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tflopsmatter
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You can't factor in efficiency improvements to get generational leaps. All that matters is the TFLOP rating. To get a 7 times increase in TFLOPs, the PS5 needs to have 12.88TF. If the PS5 were just 11TF, it wouldn't come close and all the other generational leaps would have been far better.
How many times do I have to repeat this: the transition from the PS3 (a GPU without unified shaders) to PS4 (a GPU with unified shaders) provided a huge improvement in efficiency. Every generation we get a huge leap in efficiency so you can't factor that in to determine if a true generational leap has taken place. An eleven TF PS5 would be an absolute and total disaster.
saintjules
Member
Oh yeah definitely understand. While I have the OG HDMI cable, I am using a monoprice ultra high speed hdmi cable. I did switch cables to see if the problem persisted, and it has unfortunately.
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Audiophile
Gold Member
The only concerns I'd have for PS5 games coming to PC would be them not fully taking advantage of the PS5 platform with the forethought that a given title has to come to PC at a later date. In particular, them setting the bar too low for lower spec PCs.
The GPU side of things would of course scale in terms of performance, resolution and fx complexity (some general purpose compute solutions perhaps being the exception and requiring some overhead). They'd have to mandate an SSD and likely a very performant one at that, the CPU side of the equation shouldn't really be an issue on any PC mid-range and up. There will have to be some additional overhead given the advantages of an APU, somewhat lower level APIs and tailoring to a fixed platform.
There's also RT of course which offers a reduced workload to devs; and so to take advantage of that --and not have to create multiple rendering solutions -- they may have to mandate RT functionality on PC if it's in the game. Not to mention RT may offer some actual in-game functionality as opposed to just being nice to look at (being able to see round corners for eg.).
As for the market side I think a 6-12mth period for second party titles is a reasonable plan; and for first party, either 12-18mths or prior to a sequel to drum up further interest.
PS needs to remain the primary platform so they can take full advantage of it not just visually but in terms of the fundamentals of the game world and design; while mandating specs on a later PC release that will not impede that..
In that regard, to summarise what I said above, the only real points of concern are SSD functionality, RT functionality and a little overhead on the CPU. Everything else can be scaled back or brute forced according to specs.
Outside of those three points I really don't get why people would be getting so het up about it. If you're concerned about it having a negative effect on the PS business and I assume, their subsequent output, I wouldn't be. An enormous chunk of their revenue now is in subs/services and the main value of first/second party titles isn't in their sales but in how attractive they make the platform. If anything becomes a detriment to that they will adjust accordingly.
Edit: One other thing may be bespoke controller functionality. With haptic feedback and adaptive triggers (and perhaps some of the other rumoured features) being in the PS5 controller, some on a rare occasion may be integral to gameplay and it may require either an alternate solution for PC, scrapping the idea as a whole or mandating a PS5 controller be used with the PC on that title. Just playing devil's advocate...though I think it'll be fine.
The GPU side of things would of course scale in terms of performance, resolution and fx complexity (some general purpose compute solutions perhaps being the exception and requiring some overhead). They'd have to mandate an SSD and likely a very performant one at that, the CPU side of the equation shouldn't really be an issue on any PC mid-range and up. There will have to be some additional overhead given the advantages of an APU, somewhat lower level APIs and tailoring to a fixed platform.
There's also RT of course which offers a reduced workload to devs; and so to take advantage of that --and not have to create multiple rendering solutions -- they may have to mandate RT functionality on PC if it's in the game. Not to mention RT may offer some actual in-game functionality as opposed to just being nice to look at (being able to see round corners for eg.).
As for the market side I think a 6-12mth period for second party titles is a reasonable plan; and for first party, either 12-18mths or prior to a sequel to drum up further interest.
PS needs to remain the primary platform so they can take full advantage of it not just visually but in terms of the fundamentals of the game world and design; while mandating specs on a later PC release that will not impede that..
In that regard, to summarise what I said above, the only real points of concern are SSD functionality, RT functionality and a little overhead on the CPU. Everything else can be scaled back or brute forced according to specs.
Outside of those three points I really don't get why people would be getting so het up about it. If you're concerned about it having a negative effect on the PS business and I assume, their subsequent output, I wouldn't be. An enormous chunk of their revenue now is in subs/services and the main value of first/second party titles isn't in their sales but in how attractive they make the platform. If anything becomes a detriment to that they will adjust accordingly.
