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[mckmas8808]

So how much RAM is in the XSS? I thought it was 12 GBs of RAM. If it's 16 GBs, then color me surprised.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Thanks for the info. Do we know what framerate this game runs at on PS5?

You're welcome. Nothing mentioned in that regard in the article.

 

[chilichote]

So how much RAM is in the XSS? I thought it was 12 GBs of RAM. If it's 16 GBs, then color me surprised.

According to the rumors 10GB.

 

[hemo memo]

i think ps5 DE price will be 349

$399 is the lowest they can probably go with PS5 specs. Still an amazing price for what you get. It matches the “value” Sony talked about it. PS5 Digital should not be compared to the lowest and weak XSS.

 

[Thirty7ven]

I remember this.

Most of it is wrong.

 

[MasterCornholio]

GameInformer - The Final Level

EDIT:

Hats? Microtransactions confirmed!!!!!!

 

[Nickolaidas]

Fuck yes - Ninja Gaiden revival on the PS5 is imminent!!

 

[Chromata]

Don't forget to factor in the games. Even if Sony releases the PS5 DE at $450, you still need to shell out $60 for a game.

As it stands, $25 a month for a console + game pass is excellent value. You'll never have to spend more than that.

 

[kyliethicc]

So how much RAM is in the XSS? I thought it was 12 GBs of RAM. If it's 16 GBs, then color me surprised.

Its 10 GB.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Its 10 GB.

Is it a weird configuration like the XSX?

 

[kyliethicc]

Don't forget to factor in the games. Even if Sony releases the PS5 DE at $450, you still need to shell out $60 for a game.

As it stands, $25 a month for a console + game pass is excellent value. You'll never have to spend more than that.

Unless you want most of the great games. Very few of the greats are on GP.

 

[kyliethicc]

Is it a weird configuration like the XSX?

I suspect. Tom Warren says its 10 GB total, 7.5 usable.

So 192 bit bus, with 2 GB x4 + 1 GB x2 = 10 GB total via 6 GDDR6 chips.

split bandwidth like XSX.
6 GB @ 336 GB/s
4 GB @ 224 GB/s (2.5 of this is for OS)

 

[mckmas8808]

According to the rumors 10GB.

Oh WOW! Do we know how much is usable? 8 GBs?

 

[saintjules]

HeisenbergFX4

I can’t 100% confirm this. That’s why I tagged the Lovely HeisenburgFX4. This isn’t even second hand info. This is more like 4th Hand info. So please take this as a rumor for now. If HeisenbergFX4 can check with his sources to verify or see if they have hard this rumor or whisper. So please don’t attack me. Just passing on what I heard from somebody that heard it from somebody else second hand.

The reason you haven’t heard the Price of the PS5 yet is because Sony is Working to Secure A reliable transport method for shipping. Because of Covid they haven’t been able to lock down for certain a big enough distribution chain world wide. I was also told because of the shortage at launch you will not be able to walk into a game store and buy a PS5. Most of all preorders will be handled by Sony and Sony only. It will be 2021 before PS5 is made available regularly on store shelves. With a small to slim chance in mid December for stores to have them for walk in purchases. I was also told the PS5 price is rumored to be $549.99 and 449.99 for PS5 DE. I was told the price was because of the cooling system and the Controller. I don’t know exactly what the details are on how and why. He also said what we already know that it is a staggered world wide release.

I would like to remind you this a rumor coming from 4th hand info. Though the person that told me this does work in the industry for a big 3rd Party studio. He joined my party and told me this while I was playing Marvel Avengers. Please don’t shot the messenger!

Interesting stuff. Understanding it's just a rumor for now - only Sony to manage pre-orders until 2021 is where I get the concern. If that's the case, then a majority of us won't get one right away because of that player activity stuff. But to be fair, they haven't said how much activity on your account was required to be qualified for a unit.

 

[kyliethicc]

Oh WOW! Do we know how much is usable? 8 GBs?

