Neo Blaster
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I guarantee you when casual Joe look at 299 vs 499, he'll care a lot.
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Zoro7
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Ofcourse there are. I know someone that bought an iPhone XR thinking it was the 11. People aren't as tech savvy as you / forum members here. People will get confused with the PS5 DE too, that is easier to explain though.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I would agree with this if Xbox naming made sense.
Comparing phones that launch every year and are usually numbered accordingly to console launches that the branding is confusing to especially parents is silly.
Those of us who read these forums know the differences.
3liteDragon
Member
Notice how they took out the $299 price label and just put the release date.
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kyliethicc
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You can add additional storage to play PS5 games with an off the shelf internal M.2 NVMe SSD that fits in the PS5 expansion bay and is supported by the PS5. We do not know which ones will be supported. They will need to be around 7 GB/s read speed and PCIe Gen 4x4. I suspect the supported form factor will be M.2 2280.
Other than that, no. Only the internal. External HDDs work for PS4 games.
kyliethicc
Member
Apple launched the 10th iPhone as iPhone X and I have pretty much only heard people call it "iPhone ex" not 10. Even Apple employees selling the phones called it the wrong name.
Names matter. I know someone who bought a Wii U because they thought the gamepad connected to their Wii and then didn't know it was a new system.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
Do you have a link?
also
most people interested in console gaming know or are able to understand the difference between an xbone S and an xbone X.
I think it won't be that difficult to figure out the series S - series X differences
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FunkMiller
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XBox Alpha and XBox Beta would have been the kind of consistent naming they could have done with. But consistent naming would probably give away that one console is markedly inferior to the other, which is exactly what they don’t want people to realise.
People WILL be confused by the naming system. I do this shit for a living, and branding two distinct products with names that don’t have clear signifiers never works out well. Not when it’s never been done well before in the market.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Naming is huge.
You walk up to random people and ask which they think is newer an iPhone 8 or iPhone 11 and I bet a majority guess the higher number.
Ask those same people which one is newer an Xbox One S, Xbox One X, Xbox Series X or Xbox Series S and the average person wont be able to answer that.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
First off many people here seen John and Richard discussing this on one of their first videos discussing Lockhart
Second I simply don't have the time to go find a video most of us saw to prove what we did in fact see.
Sinthor
Gold Member
I agree, this naming is too complex and will confuse consumers and likely some salespeople as well. Imagine being Mr. non-gamer dad... You go to find little Timmy a game console he's been wanting since he was 5. Now that he's 10, you think he can handle it. So Xbox....Microsoft right? Good. Hmm...Series S, Series X (not to mention if a store still has XB1X and/or XBO). Ok....so Series S is less expensive- cool! But is it good enough to do what Timmy wants? Sales says ok in this case...cool! Wait a second...my kid has to buy all their games online? Like download everything? I can control that but...no disks? So those cheap games I saw when I went in the GameStop to start learning about this stuff a few weeks ago won't work? Unless their for THIS model, right? No....any model will work but no disk games.....what? Ok...and now you're not even SURE the sales guy was saying this was ok and would do what that expensive Series X will. I mean, if that were true...why would it be $200 more? So parents will likely go with the "cheap" option and call it a day, or go back home empty-handed and try to figure out what they should do.
I don't think this will work out as well as MS is thinking. I hope it does well...but I just don't see it. Maybe that's why I'm not in Marketing, right?
MarkMe2525
Banned
Someone correct me if I'm off base with this. The 512 GB SSD in the series s is why Microsoft has made such a big deal about smart delivery. In theory, with lower texture sizes and machine learning upscaling, should we expect to fit roughly the same amount of games on a series s as a series x?
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Empire Strikes Back
Member
Naming is one of the reason Xperia never took off, at least IMO. When you have phones “numbered” with letters and you start mixing them, things get complicated.
Thirty7ven
Banned
There will be no confusion, one is more powerful than the other, and the more powerful one has a disk drive.
