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[wildfire]

Who the fuck are they to tell us how to conduct our affairs?

How slow are you to realize we started this and half of us were shouting at our president not to do this already?

 

[Sunster]

Not "evil" country which occupies Tibet and where political opponents tend to disappear although sometimes they are just openly murdered in massacres on plazas.

It's hilarious how so many people suddenly support China just because Trump doesn't like them.

Well I mean what does calling them evil do? How does it help anything?

 

[wildfire]

China is the only remaining safeguard for progressive western ideals and I'm not even joking. That is, considering how much of a threat Russia is to progressives in the west.

I know you said you're not joking but are you really that serious?

 

[Breads]

Chinese government really has a fragile ego, huh.

This should be fun.

Unless it effects my business (I have products that ship from China). Because then I'd have to add this to the list of things I'm going to get pissed about.

 

[Kaako]

Just fuck our shit up even more, China. We're doing an excellent jobs ourselves already.

 

[Dingens]

Should have clarified, I was referring to a major nation in Asia who understands that progressive values are essential for western democracies even if out of self interest. Unlike say Japan who bent over backwards to appease the orange bigot.

and what exactly are western values? (or rather what's the west?)
The US? the Anglo countries? Europe? because depending on your definition, I may have bad news for you.
(also the only value china is defending seems to be a very Trump-ian value...)

 

[D1337]

I agree that it is incredibly unprofessional and he should speak with more thought and care considering how much power his words now hold.

Agreed. I don't have an opinion either way on Trump. But his twitter needs taken away. I don't want to see nuclear war started over twitter

 

[dramatis]

Not "evil" country which occupies Tibet and where political opponents tend to disappear although sometimes they are just openly murdered in massacres on plazas.

It's hilarious how so many people suddenly support China just because Trump doesn't like them.

You're not proving him wrong at all, you're still thinking simplistically. Every country has its ups and its downs. The only instance in which I can think of a country being 'good' or 'evil' is if it is immensely small and therefore can fill the description completely. The US, being 300 million people and diverse, is not wholly 'good'. The 1 billion plus population of China means that it cannot be a nation wholly 'evil'.

For instance, China is putting immense effort and resources into researching climate change and developing green energy. In comparison, the US lets its population run amuck with guns and allows its police officers to discriminate against minorities in their handling of situations, resulting in significant deaths but few trials and convictions against police. From this sort of description, is it not possible to consider "Oh, China good, US bad"?

Don't act like you actually care about Tibet and use it as an argument to point out how China is 'evil' and how you're standing on some righteous pedestal.

 

[Madness]

The Chinese government is not "evil". That's an overly simplistic, undiplomatic, and unconstructive way to frame the situation.

Tell that to Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, dissidents, the families and students of those who participated in Tiananmen Square protests, people from Taiwan, Hong Kong, their support of North Korea, etc. The CPC and Chinese government is easily one of the most authoritarian, corrupt, vile governments in human history. Their near total control of all forms of media and secret police still jailing or watching family members should teach you otherwise. Fuck the CPC.

Not only that but they covertly helped Pakistan develop nuclear weapons capability, which is perhaps the one state in the world right now most likely to fall under extremism.

 

[Sunster]

Tell that to Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, dissidents, the families and students of those who participated in Tiananmen Square protests, people from Taiwan, Hong Kong, their support of North Korea, etc. The CPC and Chinese government is easily one of the most authoritarian, corrupt, vile governments in human history. Their near total control of all forms of media and secret police still jailing or watching family members should teach you otherwise. Fuck the CPC.

Not only that but they covertly helped Pakistan develop nuclear weapons capability, which is perhaps the one state in the world right now most likely to fall under extremism.

yep. All 1 billion Chinese are evil. US=good China=bad.

 

[Slaythe]

It's pronounced "Gina".

 

[Madness]

yep. All 1 billion Chinese are evil. US=good China=bad.

I didn't know all 1 billion Chinese are part of the Chinese government or communist party of China like I stated in my post or do you just like to talk out of your ass.

