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MasterCornholio
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Isn't there someone on twitter that's trying to convince that the Lockhart is more powerful than the PS5? Because if something to do with DirectML if I'm not mistaken.
SportsFan581
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I don't imagine a lot games running at 1440p on the XSS.
I'm not a big believer in 8k on the XSX/PS5 either. I'm sure there will be some offerings, but probably not many. We might see some checkerboarding/TI to 1440 on XSS but that will probably be the extent of it.
Not the guy selling the toothpaste that cures covid again.
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MasterCornholio
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I don't imagine a lot games running at 1440p on the XSS.
I'm not a big believer in 8k on the XSX/PS5 either. I'm sure there will be some offerings, but probably not many. We might see some checkerboarding/TI to 1440 on XSS but that will probably be the extent of it.
I don't really believe in that 8K talk either. The XSS will be primarily a 1080P system while the other two will target 4K.
Delpij
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I think Sony has a specific plan for the US market, in terms of Supply Chain management. I highly doubt distribution will face the same challenges in Europe, and I’m expecting to be able to easily grab a console at my local shop, provided I can preorder it asap. UK’s a different beast, though.
saintjules
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Well, we're in a speculation thread. So anything to fill up these last 3000+ pages.
Thirty7ven
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True.
MasterCornholio
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Don't really remember the argument for the XSS but I believe it's if they used DirectML, VRS, SFS and other features they should be able to produce the same or superior image quality as the PS5 with better performance as well.
Maybe it was dealer?
HeisenbergFX4
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Faithless83
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"XSS vs PS5 difference is minimum" is the new "XSX vs PS5 difference is huge".
TheGreatWhiteShark
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thank you.
well, this is a video dating to E3 2019, and refers to "conversations across the year" since 2018 E3, and is pure hearsay about "concept".
the DF video I posted on previous page eventhough 6 months old is much more informed regarding the actual h/w, and provides some good testing scenarios.
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MasterCornholio
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"XSS vs PS5 difference is minimum" is the new "XSX vs PS5 difference is huge".
But the Teraflops
Nobody better be making that claim.
OrionNebula
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This guy has no clue what a receipt is and what’s it for
WhispersintheWind
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I’m sure Logistics have effected both sides. Yet I haven’t heard anything that says Microsoft is feeling the same effects as Sony is. I also don’t believe Logistics alone is what is causing or behind the PS5 Shortage at launch. I believe it’s a combination of things.
jose4gg
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They already knew everything about XSX and the idea of a lower-end console was going around from that moment, they started to discuss the idea with every developer, and no one, they say, no one liked the idea of supporting a device with that much power difference, I understand Lockhard have a nice CPU and all the other parts of XSX, but the difference in power is 1/4 sooner than later, this will be a pain in the ass for developers.
MasterCornholio
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Just weird that Sony upped the production if they are having manufacturing issues.
Are you saying there's a possible RROD situation with the PS5?
WelshBluebird
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Hold on, what shortage at launch? Haven't Sony said they have boosted production to have more units available at launch? Any talk about a shortage is just bull at the moment.
WhispersintheWind
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I agree. I think 8K talk of Xbox Series X and PS5 is about Media of movies and maybe Netflix, YouTube at some point. Maybe even upscale 8K gaming. But there is no way they are doing 8K native gaming with modern games. Maybe a 8K remastered Pac Man...lol
megreotsugua
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Don't worry about PS5 upscaling. UE5 demo was running at 1440p resolution but DF couldn't count the pixels at all. It's that good.
Epic says it has to do with their implementation of TAA. But I have a feeling they are hiding something about PS5 upscaling. Epic couldn't speak about it because of NDA.
Spider-man Miles Morales is 4k whether in performance mode or graphics mode. I say both are upscale 4k. It's a waste of gpu power to render 4k natively if the PS5 upscaler is so good that you wouldn't notice a difference. (Perhaps the difference will be on RT or lighting.)
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What are you all talking about jim "money hat" ryan snapped his fingers and doubled production I was told. This is purely to cut out retail a move monopolies make to cut out everyone possible to maximize profit and crush competition
mancs
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games and innovation will win out.
no matter what the cost or floppy woppies....
or how small or large a console is , ..
the games , and innovation from game designers, and new peripherals will make the difference.
with that said , i expect sony to be on top in that respect, over both pc , n box , like in the past from p1 onwards.
they will come out, gunz blazing ,with info and games, maybe even a p5 pro drop?? and re evaluation of digital p5 price, to compete with series s? psvr2.
custom made cerny power , do not underestimate... the cerny.
no matter what the cost or floppy woppies....
or how small or large a console is , ..
the games , and innovation from game designers, and new peripherals will make the difference.
with that said , i expect sony to be on top in that respect, over both pc , n box , like in the past from p1 onwards.
they will come out, gunz blazing ,with info and games, maybe even a p5 pro drop?? and re evaluation of digital p5 price, to compete with series s? psvr2.
custom made cerny power , do not underestimate... the cerny.
ethomaz
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Denial or bargain phase? lol
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kyliethicc
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Casual gamers only play certain games, like Call of Duty, sports games, Fortnite, etc.
Most casual focused games that sell big will not be on Game Pass or will be free to play (but not really on Xbox.)
Game Pass offers appeal to hardcore gamers who want to play lots of different games.
Why would a casual gamer even pay for games if they can play COD WZ, GTA online, Fortnite, Rocket League, Apex, etc all for free?
Or there are some casuals who just buy FIFA and play that all year until the next game comes out.
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WhispersintheWind
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I haven’t heard anything with related to issues of Hardware of Retail PS5s. Only issues I heard where with Debug Consoles.
