Hellgardia
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56CUs @ 1.85Ghz would net you near the 13.3TF and would be closer to the "acceptable" curve power-wise
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Rossco EZ
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we need some of these people verified they playing with our emotions lol
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nowhat
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Judging by this thread, the fans (of both factions) are loud enough already. 90dB would be an improvement.
THE:MILKMAN
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*puts on XM3s* I'm good.
Reindeer
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I'm not so sure how this is difficult to understand, they basically saying plan to beat PS5 in both price (Lockhart) and power (Series X). It doesn't means that they are going to do it with one console like you're implying.
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Aceofspades
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Dude , PS5 logo garnered more media attention than anything MS has done to date. PS5 will be similarly specced as Series X, MS is posing the least threat to Sony Playstation hell I even think Nintendo is threatening Sony more than Microsoft.
13TF, 10TF or even 3TF, it doesn't matter , Playstation WILL always sell better than Xbox. 499, 599, 199 it doesn't matter PS5 will sell better.
Xbox one was basically a Lockhart of this gen, you could get one as low as $199 in 2014 by the outrageous deals and yet, the world didn't give a fuck about Xbox. Same will happen this upcoming generation, only thing that MS can do is to try to better position themselves from a distant third to a close third behind Sony and Nintendo.
OT: I encourage everyone to wait for the official specs reveal by Sony and MS, both machines will be ultra capable.
RasAlGhoul
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Hostile_18
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At least when the consoles are out the accurate insiders will be verified so we won't have the same issues with the PSVR 2 launch
ethomaz
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TSMC posts record 2019 revenues
Pure-play foundry Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) saw its revenues grow by a slight 3.7% in 2019, while revenues at fellow companies United Microelectronics (UMC) and Vanguard International Semiconductor (VIS) each dropped about 2% on year.
www.digitimes.com
Not surprise... AMD moving from GF to TSMC, Apple, consoles, etc.
Reindeer
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It's still more or less saying the same thing, although in this case it's saying that they will offer both reasonable price and power. So you are right, it leaves even less room for people to misinterpret it (kinda like I did lol).You’re getting the language wrong here too thoughReindeer . Phil Spencer said they wouldn’t be out of position on price and power. Not that they wouldn’t be beat on price and power. There is a huge difference between what he said and what people are assuming.
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Darius87
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i'm not implying anything i know what you're saying i mentioned that they couldn't do that just with xsx.
sonomamashine
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What ? cmon man.
When you know it's fake, what's holding you back ?
Reindeer
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Yeah, that's why they want to launch two consoles. Microsoft kinda has to do this because of Sony being such a dominant force and being able to outsell Xbox easily at the same price.
Disco_
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Is your PS4 broken, by any chance? Mine has no problem maxing out my SSD. You have to keep in mind your hdd is limited to like 50mb/s write speed.
The part about the SSD causing a $100 increase was nutty. The patent hints at it being a cheaper alternative to what's on the market, not a doubling in price.
Same goes for the Bluepoint tweet. It ha nothing to do with ps5 or xsx tflops. There was a thread where someone asked them to throw them a bone and just to "show us a black screen, with a title, anything". That's exactly what they did.
THE:MILKMAN
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I don't know its fake. I'm not an insider. 2GHz seems unlikely based on what I've read but until specs are confirmed I will hold fire. My arse is killing so Sony better hurry up.
The Mad Draklor
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Is it possible that the price allegedly increased that much because Sony not just wants to put a SSD in the PS5, but one with extremely high capacity?
it_wasn't_me
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Plus tons of games on PS Now. It's not nice to left out PS Now, isn't it?
Darius87
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i think ms will introduce it later after ps5 price, spec reveal and only if they're in disadvantage in pricing compared to ps5 if not or, same price as ps5, lockhart would be canceled? if that's the case i think this scenario suggest that xsx will be over 500$ with no loss per console and ps5 499$ with around 60$ loss per console. that's basically bailout case for ms to not lose in pricing.
sonomamashine
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56CU's @ 2Ghz is fake, i'm pretty sure 2Ghz was a stress test, expect clocks to be in 1850Mhz area (i'm not confirming 56CU's).
Denis Colovic
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No devloepr that has whether a PS5 or Series X dev kit will give third parties any info. Nor do they talk about any details with family or friends. Unless they signed an NDA too. Why would someone risk breaching NDA and on top of it getting sued for damages made to involved parties? No one will give radom people here on on gaf or the intenret real "insider" info and if those "leaks" weve gotten so far have any truth in it then those people involved in spreading them will likely be sued and fired over the course of the upcoming months.
Im unsubbing now as most of the people here are just trying to dig for more inside info. You will most likely not get em. Simple as that. I understand people are excited I am too. But the fact that some people here are so desperate over leaks is just blowing my mind. Just wait til official announcments and full reveal envents.