The Chinese government is not China, and criticizing them is not racist. Hong Kong, Taiwan are prime examples of how an ethnically Chinese country can flourish free of an authoritarian and tyrannical government.

Edit: Also the population of China is 1.35+ billion.

 

[JZA]

"Chinese" and "Big Sticks" does not compute.

The message that I'm getting from this thread is that it's ok to make stereotyped comments against Chinese.

 

[Not]

The message that I'm getting from this thread is that it's ok to make stereotyped comments against Asians.

I mean, did you watch the Oscars last year? Society doesn't give a shit yet.

 

[FoxSpirit]

I'd say that China represents lawful evil whereas Trump is chaotic evil.

By that metric, Putin would probably be neutral evil, yet sometimes pretending to be chaotic evil when it suits his needs.

I can deal with lawful evil but chaotic evil is the kind of character that has to die for the better of everyone else. Of course people who like to play CE characters are always super pissed when you gun for them because "I am not an amoral asshole, that's just my character!! Roleplay, roleplay!!!"
At least I won't do anything if the party decides to kill you in your sleep.

 

[Sunster]

I didn't know all 1 billion Chinese are part of the Chinese government or communist party of China like I stated in my post or do you just like to talk out of your ass.

The Chinese government is not China, and criticizing them is not racist. Hong Kong, Taiwan are prime examples of how an ethnically Chinese country can flourish free of an authoritarian and tyrannical government.

Didn't read post you quoted.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Still standing ground on the day he's sworn is you wont see this kind of Trump on Twitter. You can criticize his cabinet to the nth-degree but there is no way the House, Senate or any other foreign affairs type committee would allow Trump to fire off the way he does.

LMAO. Keep pretending they can stop him. If Donald fucking Trump wants to say something on Twitter, it should be clear to everyone know that he's going to do just that and that people who don't like it can fuck right off.

It's like people think he's going to morph into someone OTHER THAN the person we've seen for the last 2 years. As if he was an actor and he's going to flip the "Presidential" switch. This is who he fucking is, despite all the morons who voted for him on the presence that he won't really act like how he's been acting...or that he won't do what he said he was going to do.

It's this disconnect...this dissonance that got him into power in the first place.

When people show you who they really are, believe them next time.

 

[The Real Abed]

Yeah? Well I carry a BIIIGER stick!

And I USE it too!

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[boredofcanada]

Who the fuck are they to tell us how to conduct our affairs?

A superpower?

 

[Hypron]

Yeah, because no country ever dictates to any other country how to conduct their affairs... Especially the US.

Yeah, the hypocrisy hurts.

 

[Grug]

The "140 character" Presldent.

Help us Jeebus.

 

[Usobuko]

Trump has once said he doesn't like China dictating to him so expect him to keep pushing the buttons. He can't handle not having the last word or bulging from his opinions.

This is just a recipe for disaster.

The Global Times claimed any new tariffs would trigger immediate “countermeasures” and “tit-for-tat approach” from Beijing.

“A batch of Boeing orders will be replaced by Airbus. US auto and iPhone sales in China will suffer a setback, and US soybean and maize imports will be halted. China can also limit the number of Chinese students studying in the US.”

Good thing I don't own any Apple stock no more.

 

[rjinaz]

Chinese government really has a fragile ego, huh.

This should be fun.

Unless it effects my business (I have products that ship from China). Because then I'd have to add this to the list of things I'm going to get pissed about.

China does? Trump is going to make China's ego look like the most iron willed in history by comparison.

 

[Hierophant]

i mean democracy leading to donald trump being elected is actually the best propaganda against democracy

 

[michaelius]

You're not proving him wrong at all, you're still thinking simplistically. Every country has its ups and its downs. The only instance in which I can think of a country being 'good' or 'evil' is if it is immensely small and therefore can fill the description completely. The US, being 300 million people and diverse, is not wholly 'good'. The 1 billion plus population of China means that it cannot be a nation wholly 'evil'.

