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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain

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Knoxcore

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Lol, so much hyperbole in this thread.

It's making $130million this weekend. It's not going to flop. The bubble isn't going to burst. This is not the end.

The Internet-comic-nerd community is so small in the grand scheme of things. It's Batman, Superman, and stuff getting destroyed. Despite Snyder's best effort, it won't flop.

If it only does $130m then the DCCU will be over. We won't get Cyborg or Aquaman and The Flash will be on the chopping block. Having said that I think $200 is doable.
 
Can we stop pretending we're talking about the movie bombing? Who is even saying that? Of course it's going to make money. That's not the point. It needs to make a hell of a lot of money, and it needs to be better received by audiences than it has been by critics. It needs to have legs.

Shit is tired. Obviously the movie isn't gonna bomb.
 

Alienous

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None of this surprises me except the Nolan bit. I mean, I get that Nolan was the last person that really made some successful, critically acclaimed DC films but a Nolan movie after a Snyder production would be really jarring. Their styles dont mesh at all.

Nolan produced Man of Steel, and asked Snyder not to do one of the things Man of Steel is criticized most for.
 

Garlador

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Did you actually see the movie yet?

Yes and it's one of the few superhero experiences I regret.

I mean, say what you will about the Fant4stic film, at least it had the common decent to end far sooner than BvS did so I didn't feel like I wasted THAT much time, but this lumbering monster of a film just kept on GOING.
 

TheFuzz

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as its been stated several times, opening weekend is almost irrelevant at this point.

what really matters is the 2nd weekend and the legs the movie has. bad WOM could kill it

Batman and superman. Stuff blows up. And spring break means more people in theatres. It not going to have TFA legs, but even a "bad" movie will hang around just because of the characters and their recognition. That's my opinion, though.
 

SimleuqiR

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The movie hasn't even released yet and people are acting like its the bomb of the century. Lol

To give GAF some credit they were right about the quality of the movie before it was even reviewed. So yeah....even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Gaf on BvS reviews - Right once.
Gaf on Bvs bombing at the box office - Right Twice.
 

Poeton

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I don't think WB will be satisfied with BvS just being financially successful (if that will even happen now). I think they wanted a well received movie that would make a lot of money and set a foundation for a large revenue stream money that would be DCEU.
 
the nolan films were dark and gritty true, but they were also often conventional crime films and borrowed a lot from established and popular narrative forms, then added superheroes. film critics could relate it to enjoying micheal mann films, for example. the synder-verse takes a grandiose opera-esque approach to it, focusing on a mythology, symbolism, religious metaphor above all. it's not real like the nolan films characters and politics, but it's with a tone that's entirely at odds with the silly children's toys fighting and cracking jokes approach of marvel. it's not something people are used to in these comic book films and there's a sense of 'it's bad because its taking the wrong approach' to the reviews that can seem small-minded.

+1
 

gamz

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Yes and it's one of the few theater experiences I regret.

I mean, say what you will about the Fant4stic film, at least it had the common decent to end far sooner than BvS did so I didn't feel like I wasted THAT much time, but this lumbering monster of a film just kept on GOING.

I've seen a ton of shit,so I'm fully prepared.
 

Briarios

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This is my point. It's laughable. It won't bomb. I almost hope it hits $180 million just so we we can see THAT thread blow itself up on Monday morning.

The opening weekend matters less than the following weekend. The question is whether it will have legs. The opening isn't in doubt.
 

Screaming Meat

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Yea man, of course.... But I'm quite shitty.
https://www.behance.net/FERETZANIS
Or just check out @Badhumans on Twitter.

You, sir, are talking bollocks.

Your Joker looks like Bruce Dern and It. Is. Awesome. As is Harley :) I really like your work! You doing any regular comic work?

Man, those "invasion" years were the best for comics when it came to thinking outside the box.

God yeah. It was great to see the 'home' team do so well. Most of them cut their teeth on 2000AD, which used to be an absolute hotbed of talent and weirdness (your stuff would not be out of place there).
 

mcrommert

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All are bad. They are way to cheesy for me.

Batman and superman. Stuff blows up. And spring break means more people in theatres. It not going to have TFA legs, but even a "bad" movie will hang around just because of the characters and their recognition. That's my opinion, though.

As much as i wish it would bomb...you're right

And that is why so much garbage is made
 

tomtom94

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Can we stop pretending we're talking about the movie bombing? Who is even saying that? Of course it's going to make money. That's not the point. It needs to make a hell of a lot of money, and it needs to be better received by audiences than it has been by critics. It needs to have legs.

Shit is tired. Obviously the movie isn't gonna bomb.

