gave way to where I'm at now: depression. While I think superhero films will be fine in the long-run (we just had Deadpool and Civil War looks great), I'm a DC super-fan and have been for over thirty years, far beyond Superman and Batman, and I realized that, for a whole generation of kids growing up, this is "their" Batman and Superman, and for a whole group of people who waited their whole lives for this meeting on the big-screen, THIS was the best they could do.
And I see a future where I hate it. I hate it all. I'll never get a modern DC movie universe with Martian Manhunter, I'll never get one with Plastic Man or Hawkman, I'll never get one with my buddies Booster Gold and Blue Beetle. I'm never going to see Doomsday or Lex Luthor done right, never see Superman square off against Brainiac or Metallo or Parasite or Bizarro or any other villains. Never see Cyborg with the Teen Titans. Never see the timeless friendship of Batman and Superman hold any merit. Not until the next movie reboot.
Which means I have to wait, for years and years and years and years, until DC decides to start again, and then I go back to crossing my fingers and hoping they don't screw it up again.
I absolutely, completely wanted to love this, and I hate it now more than ever. ESPECIALLY when so much of their competition is hitting it out of the park.
considering all the reviews praise his Batman I'm sure they'll be throwing money at him.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Everyone gets a jacket!
worth it
DrGonzo615
Banned
None of this surprises me except the Nolan bit. I mean, I get that Nolan was the last person that really made some successful, critically acclaimed DC films but a Nolan movie after a Snyder production would be really jarring. Their styles dont mesh at all.
Did you actually see the movie yet?
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
TheFuzz
Member
Not entirely. With people seriously entertaining that WB is giving up two days before domestic release, it's veered into that territory. There are some awful movies like the Transformers sequels that pull the numbers WB hopes for, so a 40% RT score isn't indicative of anything as far as they're concerned.
Now, if we are looking at awful numbers by late-April, the conversation changes. But to say that WB is in damage control mode based on reviews is silly (at this point, anyway).
The movie hasn't even released yet and people are acting like its the bomb of the century. LolThis is what's being said at Warner Bros. meeting rooms right now:
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Villains are the new cool.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
Member
Moviebob hated it, unsurprisingly, given how much he hated man of steel in the end.
Primethius
Banned
When do we typically get tracking estimates for movies like this?
Well...Supergirl has MM...and he's good there.
But yeah...I know what you mean. Only hope now is that they re-tool everything.
Maybe DC aren't meant for the big screen
TheFuzz
Member
This is my point. It's laughable. It won't bomb. I almost hope it hits $180 million just so we we can see THAT thread blow itself up on Monday morning.
as its been stated several times, opening weekend is almost irrelevant at this point.
what really matters is the 2nd weekend and the legs the movie has. bad WOM could kill it
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