For instance, China is putting immense effort and resources into researching climate change and developing green energy. In comparison, the US lets its population run amuck with guns and allows its police officers to discriminate against minorities in their handling of situations, resulting in significant deaths but few trials and convictions against police. From this sort of description, is it not possible to consider "Oh, China good, US bad"?

Don't act like you actually care about Tibet and use it as an argument to point out how China is 'evil' and how you're standing on some righteous pedestal.

Yep I'm simpleton who thinks that murderous dictatorship regimes that threaten to invade other states are "evil".

So I'm afraid I'll have to wait with praising them for their climate efforts (which btw they are one of the most responsible for current pollution) until they stop murdering people while the world pretends to look other way.

 

[Gutek]

this will only provoke him

Good, burn it all down.

 

[D i Z]

Idiot is going to start a trade war and collapse the global economy because he can't keep his fucking mouth shut. Fuck this country.

Isn't that the point? I've long suspected that Trump and BG specifically are working towards controlling the wealth that's locked up by China and it's mineral market interests.
All of this is deliberate and calculated. It's like nobody is actually paying attention to how this dude ran his campaign and how he won.

 

[Rentahamster]

I'd say that China represents lawful evil whereas Trump is chaotic evil.

By that metric, Putin would probably be neutral evil, yet sometimes pretending to be chaotic evil when it suits his needs.

None of these players are "evil". Did we all secretly actually agree with Bush's foreign policy or something and just didn't want to admit it at the time? Simplistically framing major superpowers as "evil" or "children" in order for their actions to more comfortably fit your worldview is not constructive.

 

[Madness]

A superpower?

Wrong. China is a great power at best, or maybe regional power. Economically they are strong now but in a globalized world, this means less because they are so dependent on everyone else. Can China survive risking a trade war with the US or EU? Militarily, they do not have any force or power projection. They have one aircraft carrier, an old Soviet model they are using for training while they build their own. They are still dependent on Russia for jet engines etc. How are they going to project power anywhere. The Japanese navy is probably just as strong as China's in terms of power projection with how many helicopter carriers Japan uses whixh can avtually be aircraft carriers. Culturally, they have long been dominated by the West. Politically, they are near isolated in terms of allies and support. North Korea, Pakistan, Sudan, Iran, Russia are their strongest allies. Additionally, they have antagonized pretty much every major country in the region, Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, India, etc.

So in what definition are they a superpower. The Soviet Union matched the US militarily and politically as it spread communism rapidly. Economically they started to wane which is why they lost eventually. I've said it before China is a paper tiger built up, and especially in this thread as people want to handwave away the atrocities of the Chinese government because they hate the orange turd Trump so much. You have one of the most villainous governments in human history be praised. Their dear leader Mao Zedong literally was responsible for killing or starving 40 million people and executing hundreds of thousands and they still revere him. China is literally stealing land and threatening war or sanctions if people complain. Torturing falun gong practitioners, near total control of Tibet. We don't hear about half their atrocities because they control the media much like North Korea does.

Similarly, the CPC have done some pretty awful things, but all in all I have hope they're trying their best to run a functioning government. At least they're not trying to undermine democracy or governments in other countries in order to gain more power for themselves.

Is this a joke? That is what the government of China has been doing for decades. Don't mistake me. I haven't mentioned the US. My issue was with the person who said the Chinese government wasn't evil or bad.

 

[Rentahamster]

Tell that to Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, dissidents, the families and students of those who participated in Tiananmen Square protests, people from Taiwan, Hong Kong, their support of North Korea, etc. The CPC and Chinese government is easily one of the most authoritarian, corrupt, vile governments in human history. Their near total control of all forms of media and secret police still jailing or watching family members should teach you otherwise. Fuck the CPC.

Not only that but they covertly helped Pakistan develop nuclear weapons capability, which is perhaps the one state in the world right now most likely to fall under extremism.