I’m excited to see which system is going to be the sales driver 6 months in. My dollar is on XSS. I expect the XSX to become as relevant as the 1X... good for Digital Foundry, but my prediction is it will end up at 25% of total units sold in 5 years time.
Sony has a fight in their hands for the NA and UK market, unless they are very aggressive with the DE edition. At 399$, it’s a lock.
I’m excited to see which system is going to be the sales driver 6 months in. My dollar is on XSS. I expect the XSX to become as relevant as the 1X... good for Digital Foundry, but my prediction is it will end up at 25% of total units sold in 5 years time.
Sony has a fight in their hands for the NA and UK market, unless they are very aggressive with the DE edition. At 399$, it’s a lock.
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hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Exactly haha he’s been trolling for a long time now.
sojuwarrior
Member
why are they releasing on a tuesday? is it normal
Empire Strikes Back
Member
You can play the PS4 version of games on PS5 for free, but some games might be broken (a very rare case scenario as Sony expect 3,900+ games to run just fine). What publishers can do is charge you for a upgrade to a PS5 version of a game, but up to this point the majority of publishers seems to be ok with a free upgrade. Biggest offenders are Activision, 505 and 2K.
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hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Yes for sure. The majority of PS4 games will be playable. That’s BC. A greedy publisher would only ask money for an upgrade. Not for the PS4 version of the game.
saintjules
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Seems the Xbox One X was also released on a Tuesday (November 7, 2017), even though it was a mid-refresh.
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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that's cool. maybe someone else can provide the link?
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
MasterCornholio
Member
Is this about the Xbox Series S being a problem for some developers? I think Jason also mentioned it in one of his tweets.
MarkMe2525
Banned
I want to give you an anecdotal experience I have selling phones. I'll use the iPhone lineup as that was also your example.
Iphone se
Iphone x
Iphone xr
Iphone xs
Iphone xs max
Iphone 11
Iphone 11 pro
Iphone 11 pro max.
In my experiences, unless the customer is seriously out of their depth (old lol), customers know what they want and have no issues finding the iPhone that they want to purchase.
Now this is generally speaking of course, you'll always have your exceptions.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
I dont care about jason (schreier?) at all.
And I am also aware that many months ago, when developers had only a software profile on series X devkit to develop and test for series S, some of them were getting mixed. but xbox series S devkits have been shipped since a long time ago.
kyliethicc
Member
Or maybe.... Xbox 4 and Xbox 4 Pro. You know. Simple.
saintjules
Member
I remember this.
FunkMiller
Banned
Yep. But they couldn’t have their box numbered lower than Sony! That’s what led to the stupid decision to call XBox One that. When that’s the psychology you’re working from, you’re on your back foot before you’ve even got out of the gate.
XBox has constantly compared itself to Playstation since 2013. If you’re letting the competition guide your decisions, you’re in the toilet.
kyliethicc
Member
Almost all of that leaked info is wrong.
kyliethicc
Member
Yup that was why they called it 360. It had 3 in it. Like PS3. Xbox 2 would sound bad somehow? Silly.
MasterCornholio
Member
I remember that as well but some of its changed. Like the ram amount and the size of the SSD in the Lockhart. In addition it appears the launch titles are different. They claim that Killer Instinct 2 and Perfect Dark are launch titles but we haven't seen those yet. Maybe in the next event we will.
FranXico
Member
External drives can only be used for PS4 games.
Insane Metal
Member
Yeah, no. That has 12GB for the XSS at 249, also 1TB SSD, and PS5 at 8TF and 399.
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Sounds good, that was the impression I got.
Follow-up question, even without any upgrade from the developer side can we expect some console improvements in playing a PS4 version in a PS5?
I'll give the example of Borderlands 3 menus that are super slow even in my PS4 Pro, could PS5 provide us with more stable PS4 versions of games?
Agnostic2020
Member
Its 80% wrong other than 12 tf and 4 tf .