7.5

 

[MasterCornholio]

I suspect. Tom Warren says its 10 GB total, 7.5 usable.

So 192 bit bus, with 2 GB x4 + 1 GB x2 = 10 GB total via 6 GDDR6 chips.

split bandwidth like XSX.
6 GB @ 336 GB/s
4 GB @ 224 GB/s (2.5 of this is for OS)

Cost issues?

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

I dont give a dime about "insiders", but DF actually had an in-depth article 6 months ago showing how a supossed hartlock at 1440p would be very competitive with a supposed ps5 at 4k, and outperform it when in lower than 1440p hartlock scenarios

Here we go lads, FUD marketing already in full swing for Series S: it'll 'outperform the PS5 in lower than 1440p scenarios'.

 

[mckmas8808]

I suspect. Tom Warren says its 10 GB total, 7.5 usable.

So 192 bit bus, with 2 GB x4 + 1 GB x2 = 10 GB total via 6 GDDR6 chips.

split bandwidth like XSX.
6 GB @ 336 GB/s
4 GB @ 224 GB/s (2.5 of this is for OS)

Oh GET THE HECK outta here with those specs! And people want Sony to sell the PS5DE for $50 more than XSS? This is a pure 1080p console through and through.

 

[zaitsu]

Here we go lads, FUD marketing already in full swing for Series S: it'll 'outperform the PS5 in lower than 1440p scenarios'.

That makes no sense XD
On same graphical settings

If
XSS 1080p@30 fps -> PS5,XSX 1080p@60 FPS / 1440@30 FPS. / 4K 30 FPS (not native)
XSS 1080p@60 fps / 1440p@30 fps -> PS5,XSX 1080p@120 FPS / 1440p@60 fps / 4K 30 FPS (native)
XSS 1080p@120 fps / 1440p@60 fps / 4K 30 FPS -> PS5,XSX 1080p@240 FPS / 1440p@120 fps / 4K 60 FPS (native)

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

Here we go lads, FUD marketing already in full swing for Series S: it'll 'outperform the PS5 in lower than 1440p scenarios'.

here you go:



also, I am still waiting for anyone to pass me a link where DF were saying that devs do not want series s.
I tried searching to find it myself, but no success

 

[MasterCornholio]

Here we go lads, FUD marketing already in full swing for Series S: it'll 'outperform the PS5 in lower than 1440p scenarios'.

No the XSS won't outperform the PS5 and especially not for 299$.

 

[mckmas8808]

7.5

Do you happen to remember what the bandwidth was on the PS5's RAM? Isn't it 450 GB/s for the whole 16 GBs of RAM? Or was I just dreaming?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Oh GET THE HECK outta here with those specs! And people want Sony to sell the PS5DE for $50 more than XSS? This is a pure 1080p console through and through.

And Xbox is pushing 1440p @ high frame rates

Then again before Xbox One X launched they said it would be the worlds first HDMI 2.1 product capable of 4k 120hz and people bought that too.

 

[Entroyp]

Here we go lads, FUD marketing already in full swing for Series S: it'll 'outperform the PS5 in lower than 1440p scenarios'.

How would that even be possible?

Maybe there will be no games lower than 1440p on PS5 so the S wins by default?

 

[SportsFan581]

Interesting stuff. Understanding it's just a rumor for now - only Sony to manage pre-orders until 2021 is where I get the concern. If that's the case, then a majority of us won't get one right away because of that player activity stuff. But to be fair, they haven't said how much activity on your account was required to be qualified for a unit.

I just can't see Sony back handing retail like that. Those kind of moves can be bridge burning to say the least, I guess we'll see what happens.

With that said, it might be easier for MS to hit retail because they have the second sku that requires less nand, dram, tiny apu, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if only a limited number of XSX units get released in comparison to the XSS units at launch.

 

[MasterCornholio]

How would that even be possible?

DLSS with tensor cores.