I'm fine if you want actions like that to qualify a country as "evil", but then so would the USA, and a lot of other major powers.

 

[Madness]

I'm fine if you want actions like that to qualify a country as "evil", but then so would the USA, and a lot of other major powers.

Of course. But you're essentially agreeing with my post then and then trying to resort to whataboutism. We all know what the US, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, British Empire, France, have done. The post was whether the communist party of china was evil or reprehensive. And then if we are looking at 2016, which government is ultimately better by todays standards. A Barack Obama American government or a Xi Jinping Chinese government or a Vladimir Putin Russian Government.

 

[Pancake Mix]

Again, if your point is that all huge governments are evil, I guess you're right. Then the Chinese government is evil, just like America, Russia, etc.Tone of the argument, however, seems to point at China being especially evil, and at that hahahaha okay.

The Chinese government is definitely especially evil. That's no reflection on the people or the society as a whole.

 

[jiggle]

"Chinese" and "Big Sticks" does not compute.

With the "big sticks" please

Vile

Not surprised it's allowed here

 

[Madness]

Oh my bad, I forgot the CCP has been interfering in European, Russian, and American elections to get weak leaders elected, or been sending clandestine teams to assassinate leaders and put in puppet governments for their own benefits, destabilizing an entire region.

Again, if your point is that all huge governments are evil, I guess you're right. Then the Chinese government is evil, just like America, Russia, etc.Tone of the argument, however, seems to point at China being especially evil, and at that hahahaha okay.

If your only points are whataboutism to deflect criticism and valid points because you are personally offended, I don't know. I mean what stake do you honestly have there then but to just go nuh-uh, the US did this too etc.

 

[Ghost]

China own 7% of the national debt ($1.2 trillion) so the only way Trump can win this fight is if he's got some kind of experience in welching on debts or going bankrupt or something.

 

[qcf x2]

Oh my bad, I forgot the CCP has been interfering in European, Russian, and American elections to get weak leaders elected, or been sending clandestine teams to assassinate leaders and put in puppet governments for their own benefits, destabilizing an entire region.

Again, if your point is that all huge governments are evil, I guess you're right. Then the Chinese government is evil, just like America, Russia, etc.Tone of the argument, however, seems to point at China being especially evil, and at that hahahaha okay.

It's a pretty f'd up government and while the US is f'd up in many ways, the US is not doing things on the same level as how China has handled Tibet or something like the Tianamen Square incident (or Taiwan, excuse me, Chinese Taipei). You can't really say all gov'ts are evil so all are equally evil, no.

China is far more f'd up than the US is right now, today, even with the issues we have going on right now.

 

[KingBroly]

Chinese government really has a fragile ego, huh.

This should be fun.

Unless it effects my business (I have products that ship from China). Because then I'd have to add this to the list of things I'm going to get pissed about.

China's more likely to back off than Trump is. China is clearly flustered by Trump and what he's doing and offering for businesses wanting to come back to the US, at least in part.

Personally, I think Trump's on the right track in regards to China. He's trying isolate them, not only from Russia, but us as well.

 

[Dan]

Trump doesn't even understand what a trade deficit really means, which is perhaps the worst part of all this. He has no clue what he's doing, just blindly railing against flawed perceptions of reality.

 

[Rentahamster]

The next 4 years of diplomatic relations with other nations will be interesting to follow. Generally the USA has erred on the side of caution when speaking with foreign leaders who aren't our political allies (China, North Korea, etc.) so it won't provoke them and potentially cause an expensive and damaging war. But Trump isn't going to sit there and take it, he's going to fight back when they say something he doesn't agree with. And we've never had a president like this before. At least, not in modern day history.

Trump's just doing a social experiment to see if negging works on a global scale.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

As fucked as we will be, the utter decimation of our economy might just be what we need, it worked in the 30s. Granted a good portion of the Democrat party back then was Southern Democrats who were totally cool with the KKK and such so maybe it wouldn't change much in states that already are economic shit holes.