Until then have fun everyone in this thread, im probably coming back when things have settled and we can actually talk about real specs.
Was a pleasure being here.
Im unsubbing now as most of the people here are just trying to dig for more inside info. You will most likely not get em. Simple as that. I understand people are excited I am too. But the fact that some people here are so desperate over leaks is just blowing my mind. Just wait til official announcments and full reveal envents.
Until then have fun everyone in this thread, im probably coming back when things have settled and we can actually talk about real specs.
Was a pleasure being here.
Reindeer
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Nice way to take things out of context lol, I was taking about upcoming Xbox games and my comment had nothing to do with PS.
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Disco_
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Like a 2Tb, sure. But they've already put out the messaging that modular game installs would alleviate the issue of huge install sizes.
If a large storage size is on the table, then a smaller one would have to be there along side it, IMO. That extra 1Tb for $100 would give them a nice profit while a cheaper 1Tb sku would bring in those hesitant to spend the extra money.
it_wasn't_me
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idk if this has been posted already but never the less here it is:
If this is true then this will be a major game changer. So developers in theory can work, debug, playtest their games on the same machine. I really hope this turns out to be true.
postscript :This would be a genuinely genius move from microsoft assuming they can make it secure enoguh for both versions of the OS to run.
Anyone here remember that ps3 linux fiasco?
I think Jez Corden debunked this on twitter few hours ago
Ar¢tos
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If ReRam is used as cache for the SSD, I can see it costing 100$.
Reindeer
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Remember how Microsoft first talked about Series X as the most powerful console and then changed it to the most powerful Xbox? Do you guys think Microsoft were initially basing this on the 9 tflop PS5 and then maybe this GPU was upgraded and Microsoft changes their slogan? Anyone?
it_wasn't_me
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You compared directly Xbone lineup in 2020 to PS4 lineup in 2020. Comparison would be OK if you didn't mentioned Game Pass for list wars in same sentence, but you left out PS Now.
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Reindeer
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No lol. My comment was a reply to someone who quoted upcoming PS4 games and asked what Xbox games are coming out this year. My comment was about upcoming Xbox games.
Snake29
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Fixed...
it_wasn't_me
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Ok. But nevertheless, Game Pass is another thing
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bitbydeath
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It seems incredibly unlikely they’d have time to work on other projects. Often around now you get concepts for the next project kicked about but no where near even a CGI trailer. That takes time and manpower.
sonomamashine
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1) So ? technically it's valid.
2) ...........................................................NO.
sonomamashine
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The last of us 2 is already done.
FF7 is already done.
Norse
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A pcie 4.0 m.2 drive is a lot more expensive than a pcie 3.0 m.2 drive for PCs. We dont know the size of the ps5 m.2 pcie 4.0 drive as of yet so we shouldnt be arguing already.
bitbydeath
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Darius87
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in performance 12Tflop console will outperform 2080TI.
sonomamashine
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Pretty sure it's bug test phase, i don't remember where i saw an interview where they asked ellie voice actress ( i think) about the release and she said FFFFF for february a long time ago, then on the trailer later it said coming in february then reported to may, i'm guessing they found unexpected bugs or delaying it for a specific reason.
Agnostic2020
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Haha u r happy . Not pissed
. Anyways I will apologize once mod of war has checked it . I m not like that . I take my L and apologize to you 
Dee Dah Dave
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Right, when you start looking at the small print. But they are not going to fully ‘confirm’ anything at this stage anyway.
The main point is that they are happily throwing these phrases out, knowing that the gaming media and consumers will run with them. I would say they have been foolish with the way they have presented the Series X so far, if indeed the PS5 turns out to be better.
Blindarchangel82
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Sounded like hot air to me as well...
Nothing Unusual
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If only Tflops actually mattered for gaming performance and not used as marketing spin. We might as well go back to Bit performance but that's why everyone compares FPS performance between graphic cards and not TFlops
Reindeer
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Missed opportunity by Microsoft. Would attract a ton of PC gamers who'd be patient them that sweet Xbox Live money.
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Aceofspades
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For the better, Windows will only bog down the whole experience, very sluggish.
ThaMonkeyClaw
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Greene, like Sarah Greene?
HeisenbergFX4
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If they are PC gamers they are already in their ecosystem which is all that matters to them.
Reindeer
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True
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Dee Dah Dave
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What use is that when they sell the Series X at break even or a loss?
The money is made by selling software and services through their own platform, not Steam and Epic stores.
HeisenbergFX4
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True but thats also why they are pushing PC Gamepass to get better to sell that service.
saintjules
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Interesting. Surprising? Not sure. Article says 1 year btw.
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