MasterCornholio
Member
That part I believe is just FUD. I believe this leak was created by some of Tim Dog.
danielJackson
Banned
Nobody I know owns iphone and im not interested in them.
So I would guess that 11 pro max is the best one or big&best version
From x series I would not know which is best and which is worst, if they were in random order, I would guess that xr is best as it sounds better than xs which sounds "extra small/weak" version and "se" sounds some cheap edition
So yeah, shitty naming because it is not obvious Even to nerd like me.
Good naming is super easy to see in one glare that which is newest / best one or its function
Ps 1
Ps2
Ps3
Ps4
Ps4 pro
Ps5
Ps5 digital edition
SportsFan581
Member
I agree, this naming is too complex and will confuse consumers and likely some salespeople as well. Imagine being Mr. non-gamer dad... You go to find little Timmy a game console he's been wanting since he was 5. Now that he's 10, you think he can handle it. So Xbox....Microsoft right? Good. Hmm...Series S, Series X (not to mention if a store still has XB1X and/or XBO). Ok....so Series S is less expensive- cool! But is it good enough to do what Timmy wants? Sales says ok in this case...cool! Wait a second...my kid has to buy all their games online? Like download everything? I can control that but...no disks? So those cheap games I saw when I went in the GameStop to start learning about this stuff a few weeks ago won't work? Unless their for THIS model, right? No....any model will work but no disk games.....what? Ok...and now you're not even SURE the sales guy was saying this was ok and would do what that expensive Series X will. I mean, if that were true...why would it be $200 more? So parents will likely go with the "cheap" option and call it a day, or go back home empty-handed and try to figure out what they should do.
I don't think this will work out as well as MS is thinking. I hope it does well...but I just don't see it. Maybe that's why I'm not in Marketing, right?
Honestly, you probably just shouldn't shop for anything if options get you this twisted up. MS has an X series and an S series, It's not that hard.
Seriously though, I wouldn't have gone with series but a new name, Xbox Something S|X. People would know that Xbox Something was what you were looking to get. Just because Sony is boring with names doesn't mean everyone else has to use numbers. Look at Sega/Atari/Nintendo etc.
MarkMe2525
Banned
These aren't necessarily mutually exclusive statements. Both can be true. It may be able to run very well at lower resolutions and whatever developers that DF spoke with may prefer not to work with it. To be honest, it doesn't really matter much what the developer want as the market will decide what platforms they focus on.
Entroyp
Member
It’s Arthur Gies.. being wrong is what he does best.
MarkMe2525
Banned
So you walk up to the counter and see series s and series x. One is 299 and one is 499. I don't think anyone is going to be confused on which one is the premium SKU.
Btw, the xs is a higher end sku than the xr.
FranXico
Member
He's proud of that fake leak? Practically everything in there is wrong.
It's like Githubbers who still preach about it when the only thing that didn't change was the CU count.
Vae_Victis
Banned
Going by the little we have been told (and it was 6 months ago):
It's not up to publishers to allow for PS4 games to run on PS5. PS5 aims to be backwards compatible with PS4 on a system level.
That said, compatibility with all PS4 games is non 100% guaranteed, especially at launch. Cerny said Sony was focusing on making sure as a first step that the 100 most played PS4 games would run on PS5, so unless something changed that's what you should expect immediately. This doesn't mean that no other PS4 game will run on PS5, but that there is no immediate guarantee for the others.
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ethomaz
Banned
Well that doesn't change the big L the other guy take trying to deny it lol
WhispersintheWind
Member
Thank You. I understand the part about being told what they want to tell you.
kyliethicc
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Why isn't the black vent flush? Why not just make the box a millimeter thicker and flush with the vent?
Empire Strikes Back
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Yes. Just like the Pro can run some games smoother than the PS4. It's even better if the game has an uncapped framerate or dynamic res mode. I also believe there'll be a boost mode just like the Pro has, but I'm not sure.
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