 

[Metroiddarks]

 

[WhispersintheWind]

Interesting stuff. Understanding it's just a rumor for now - only Sony to manage pre-orders until 2021 is where I get the concern. If that's the case, then a majority of us won't get one right away because of that player activity stuff. But to be fair, they haven't said how much activity on your account was required to be qualified for a unit.

My interpretation of what he was saying is majority of the pre orders at launch will be handle by Sony. I don’t know if he means US Launch or the whole world wide. Though he did state mid December would probably be the earliest and a small/slim chance that a few could be on store shelves. Believing 2021 being when the product sits on the shelf at retail for walk ins.

 

[MasterCornholio]

My interpretation of what he was saying is majority of the pre orders at launch will be handle by Sony. I don’t know if he means US Launch or the whole world wide. Though he did state mid December would probably be the earliest and a small/slim chance that a few could be on store shelves. Believing 2021 being when the product sits on the shelf at retail for walk ins.

Logistics is something that can hit both of them pretty hard due to Covid. We will have to see what happens.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

No the XSS won't outperform the PS5 and especially not for 299$.

reading comprehension would be great.
testing scenarios were hypothetical performance of heartlock at 1440p , while 4k on the other machine.
according to DF this is close enough, and at a range between 1080p-1440p heartlock would perform very dandy.
see the video above

 

[Entroyp]

DLSS with tensor cores.

Ah yea, next we will hear it beats the 3070 at taking fast food orders

 

[SportsFan581]

How would that even be possible?

Maybe there will be no games lower than 1440p on PS5 so the S wins by default?

I'm assuming people are referring to the XSS being more performant @ 1080p vs. XSX and PS5 @ 4k. That is certainly possible. It happens a lot in the PC space where a high-end card gets less frames @ 4k than a budget part @ 1080p.

 

[Entroyp]

I'm assuming people are referring to the XSS being more performant @ 1080p vs. XSX and PS5 @ 4k. That is certainly possible. It happens a lot in the PC space where a high-end card gets less frames @ 4k than a budget part @ 1080p.

Interesting

 

[xHunter]

Here we go lads, FUD marketing already in full swing for Series S: it'll 'outperform the PS5 in lower than 1440p scenarios'.

I guess TFs dont matter after all

 

[MasterCornholio]

reading comprehension would be great.
testing scenarios were hypothetical performance of heartlock at 1440p , while 4k on the other machine.
according to DF this is close enough, and at a range between 1080p-1440p heartlock would perform very dandy.
see the video above

Ah yea, next we will hear it beats the 3070 at taking fast food orders

But the thing is not every game will be a native 4K on the PS5. Plus there will be Performance modes in some titles as well. Basically the PS5 will have better performance than the XSS at an equivalent resolution and even higher resolutions.

I'm assuming people are referring to the XSS being more performant @ 1080p vs. XSX and PS5 @ 4k. That is certainly possible. It happens a lot in the PC space where a high-end card gets less frames @ 4k than a budget part @ 1080p.

That makes sense but developers can always have a performance mode that plays the game at 60FPS or higher on the more powerful systems.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

I'm assuming people are referring to the XSS being more performant @ 1080p vs. XSX and PS5 @ 4k. That is certainly possible. It happens a lot in the PC space where a high-end card gets less frames @ 4k than a budget part @ 1080p.

Hey,at least one person in this page knows how to read. That's something

 

[Tripolygon]

Oh GET THE HECK outta here with those specs! And people want Sony to sell the PS5DE for $50 more than XSS? This is a pure 1080p console through and through.

Did a little comparison based on what we know and some speculation. I really don't think XSX is a good deal if PS5 Digital comes out at $399.

 

[Killer Sakoman]

Does anyone think that the tempest engine can be utilized for a DLSS type of upscaling? Isn't SPU similar to tensor cores?

 

[kyliethicc]

Cost issues?

Well IDK. I think both consoles were originally designed for more memory. I assume memory costs got higher than they wanted.

20 GB for XSX and 12 GB for XSS would make the most sense for 320 and 192 bit interfaces and would give unified bandwidth foe both consoles.

