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That doesn't sound fake, SX specs were correct, SS specs were almost on spot, PS5 specs at least on the more reliable rumors could trace back into this, and all the games rumor/official are listed before they were even talked, also spot on with Forza being the RT showcase.
FranXico
Member
How lovely to see media outlets taking sides and actively helping MS bait Sony by repeating a SX price that wasn't confirmed at all.
kyliethicc
Member
Almost all that info was wrong.
MarkMe2525
Banned
Are you for real?
No one is keeping score my guy.
Top_Gunner_82
Member
I’d imagine to try discourage people putting things in top and blocking the big fanWhy isn't the black vent flush? Why not just make the box a millimeter thicker and flush with the vent?
ethomaz
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So why did you reply to my post replying to some guy that tried to deny it?Are you for real?
I mean what you wrote was a reply to my first post not the reply to him... unless you were trying to defense control what he said so my reply to you is right.
I don't even disagree with what you said.
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Neo Blaster
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You're forgetting what Cerny referred as 'Boost Mode', games that will gain some benefit(res/fps and other stuff) even if there's no patch from the publisher. On March, he said they were focusing on testing this mode for the 100 most played games, but up to 4k titles can run at Pro mode at best(depends on testing too, of course).
zufuel
Member
I guess this time Microsoft is donating more $$
Where?
MarkMe2525
Banned
Because your rebuttal hinged on if those two statements were mutually exclusive. I was informing you that they were not. There is no win or lose in this. Your argument was based on a fallicy of logic and I was trying to inform you of that. He probably is just as guilty.
ethomaz
Banned
Specs, games, others things... all wrong.
He got like 10% of he write right... is that enough?
ethomaz
Banned
Neo Blaster
Member
Yes, but notice how someone gave an example about a customer buying XR thinking it was a X. One can't go wrong using numbers and names easily perceived as upgrades(pro, pro max), but how can one expect regular people to know which one is better among X, XR and XS without previous research?
MarkMe2525
Banned
Ok... I'm not doing this. You know what you were doing.
LucidFlux
Member
Exactly. Granted they face an almost impossible task naming these two devices. They've not stuck with a number convention before, nor could they have simply gone with Xbox 4 for obvious reasons.
They already had the S/X qualifiers in use which is fine and dandy to signify your low/top end products but now it's essentially become a part of the product name. Series isn't a name on its own, but I feel like they've painted themselves into a corner now because where does it go from here?
Does it become Series 2 X, or Series X - 2, or do they start over yet again. I think they could have gone with something more abstract and whimsical if they're moving away from numbers, but I'm done wracking my brain over it.
Side bar, we've had early prototypes come to us with the most ridiculous names thought up by product or sales teams. My favorite was "Flow Stick" which when presented to my team triggered the room to immediately erupt in laughter. Mind you this was a tech device not a feminine hygiene product lol... The poor product guy had no idea what he had done, and that was a very serious contender for the name that department was pushing hard.
ethomaz
Banned
What?
The defense control reach a new level... the nonsense.
I have no ideia why you did reply to me or tried to say I was rebutting something.
Let's be clear again... a guy on twitter said a made up claim and I just pointed that devs and DF said the opposite and somebody come to try to deny it saying it was a lie (lol).
He took the L because he never had a case to begin with and you come to say some weird things not related to the subject.
And you accuse me of rebuttal and/or something I'm doing lol
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MarkMe2525
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Like I mentioned, generally speaking the vast majority of people have no issues. People that even do a little research which with the power of the internet, most people do, have no issues when purchasing. This can be said about anything though, can you imagine going to a car lot and looking at all the different Xl, SL, etc.. models without informing yourself beforehand on what those mean? Look at the television market, there is nothing clear-cut about the naming conventions yet no one is arguing that people are having a hard time finding a television they want.
3liteDragon
Member
From their official channel.
ethomaz
Banned
Actually only SE is a different naming.
X is to be read as 10.
Iphone 10
Iphone 10R
Iphone 10S
Iphone 10S max
Iphone 11
Iphone 11 pro
Iphone 11 pro max.
Apple uses a sequential numbered number system... they just jumped 2 and 9 for whatever internal reason.
The Pro is a subname change thought... before that they used S (4S, 5S, 6S, etc) and now are using Pro.
SE is for special (or smaller) edition... a non-scheduled release with old design model.
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Vae_Victis
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Microsoft Studios acquisitions: 7 listed by name, none of those happened. Several more touted. As far as I'm aware, Microsoft bought zero studios in 2020.
XSS: wrong price, specs half right (RAM size is wrong, storage size is wrong, storage speed underestimated).
XSX: price still unknown, specs mostly right (storage speed underestimated)
PS5: price still unknown, specs mostly wrong (CPU correct, everything else is wrong in some way). Says PS5 was supposed to be released in 2019 and was delayed, which we know would have been logistically impossible and makes no sense the way a console in engineered and put into production.
Xbox launch games: none of those are correct (you can give him Halo, since it was meant as a launch game until recently). "The first year of Xbox will be the best line up of all time" - I don't think I need to comment any further.
TL;DR: the same spiel we have been bombared with for months, that Xbox was doing super-great in every single department imaginabile while Sony was putting together a refurbished, underpowered console from 2019. And as every other "leak" to this effect, basically every single thing about Microsoft turned out to be completely false except for most of the specs of their consoles, while PS5 is for the most part equal to the XSX in terms of raw power.
xPikYx
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It's official then...can't believe it, out from nowhere.... what are the specs?
MarkMe2525
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I have encountered probably three customers who understood that the x was supposed to stand for 10. I used to try to correct people but just gave up after I realized it was not catching on. While you are technically correct here, in practice it almost never ever matters. if Apple started naming their iPhone from the beginning with Roman numerals then maybe it would be clear to the customer, but in its current state it is not at all. Even with this, which would seem to be extremely confusing to a customer, people have no issues purchasing the phone they want.