Yes they recently up production , and Production goal estimates. Still Wasn’t enough alone for the shortage at launch. I heard Microsoft was ahead In production. That Sony was behind for a lil while because of supply issues. You added supply issues to the logistical issues and you have a shortage for a worldwide launch for the first few months. Is my opinionated view.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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How can you say this, when in the video you posted, just 30 seconds before your bookmark they were both laughing at the idea of XSX having hardware assisted raytracing?
Probably because microsoft talked about nextgen in PLURAL at e3 2018, while they talked SINGULAR (only about series X) next year at E32019, in this video they make the assumption that microsoft's two console project was dead.
Its clear this video is from a time period where DF -and everyone else's- knowledge about nextgen was very limited and at a point very far to what itis now.
See the video I linked above. its 6 months old, but Leadbetter -unlike the e3 2019 video- is not laughing at all.
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Lol it would sell out at 549.99 in the EU alone with ease the Sony mindshare is unprecedented outside apple.
WhispersintheWind
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Yes PS5 is rumored to be shortage for worldwide launch. So if you want a PS5 at launch make sure you Pre Order.
Thirty7ven
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Have you ever heard a positive PS5 rumor and a negative XS rumor?
HeisenbergFX4
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BGs
Industry Professional
Get used to 2s launches.
Leak from me :
CBP2077 also launch under 2s on PS5 even right now ( i've been told by a friend there is some requirment from Sony for developers to make sure their game can be launched under 2s, maybeBGs can confirm it ), not so fast on XSX even with fast resume feature.
Personally I am not aware of this "obligation". I'll ask.
Edit.- I speak in reference to the "requirement".
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MasterCornholio
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I also would like to know if he's heard anything positive about the PS5. It can't be always bad news.
Nickolaidas
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BUH ... BUH BUH ... BUH ASTRO PLAYROOM 7 SECOND LOADSCREEN BUH BUH BUH!!!
jose4gg
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From a business perspective, there is nothing to laugh about XSS is a great deal, for a lot of people, your second video talks about if it can run next-gen games, yea, of course, it can...
Can it last 7 years (a generation) Without making the life of developers a nightmare? that's why developers are telling, they have always been limited with these types of scenarios, and no one likes them...
azertydu91
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Yes because according to some about 250% is a closer difference than about 18%.It's obvious once you wear those biased glasses.Are people actually saying the difference between the XsS and PS5 is small?
Entroyp
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Absolutely this, XsX is great value for gamers right now at the expense of some minor developer headaches later on.
Tripolygon
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What I find fascinating is someone just pages back tried to make a case for COD MW on Xbox One X was a huge difference from PS4 Pro. Without any sense of irony, making the case for the opposite when the difference is significantly more than just 10.28TF vs 4TF. There's a lot more difference than just TF as Xbox One X and PS4 Pro shows. There is Bandwidth difference, pixel fill rate, culling, rasterization, cache, Ray triangle intersection rate, etc.
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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same cpu as series x, ssd, rdna2 gpu but with a lower resolution target, I do not really see any problems.
But you won't see just those two. Especially during cross-gen time. You'll see PS4, PS4 Pro, PS5, PS5 DE, XBS, XBS DE, XBX, XSS, XSX
WelshBluebird
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They are supposed to be making more PS5s for launch than there were PS4s. There is no "shortage". Sure it will probably sell out at launch but don't most consoles?
Dabaus
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I get your point and think you are correct in that statement, but thats not the point i was making.
WhispersintheWind
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I haven’t really heard anything negative about the PS5. A shortage doesn’t mean anything negative. With Covid it raises some roadblocks. Long term shouldn’t be an issue.
As for your Xbox comment I just reported in the last week or so. Devs have said that Velocity Architecture was taking a moment for them to master. Many layers like and onion. That also there has been issues with dev API on PCs emulating some Of some of the features Xbox Series X/S has baked into the APU. Leading to why you haven’t seen a lot of games running on Xbox Series X or why that haven’t ran while in demos on PC emulating Xbox Series X. For example Halo Infinite.
Once again. For the record. I don’t get into Fanboy wars or console warrior mentality. I just share what I’m told second hand. As you can see I own all consoles and game on all consoles and PC. Because I’m a gamer. I love to play games!
jose4gg
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¿So the only thing you think MS can do with 8 more TF is to increment the resolution and the framerate?
8 more TF, just to play at higher resolution and better framerate (maybe, really highly dependent on the CPU), remember the number, 8TF...
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megreotsugua
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Will Sony devs including 3rd party devs make their games on PS5 with native 4k if PS5 upscaling method is so good that DF couldn't tell the difference?
Why is Spider-man Miles Morales kept its 4K resolution even in performance mode of 60fps? Isn't the better way to increase performance is by lowering resolution?
Or maybe Spider-man Miles Morales graphics mode is not rendered in native 4k in the first place. Hence there is no point lowering the 4K resolution when it is just upscaled even on the graphics mode. If true, this speaks volume about the robustness of PS5 upscaler which has yet to be revealed.
Why is Spider-man Miles Morales kept its 4K resolution even in performance mode of 60fps? Isn't the better way to increase performance is by lowering resolution?
Or maybe Spider-man Miles Morales graphics mode is not rendered in native 4k in the first place. Hence there is no point lowering the 4K resolution when it is just upscaled even on the graphics mode. If true, this speaks volume about the robustness of PS5 upscaler which has yet to be revealed.
WhispersintheWind
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They are supposed to make more in the first 6 months. Yet Covid, supply issue though resolved fairly quickly and Logistics will make it short supply for first month or two. Also the demand and hype for console are greater then they was last generation launch.
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