Edit: One other thing may be bespoke controller functionality. With haptic feedback and adaptive triggers (and perhaps some of the other rumoured features) being in the PS5 controller, some on a rare occasion may be integral to gameplay and it may require either an alternate solution for PC, scrapping the idea as a whole or mandating a PS5 controller be used with the PC on that title. Just playing devil's advocate...though I think it'll be fine.
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thismeinteil
Member
In a way, it is. We have less than 50 deaths so far in the US. There has already been 20K+ deaths from the regular flu so far. In the end, 95% or more who get it will be fine. Sadly, as is the case for any disease or virus, it really hurts the elderly and those who already have medical issues.
But, the reason for what you could call an overreaction is because we don't have a vaccine, yet. Once we do, and it is being produced in large quantities, this will be treated like the flu is.
Deeper Underground
Member
Oh look, just how Era chased away Klee, Gaf chased away O’dium. I swear, you children need to grow up for real.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Some of tht but also the crying and running away needs to stop and those ppl need to have thicker skin. I've had tht dude on ignore for awhile bcus his little biased, know it all bs. No one is forcing them to divulge information or claim insider status thy chose tht on their own and opened themselves to high scrutiny. They could have easily been on this forum as regular posters.
Tht running away shit imo is for &#tches. I've had disagreements with ppl here and I just ignore them.
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Audiophile
Gold Member
You're late:
You just place your noggin' in the gap and it beams the games directly into your brain.
ethomaz
Banned
Chased away? When?
zeroeffect
Member
System wide this will unquestionably a much larger leap than PS3 --> PS4 was. It's not even a comparison, honestly. The SSD by itself is a MASSIVE leap forward in technology on the PS5 which will be the single biggest upgrade over any component in the entire system generational leap wise. Guess you never used SSDs before and compared them to HDDs. Once you use one you never go back to HDDs and they impact global performance on everything. Even the OS sees performance boosts from SSDs.
Seems a little ignorant to look at just tf and make these kind of statements. Looking at your name though, you're probably trolling.
TLZ
Banned
Wha? Who chased away Odium? All I see is him expressing his love for Pigeons and Polish women.
tflopsmatter
Banned
When it comes to processing pixels to make graphics look photorealistic, GPU power is what's needed more than anything else. Everything else is nice, but the fastest SSD won't make a single enclosed environment with multiple characters look more photorealistic. An i9 intel CPU wouldn't help either. The simple truth is that although an SSD may help in games with huge outdoor worlds (like spiderman) it will be of minimal benefit in let's say horror or science fiction games where you are lurking through an abandoned building, a haunted house, or a subway. I find it horribly sad that game developers made the jump to ultra high resolutions before even producing photorealistic graphics at lower resolutions.
You see, I'm the kind of person who doesn't care one bit about multiplayer (which can be CPU intensive), games with huge worlds which lower the quality of the average asset, or massive destructibility. My gaming dream is to play a game that takes place inside a building or house with characters, walls, and furniture that look like something from an actual movie. So far, there is not a single game that does that. A SSD that allows a game like GTA6 to load in seconds does nothing to help my dream come true.
Of course if you don't care at all about photorealistic graphics and only care about gameplay, then there's no reason to purchase any next generation console. Current systems are more than capable of producing all sorts of stylized games.
Insane Metal
Member
You're not.
The problem is not how many people it kills. The problem is causing a very hard hit on health systems everywhere. It transmits very easily and very fast, and many people don't even show symptoms which makes things worse. But then there's a number of people that do get very sick and require ICU treatment. Imagine 10,000 infected, let's say 10% require ICU treatment. That's suddenly 1,000 people in hospitals in serious condition.
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tflopsmatter
Banned
Like I've said before, I'd love to play through the classic, "Night of the Living Dead" at 1080P resolution at 30FPS locked with absolutely photorealistic graphics. To make this dream come true, I don't need a massive leap in CPU performance or a SSD. All I need is a system with a true generational leap in TF.