Naturally, a next gen leap would be more than just 4 or 2 more GB of memory. It'd be this:

One X - 12 GB, 384 bit bus, 326 GB/s unified bandwidth
Series X - 20 GB, 320 bit bus, 560 GB/s unified bandwidth

One S - 8 GB, 256 bit bus, 68 GB/s unified bandwidth
Series S - 12 GB, 192 bit bus, 336 GB/s unified bandwidth

Looks like that would have cost too much and so they cut down to just 16 and 10 and ended up with split bandwidth.

 

[Delpij]

So basically, XSS might be a default, forced hardware-based performance mode for all Xbox games moving forward. Big if true.

 

[zaitsu]

Did a little comparison based on what we know and some speculation. I really don't think XSX is a good deal if PS5 Digital comes out at $399.

People buying XSS would only look at price. No way around it.

 

[SportsFan581]

That makes sense but developers can always have a performance mode that plays the game at 60FPS or higher on the more powerful systems.

Absolutely, that would be one of many perks associated with owning the higher specced system.

 

[kyliethicc]

Do you happen to remember what the bandwidth was on the PS5's RAM? Isn't it 450 GB/s for the whole 16 GBs of RAM? Or was I just dreaming?

448 unified yup.

 

[Dodkrake]

Amazon announced a PS5 wall mount to be released on November the 19th.

PS5 Wall Mount By Floating Grip - White (PS5/) - PlayStation 5

Buy PS5 Wall Mount By Floating Grip - White (PS5/) at Amazon.

www.amazon.co.uk

Seems like the PS5 mau release just before that?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Absolutely, that would be one of many perks associated with owning the higher specced system.

I can imagine the game on the XSS being 1440P 30FPs while in the more powerful systems it will be 1440P at the least with 60FPs or more. Doesn't make sense for the Lockhart to outperform the XSX or the PS5 in any situation.

 

[saintjules]

I just can't see Sony back handing retail like that. Those kind of moves can be bridge burning to say the least, I guess we'll see what happens.

With that said, it might be easier for MS to hit retail because they have the second sku that requires less nand, dram, tiny apu, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if only a limited number of XSX units get released in comparison to the XSS units at launch.

Completely agree. re: Sony - I think stores like Gamestop are going to really get limited supply from the feelings of it. Might have to be a quick pre-order slot grab as doors open.

 

[Chromata]

Unless you want most of the great games. Very few of the greats are on GP.

Yup, I think this is a huge proposition for casual/value gamers that don't care about waiting and just want to pick up a controller and play anything decent.

The more enthusiast crowd who want specific titles and a launch day experience will probably still run with Sony.

 

[ethomaz]

When the usual suspects thinks...

Xbox One Series S 4TFs is closer to PS5 10.3TFs than PS5 10.3TFs to Xbox One Series X 12TFs.

People really have weird thinking.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

But the thing is not every game will be a native 4K on the PS5. Plus there will be Performance modes in some titles as well. Basically the PS5 will have better performance than the XSS at an equivalent resolution and even higher resolutions.

as I already said, lockhart 1440p performance appears to be very close to a 10.2tf machine at 4K
the performance difference when comparing 1080p lockhart to (insert console here) at 4k is massive, almost double the framerates

so, if we take as "native" points for these two machines 1)1440p for lockhart and 2) 4k for the other,
when one uses reconstruction for 4k, the other may use reconstruction for its native (1440p) target too.
the massive performance delta at 1080p is a clear indication that lockhart's reconstruction will not be too much lower than 1440p in order to match.
ie, it wont be 720p reconstructed, in fact it seems like it would be clearly in the range of 1080p-1440p, as I originally said.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Interesting stuff. Understanding it's just a rumor for now - only Sony to manage pre-orders until 2021 is where I get the concern. If that's the case, then a majority of us won't get one right away because of that player activity stuff. But to be fair, they haven't said how much activity on your account was required to be qualified for a unit.

Another wild and senseless rumor.