This. People need to remember that Man of Steel and Amazing Spider Man 2 both made back their budgets twice over (over $600m WW) but they 'bombed' because bad word of mouth killed their chances and made it obvious that a straight sequel was not the right place to launch a cinematic universe - which is what the producers want to do here. Bad word of mouth here kills Justice League. THAT is the real fear.
 

Kain

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As long as Warner execs don't change their policy of extreme seriousness, dramatism and no fun, these movies will stay like... this until they bomb. BvS will not bomb by any means, it takes a Joel Schumacher to kill Batman, but I'm worried by the rest of the planned DC movies if this trend goes on. Like, do you really think Cyborg or Aquaman can work in this universe? Maybe Suicide squad helps, I don't know, but Marvel for all its failings nails the tone of all its movies while Warner totally fails.
 
He didn't tell Snyder "don't do that," but he didn't like the idea of Superman killing Zod.

This account is backed up by Goyer, who, in the same podcast, said that Nolan told them there was no way they could have that ending. He flat out told them not to write it. Goyer added that they talked to people at DC who told them “No way. No way.” Which Goyer and Snyder apparently didn’t see as a logical reading of the character, and more of a challenge to find the one situation where Superman would kill. Snyder said, later in the Empire podcast, “I just felt like we were able to create this scenario where either Superman is going to see these people get chopped in half or he’s gotta do what he’s gotta do.”

Source: http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-brief-history-of-zack-snyder-defending-the-end-of-man-1763888746
 
Yikes... these reviews. I actually enjoyed MoS, but that's because I don't follow the comics enough to really 'get' Superman.

Problem is, the BvS trailers have all looked pretty bad to me, the reviews are reaffirming my reservations. I'm gonna see it, but I'm not expecting too much beyond some cool Batman scenes.

130 million this weekend is...not good

whoa, I thought this was tracking way higher than that?
 
None of my friends wanted to join me. Going to the movies alone for the first time of my life. And for what? A movie I expect to be a complete and total trainwreck.
At least it's 2D.
 

pel1300

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damnit...this better not make people get cold feet about hero vs hero movies in general....

I'm talking about Civil War...that movie looks legit awesome, and I fear that Batman v Superman will make people hesitant about seeing it.
 

Firemind

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This. People need to remember that Man of Steel and Amazing Spider Man 2 both made back their budgets twice over (over $600m WW) but they 'bombed' because bad word of mouth killed their chances and made it obvious that a straight sequel was not the right place to launch a cinematic universe - which is what the producers want to do here. Bad word of mouth here kills Justice League. THAT is the real fear.
Sony killed ASM because they're run by fucking idiots (see: hacks).
 

Garlador

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I've seen a ton of shit,so I'm fully prepared.

I guess I'm also not as attached to some characters than the others. Like, Fant4stic riled me up because my favorite villain is Dr. Doom, and they screwed him up AGAIN... that hurt. But I'm not strung-up on whether Nicolas Cage botched Ghost Rider or whether Helle Berry's Catwoman did damage to the Batman universe or whether Ryan Reynold's Green Lantern was going to upset.

But I do have a pretty strong attachment to both Batman and Superman, and I felt like some kid in the theater internally screaming "Batman doesn't do that! Superman doesn't act like that! You're doing it all wrong! This isn't what's supposed to happen!"

My feelings about it are very similar to the Frank Miller All-Star Batman or the Azrael-Batman; it just doesn't sit right with me.
 
So the audience score on RT is 86%. Seems like these are real reviews too, or at least most of them are.

Another case of critic vs audience disconnect?
 
So the audience score on RT is 86%. Seems like these are real reviews too, or at least most of them are.

Another case of critic vs audience disconnect?

Snyder's movies usually skew this way. I'm still of the opinion that this isn't a very good movie, but there are definitely parts in it that are worth seeing in IMAX
 
So the audience score on RT is 86%. Seems like these are real reviews too, or at least most of them are.

Another case of critic vs audience disconnect?

The movie isn't out yet. The only audiences who have seen it are the folks who have gotten into the early fan screenings, and they're not exactly an un-biased audience.
 

SimleuqiR

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damnit...this better not make people get cold feet about hero vs hero movies in general....

I'm talking about Civil War...that movie looks legit awesome, and I fear that Batman v Superman will make people hesitant about seeing it.

I don't think you have to worry about Cival War at all. That movie has Spidey in it.
 

TheFuzz

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Blockbuster audience scores, especially for stuff with beloved characters, is always higher.

More to my point. Audience (i.e. People buying tickets) will see the highs (and even the bad reviews mention there are a good number of highs) and ignore the lows.

I know it's "hype" but a lot of kids and casual people will probably eat this stuff up and not have a conniption if Snyder butchers a comic book character.
 
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