Classicrockfan
Banned
Ugh why did I watch that interview with a cdc employee saying its going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
thebigmanjosh
Member
I work with a lot of hospitals and this is a MAJOR problem in the US. Urgent cares are sending patients to the ER because they don’t want to deal with the influx, and most ER aren’t equipped to deal with every single person who thinks they may have the virus.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Ok, I get what you're saying. All good. But, again, just looking at the simple number is a mistake. The improvements in efficiency alone with RDNA2 over the previous architectures mean that the 12TF can accomplish far more than it would have under the old architecture. So that's even more of an improvement than 8 times or whatever. It's like how a i7 processor from today will smoke an i7 processor running at the same speed but of the generation produced several years ago. With the CPU's like that as well, you can't just judge on how many ghz they run at because of the efficiency improvements. That's all. So i get what your saying and even agree that significant leaps are needed to make a new generation worthwhile. But I think that's exactly what we'll be getting based on what we've seen so far. Also, ray tracing is a HUGE deal for the industry and something that game developers and graphics people have been wanting. It's a big step in bringing personal computer and consoles closer to the "CGI" standards. Of course those are evolving too, so we probably won't actually ever get there, but better graphics and prettier shinier graphics are a pretty big deal.
tflopsmatter
Banned
Ok, I get what you're saying. All good. But, again, just looking at the simple number is a mistake. The improvements in efficiency alone with RDNA2 over the previous architectures mean that the 12TF can accomplish far more than it would have under the old architecture. So that's even more of an improvement than 8 times or whatever. It's like how a i7 processor from today will smoke an i7 processor running at the same speed but of the generation produced several years ago. With the CPU's like that as well, you can't just judge on how many ghz they run at because of the efficiency improvements. That's all. So i get what your saying and even agree that significant leaps are needed to make a new generation worthwhile. But I think that's exactly what we'll be getting based on what we've seen so far. Also, ray tracing is a HUGE deal for the industry and something that game developers and graphics people have been wanting. It's a big step in bringing personal computer and consoles closer to the "CGI" standards. Of course those are evolving too, so we probably won't actually ever get there, but better graphics and prettier shinier graphics are a pretty big deal.
yet again, efficiency doesn't matter. Every single generation has huge improvements in efficiency. If you want to compare the PS5 to the PS4 you have to look at TFLOPS alone. Also, the raytracing hardware does not add power to the PS5. In fact, raytracing sucks up a LOT of resources. So unless the raytracing technology in the PS5 is VERY different from that of NVIDIA's, it could actually be nothing but a gimmick.
I really don't think that the time is right for raytracing until it can be done without a massive hit on performance.
saintjules
Member
I see there was a BSOD that happened with users at the end of January due to an update from Microsoft. It's probably around the time just before I had used it last. Going to contact MS again before I go to a local shop for repair. No way I'm paying $250 for a repair from MS.
EDIT: Black screens happened in Jan 2019.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
You can "smell" out of that Sony (ex-Sony) dev comments on DXR that Xbox is in deep shit with their ray tracing and need help. All I know about DirectX since I was young that it's related to my PC crashing.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Ok, not wanting to derail and get in an argument about how worried we should be but keep in mind that so far THIS YEAR at least 12,000 have died in the US alone from flu since October and it's likely 30,000+ due to "related factors" according to the CDC. We don't have NEAR the number of deaths or hospitalizations yet. Over 20 percent of the population often gets the flu on a yearly basis. Worldwide, the latest CDC estimates are that between about 290,000 to 600,000 die worldwide from the flu EACH YEAR. So if that doesn't overwhelm hospital systems all over the planet...we have a ways to go yet. Yes, if Coronavirus adds to the normal burden it will add strain. But we are not in a panic type of territory yet. If we start to see reports of people in their 20's and 30's and in great health suddenly dying and in fairly large numbers, THEN we can panic. Not saying anyone IS panicking...just saying.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Efficiency doesn't matter? So again, since CPU's on PC's have been stuck at the 3ghz mark for years...there's no advancement? That just doesn't make sense. If the efficiency stayed just the same THEN you could go with the simplistic view of 12TF>6TF by 2x! But you can't, and it isn't. And yep we'll see how much RT really takes from these systems but so far rumors and "leaks" from devs are talking about 4k 60fps with plenty of room to go. So I think we'll be just fine. Bottom line though, you CANNOT use just TF marketing numbers to mark an 'advanced' generation. Well, let me say YOU certainly can measure it however you like, but you're not gonna be upgrading your PC video cards for a long time either at that rate and you'll be missing out on a lot.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Huh? Did you just claim Lockhart is intended to run next-gen games at native 4K?
Even the recent Digital Foundry testing (however flawed in their methodology) pretty much demonstrates this as a pipe dream at best.
They run what is essentially an RDNA1 GPU of Lockhart equivalent flops and it struggles to run current-gen games above 1080p. It would have no chance trying to run games designed from the ground up for a 12TFLoPs box at native 4k.
I don’t see how you can appeal to “common sense” and “experience” and then try to claim that.