 

[kmfdmpig]

The Chinese government is not "evil". That's an overly simplistic, undiplomatic, and unconstructive way to frame the situation.

It's a good thing I'm not a diplomat in that case.

The Chinese government is awful both to its own people and to those it runs roughshod over. They are not at the North Korea level of evil, but are certainly bad enough that "evil" seems applicable.

 

[norm9]

With all his twitter nonsense, Trump will Homer Simpson himself a favorable trade victory and then take all the credit that it was planned from the start.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

China's more likely to back off than Trump is. China is clearly flustered by Trump and what he's doing and offering for businesses wanting to come back to the US, at least in part.

Personally, I think Trump's on the right track in regards to China. He's trying isolate them, not only from Russia, but us as well.

Trump is really isolating China by... pulling out TPP and... making belligerent comments to South Korea and Japan (our closest allies in Asia).

Huh.

 

[Imperfected]

Still standing ground on the day he's sworn is you wont see this kind of Trump on Twitter. You can criticize his cabinet to the nth-degree but there is no way the House, Senate or any other foreign affairs type committee would allow Trump to fire off the way he does.

He's already the president but for ceremonial vesting, man. Do you really think Donald Trump is the kind of guy to pay heed to ceremony and technicality, like he's just scumming around until the day he's inaugurated because he doesn't believe himself to be the president until the song-and-dance is over?

This is it. This is the president we got. If you don't like it, I don't know, punch a neighbor who voted for Trump, or something.

 

[Rentahamster]

Not "evil" country which occupies Tibet and where political opponents tend to disappear although sometimes they are just openly murdered in massacres on plazas.

It's hilarious how so many people suddenly support China just because Trump doesn't like them.

It's hilarious that you equate not wanting to call a country "evil" with "support", as well as thinking the only reason I feel this way is because Trump doesn't like them.

The second part is also interesting because Trump is also on record many times praising China a lot. Granted, he's praising how smart they are for taking advantage of us :lol

 

[afternoon delight]

Big stick joke and all, someone in the Party is laughing their asses off.

 

[Grazzt]

Tell that to Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, dissidents, the families and students of those who participated in Tiananmen Square protests, people from Taiwan, Hong Kong, their support of North Korea, etc. The CPC and Chinese government is easily one of the most authoritarian, corrupt, vile governments in human history. Their near total control of all forms of media and secret police still jailing or watching family members should teach you otherwise. Fuck the CPC.

Not only that but they covertly helped Pakistan develop nuclear weapons capability, which is perhaps the one state in the world right now most likely to fall under extremism.

LOL what do you know about Tibetans and Falun Gong practitioners? And Taiwan and Hong Kong?

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

The Chinese government is pretttty bad.

But Trump actually supports the worst things the Chinese government does. Trump straight up praised the Tiananmen Square massacres and is very fond of the idea of murdering religious minorities.

Trump dislikes China because Trump misunderstands trade deficits not because they are awful in human rights.

CNN literally one hour ago: Trump bemoaned the fact that China (in his mind) would execute Chelsea Manning but the U.S. was too much of a pussy country to execute her.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/kfile-trump-wikileaks-china/index.html

 

[kmfdmpig]

China own 7% of the national debt ($1.2 trillion) so the only way Trump can win this fight is if he's got some kind of experience in welching on debts or going bankrupt or something.

That debt ownership is a double edged sword, however as it ties so much of their assets to the success of the US. Both countries would suffer significantly in a real trade war with massive unemployment, loss of wealth, and economic upheaval.

I would argue that the stakes would be even higher for China. Remember that after Tianeman Square (Which was 50X worse than Kent State) the government realized that the only thing that would keep the people in line was consistent economic growth. It's been quite some time, but I wonder if the government believes it could survive a significant recession.

 

[Kaako]

Always have perspective when calling another government evil. The perspective that our shit stinks just as much as the rest of them. You just can't read about it in the news/papers.