I don’t actually disagree with you. Although I do think it would need time and a number of post-launch PC releases in order to reinforce the precedent that Sony will always release their games on PC much later than on console. Initially, there will always be uncertainty and anxiety within the minds of console gaming consumers that Sony could at anytime just up and decide to start launching day one on PC—-thereby invalidating entirely the need for a PS console.
Regardless, my main argument was not about whether PC gamers would buy year-old first party PS games. It was that from a commercial perspective, there’s little sense in launching those games on an open platform like PC without their own dedicated launcher and store front. They’re essentially giving away 30% of their sales revenues for no good reason.
Incidentally, I think the crossplay move was the right one. Yielding to the pressure and getting out from under all the negative PR needed to happen. And given that this gen is mostly over, there’s little sense in trying to guard the online advantage of a larger installed base, when virtually no dev has the time nor will to develop the comprehensive cross-platform infrastructure to support invites, chat, messaging etc that would make cross-play meaningful at all. Without that, supporting cross-play becomes a box that Sony can tick, while still maintaining the basic fact that players on the same platform are still going to have the more tightly integrated, more fully-featured online experience.
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tflopsmatter
Banned
Efficiency doesn't matter? So again, since CPU's on PC's have been stuck at the 3ghz mark for years...there's no advancement? That just doesn't make sense. If the efficiency stayed just the same THEN you could go with the simplistic view of 12TF>6TF by 2x! But you can't, and it isn't. And yep we'll see how much RT really takes from these systems but so far rumors and "leaks" from devs are talking about 4k 60fps with plenty of room to go. So I think we'll be just fine. Bottom line though, you CANNOT use just TF marketing numbers to mark an 'advanced' generation. Well, let me say YOU certainly can measure it however you like, but you're not gonna be upgrading your PC video cards for a long time either at that rate and you'll be missing out on a lot.
No, efficiency doesn't matter when it comes to comparing generations of consoles. This is because every single generation gets a huge improvement in efficiency. Do you really think that magically the improvement in efficiency between the PS4 and PS5 will be larger than the PS3 and the PS4. The improvement that RDNA 2 brings will NOT be more than unified shaders.
Also, being stuck at a certain speed does not mean you are stuck at a certain gflop or tflop. CPUs constantly improve in gflops and tflops even though they are at the same speed. Of course there's advancement because there's more transistors which results in more gflops and tflops.
The simple truth is that TFs are the only way to measure one generation to another. Efficiency doesn't matter because every generation gets a massive boost.
M.Night Shyamalan
Member
The MOST CREDIBLE evidence is PS5 is 9.2TF maximum, 7-8TF Minimum. Because Oberon Github was tested at 2.0Ghz, and Mark Cerny gave an interview saying "8TF is adequate for 4K", despite him meaning for PS4 Native 4K and in GCN TF as well.
They entertain that notion, and any other evidence will be shot down by the same suspicious cunts. Colbert, CROAT and others. They have a weird notion to keep the conversation on Github being final SoC. There are some arguing tooth and nail that Odium is no different from a pastebin.. because "he is a big meanie" to Era. Boohoo. Can't understand why speculation is not allowed on a speculation thread. Thread is moderated by a cunt, cunts run amok. The worse thing is, they claim to be liberal an open minded, here they are huddling together behind an unhealthy rumor like a bunch of flat earthers in a crazy cult where guys like Colbert and others that propagate a flat earth are allowed to troll the thread, while they stone everyone else to death unless you agree with them. Lord of the fucking flies mentality, and their all like a bunch of kids.
tflopsmatter
Banned
I'm so sick of people who think the improvement from the PS4 to the PS5 will be gigantic just because of RDNA2. Have they forgotten that every single generation has had massive improvements in GPU efficiency? RDNA2 is not some magical leap beyond other improvements. This is insanity.
I would like for one person who is thrilled about 9.2TF to explain what exactly makes the leap to RDNA2 so much better than that of the RSX in the PS3 to unified shaders in the PS4.
I would like for one person who is thrilled about 9.2TF to explain what exactly makes the leap to RDNA2 so much better than that of the RSX in the PS3 to unified shaders in the PS4.
tflopsmatter
Banned
The GPU in the GitHub leak is not the GPU that will be in the PS5.
M.Night Shyamalan
Member
The only takeaway from Github is... BC testing and the ability to get to 2.0Ghz. That and Odium's 52-56CU is what PS5 will be. 36CU at 2.0Ghz is PS5 boost mode for Backwards Compatibility at best.
Gediminas
Banned
he was my first block here. he was not the just a little biased. he practically downplayed everything positive about PS and just talked negative about PS. the opposite was about m$.
WhispersintheWind
Member
When you hear info second hand. If you trust the source or sources and willing to put it out there on the interwebz! You got to be willing to take scrutiny. You have to own up to if you get bad info. Just like you take credit if your right.
If you can’t do that. Best to not say anything at all.
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Rusco Da Vino
Member
How many times are you going to repeat your "true generational leap" mantra? You have repeated the same brainwashed argumentation 35 times in your posts
Stop trolling in this thread.
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SegaSnatcher
Member
So are we at a 90% chance PS5 won't be under 10 Tflops?
zubairali2
Member
dude next gen consoles are going to be rivalling modern PCs. It wont be like current gen when ps4 and xbox one specs were already outdated a year or two after release.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
G
GlassAwful
I’ve spent a long time doing something that I enjoy, while also working other projects with other people that actually have released. I fail to see the connection? That’s like saying I can’t complete a jigsaw at home, because I professionally print them for others.
The two are not connected and you are reaching. Just for the record, my actual job right now is a teacher of special needs children and the vulnerable. However that doesn’t change the fact that over the years I have contributed to many different retail and indie titles.
(Also, just for the record, it’s not a multiplayer mod for quake 2. If you dig a little deeper you would see it’s an engine rewrite from the ground up, with advanced lighting, physics and audio, and shares more in common with later id tech, technology wise.)
TheThreadsThatBindUs
no I did not say lockhart has to run 4k.Lockhart has to run 1080p content hypothetically. The pro did not. If you allowed the Pro to run games at 1080p using its full grunt, that would be a fair comparison.
Gamernyc78
the reason I’m stepping away for a while is simple, and during the night, I actually had that reason confirmed even more. While things were getting tougher than I would like last night, in the night I’ve had actual threats sent to me, people with no life, no clue and under some illusion that plastic boxes are life or death. I mean... that’s just sad, man. I’m still going to be posting on the forum, even here every so often, but I’m taking a step back. I stand by what I’ve said, and as I said to you all before, if it turns out bad info, i won’t be running off. I’m still here. You need to take a step back and see the bigger picture my friend, because when you get messages like I got last night that even include my daughter (twitter) then that’s a whoooooole different thing. But I’m still here, not running away like a bitch as you put in, which btw, is one of the reasons I’m no longer participating because people like you drive me mad.
Just be good to each other, believe what you want, but talk common sense with this stuff. I’ll pop back up every so often.
The two are not connected and you are reaching. Just for the record, my actual job right now is a teacher of special needs children and the vulnerable. However that doesn’t change the fact that over the years I have contributed to many different retail and indie titles.
(Also, just for the record, it’s not a multiplayer mod for quake 2. If you dig a little deeper you would see it’s an engine rewrite from the ground up, with advanced lighting, physics and audio, and shares more in common with later id tech, technology wise.)
TheThreadsThatBindUs
no I did not say lockhart has to run 4k.Lockhart has to run 1080p content hypothetically. The pro did not. If you allowed the Pro to run games at 1080p using its full grunt, that would be a fair comparison.
Gamernyc78
the reason I’m stepping away for a while is simple, and during the night, I actually had that reason confirmed even more. While things were getting tougher than I would like last night, in the night I’ve had actual threats sent to me, people with no life, no clue and under some illusion that plastic boxes are life or death. I mean... that’s just sad, man. I’m still going to be posting on the forum, even here every so often, but I’m taking a step back. I stand by what I’ve said, and as I said to you all before, if it turns out bad info, i won’t be running off. I’m still here. You need to take a step back and see the bigger picture my friend, because when you get messages like I got last night that even include my daughter (twitter) then that’s a whoooooole different thing. But I’m still here, not running away like a bitch as you put in, which btw, is one of the reasons I’m no longer participating because people like you drive me mad.Just be good to each other, believe what you want, but talk common sense with this stuff. I’ll pop back up every so often.
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U62Charlie
Neo Member
When people get sick they sometimes shit...a lot...
TLZ
Banned
10% is very large. I'd imagine people who need IC are much less. On top of that the ones who die from that small % is even smaller. So honestly I don't see why it's being exaggerated. Again, I hope it's nothing as big as it's being made and all goes back to normal.
thurnishaleygw
Member
Yeah, some people I know are actually mad that they have to cancel some concerts (I live in Spain, things are ramping up here) for what they've called "something like the flu". And while technically they're not completely wrong, it still is a new disease that has no vaccine, that transmits really fast and, as you said, that can cause complications on health systems everywhere. That, and people with previous pathologies are a high risk group, same as the elders, so, you don't really wanna have it and infect somebody in those risk groups. It's not going to kill people by the millions, but we should all be aware that a pandemic is not only a health issue, it is also threatening the economy, so we should all take it seriously and follow the guidelines of the WHO or whatever measure any country puts in place.
Shambala
Member
About 5%
WhispersintheWind
Member
G GlassAwful I’ve spent a long time doing something that I enjoy, while also working other projects with other people that actually have released. I fail to see the connection? That’s like saying I can’t complete a jigsaw at home, because I professionally print them for others.
The two are not connected and you are reaching.
(Also, just for the record, it’s not a multiplayer mod for quake 2.if you dig a little deeper you would see it’s an engine rewrite from the ground up, with advanced lighting, physics and audio, and shares more in common with later is tech, technology wise.)
Just be good to each other, believe what you want, but talk common sense with this stuff. I’ll pop back up every so often.
Report and Block those who are sending threats. I know in some countries online threats can carry Criminal Charges. Be safe.
thurnishaleygw
Member
G GlassAwful I’ve spent a long time doing something that I enjoy, while also working other projects with other people that actually have released. I fail to see the connection? That’s like saying I can’t complete a jigsaw at home, because I professionally print them for others.
The two are not connected and you are reaching.
(Also, just for the record, it’s not a multiplayer mod for quake 2. If you dig a little deeper you would see it’s an engine rewrite from the ground up, with advanced lighting, physics and audio, and shares more in common with later id tech, technology wise.)
Just be good to each other, believe what you want, but talk common sense with this stuff. I’ll pop back up every so often.
That's fucked up. Not only threatening you, but your daughter? Some people are just utterly nuts. Hope that bullshit stops, stay safe.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Already done, thankfully only had one person who couldn’t type a sentence correctly, and another who was a little bit too graphic but was clearly a fake account. Both reported as I woke up.
It’s just not worth it, it’s vidya’ games. Stop being assholes to each other people. There will be things you agree with and things you don’t. If you can’t handle this, over a piece of plastic, I really worry how you handle real life.
ethomaz
Banned
WTF is happening.G GlassAwful I’ve spent a long time doing something that I enjoy, while also working other projects with other people that actually have released. I fail to see the connection? That’s like saying I can’t complete a jigsaw at home, because I professionally print them for others.
The two are not connected and you are reaching.
(Also, just for the record, it’s not a multiplayer mod for quake 2. If you dig a little deeper you would see it’s an engine rewrite from the ground up, with advanced lighting, physics and audio, and shares more in common with later id tech, technology wise.)
Just be good to each other, believe what you want, but talk common sense with this stuff. I’ll pop back up every so often.
People are really fucked up.
SegaSnatcher
Member
That low, damn.
Nickolaidas
Member
VFXVeteran has devolved into VFX!
VFX lost 'leaks'!
VFX lost 'inside info'!
VFX gained 'just an annoying mustard race fanboy from now on'!
It's not really effective.
FeiRR
Banned
Gavin Stevens
Speaking from experience of someone who ran mailing lists and community portals for computer enthusiasts, Internet threats aren't real. Those who send them are just cowards and wouldn't crawl out of their basements, let alone threaten anyone in real life. I mean, this is about people who fight over plastic boxes. Don't ever get involved in politics because then you might face real psychopaths.
bhunachicken
Member
DrDamn
Member
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Agreed.
But as I said previously, I enjoyed my riddles and the fun we all had, and I enjoy the tech talk and will continue to pop up and post a few bits in this thread (and others). That’s why I’m here, technology talk. And I had a unique position that I knew some details and could share what I knew. Sadly if those details don’t align with people, they take it too seriously, and also sadly, I have the wrath of both sides. (No the ps5 is 9tf! No the ps5 is over 13!). So it isn’t exactly “fun” anymore, not even to chat tech, not when people disregard common sense.
But i need to step back a bit, because while I can deal with the Gaf/era/internet trolls easy enough, the stuff ive had outside these sites has been a little bit too colourful for me. And as I said, once you involve my daughter... well... that’s a line drawn under it. I can’t be a part of that.
Ummm, errr ... auto carrot?
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TBiddy
Member
Sorry to hear that champ. I've thoroughly enjoyed your posts, and it saddens me to see that there are very active people in this thread who thinks you just needs to suck it up.
edit: fuck it. i'm gonna name and shame.
Gamernyc78
what the hell?
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