Killer Sakoman
Member
Wrong.
He said they tested the most played 100 games and based on these tests, they believe most PS4 games will work on PS5 at launch.
Anyone with common sense knows that Sony will continue improving their compatibility with updates.
Empire Strikes Back
Member
Weird, I thought it had the price in it.
ethomaz
Banned
I can see the confusion... X instead of 10 was not that smart.
Said that I expect the next iPhone to be 12... color me surprised if that not happens.
ethomaz
Banned
They tested the top 100 played games when talking about the PS5 boost mode.
PS4 and PS4 Pro modes were a co-developed natives modes by AMD and Sony to make sure PS4 games will run without issues on PS5... these modes needs no tests because it basically native (at hardware level) a PS4/PS4 Pro.
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kyliethicc
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The PS5 Digital at anything less than $500 will be a fantastic value over the Series S at $300.
Much more graphical power, more memory,
much faster I/O, plus almost double the usable storage,
real 4K gaming,
a better controller, built in microphone,
USB-C ports, faster WiFi, built-in bluetooth,
better and faster UI,
a user-friendly non-proprietary expansion option,
VR support,
new proprietary 3D audio support,
less expensive services,
free to play is actually free,
... and then there's all the exclusive PS5 and PS4 games.
Even at $500 the digital PS5 would be worth it over the Xbox S. At $450 or less... no question.
Much more graphical power, more memory,
much faster I/O, plus almost double the usable storage,
real 4K gaming,
a better controller, built in microphone,
USB-C ports, faster WiFi, built-in bluetooth,
better and faster UI,
a user-friendly non-proprietary expansion option,
VR support,
new proprietary 3D audio support,
less expensive services,
free to play is actually free,
... and then there's all the exclusive PS5 and PS4 games.
Even at $500 the digital PS5 would be worth it over the Xbox S. At $450 or less... no question.
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kyliethicc
Member
They took it out
Gamerguy84
Member
One of my favorite things I keep hearing is MS doesnt care about selling anyone a console in the slightest bit.
Vae_Victis
Banned
Go to 28:13
"Results are excellent though. We recently took a look at the top hundred PlayStation 4 titles as ranked by play time and we're expecting almost all of them to be playable at launch on playstation 5."
"all of THEM"
EDIT: further information from here: https://blog.playstation.com/2020/0...ls-of-playstation-5-hardware-technical-specs/
UPDATE: A quick update on backward compatibility – With all of the amazing games in PS4’s catalog, we’ve devoted significant efforts to enable our fans to play their favorites on PS5. We believe that the overwhelming majority of the 4,000+ PS4 titles will be playable on PS5.
We’re expecting backward compatible titles will run at a boosted frequency on PS5 so that they can benefit from higher or more stable frame rates and potentially higher resolutions. We’re currently evaluating games on a title-by-title basis to spot any issues that need adjustment from the original software developers.
In his presentation, Mark Cerny provided a snapshot into the Top 100 most-played PS4 titles, demonstrating how well our backward compatibility efforts are going. We have already tested hundreds of titles and are preparing to test thousands more as we move toward launch. We will provide updates on backward compatibility, along with much more PS5 news, in the months ahead. Stay tuned!
So as I said: they are testing games in grades of priority. Which means if your question is "are ALL PS4 games guaranteed to run on PS5 at launch?", the answer is "no, they probably will but it's not guaranteed".
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hemo memo
You can't die before your death
And added November 10
MasterCornholio
Member
And then they create a 299$ console.
Honestly I think they said that just in case they can't outsell the competition with two differently priced SKUs. I mean if a more expensive and weaker PS5 outsells both Xboxs that would be really interesting to analyze.
chilichote
Member
Sony later confirmed on Twitter that almost all PS4 games will run on the PS5.
ethomaz
Banned
That quote is take out of context sometimes.
He is talking about the PS4 games running in boost mode (PS5 clocks).
You needs the previous quote to understand better.
"Running PS4 and PS4 titles at boosted frequencies has also added complexity the boost is truly massive this time around and some game code just can't handle it testing has to be done on the title by title basis.
Results are excellent though we recently took a look at the top hundred PlayStation 4 titles as ranked by play time and we're expecting almost all of them to be playable at launch on playstation 5."
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He got on spot with most of what he said
Studio Acquisitions negotiations: None happened yet, Asobo is considered a strong rumor due to MS buying historical partners+FS2020. Relic is making AoE IV, The Farm 51 acquisition was rumored last year.
XSS: almost right on price, almost right on RAM, wrong SSD size, correct CPU and TFlops GPU
XSX: Exact specs and price.
PS5: GPU is based on 5700 base spec (36 CU) but ended up having a bigger clock, tracing to the github leak indicates that there was a upclock once, perhaps it had two then. Correct CPU, almost right on SSD, incorrect RAM.
Games: Correct on Bleeding Edge existing, was released earlier this year, correct on Halo Infinite being crossgen before being confirmed at E3 2019, partially right on Forza being a RT showcase, but not crossgen. Perfect Dark rumors goes up and down with The Coalition and now The Initiative. Plus he/she mentions the Spy game which would match with TI rumored game being PD.
Notice, all of this being a whole year and months before it's official announcement.
Sethbacca
Member
Why isn't the black vent flush? Why not just make the box a millimeter thicker and flush with the vent?
It would have looked so much better if they had gone with the black on white logo as the grill like from the trailer. I mean, I still like it more than the X from a design perspective, but that's not saying much.
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ethomaz
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If you take "almost right" as "right"... yeap sure.
For me everything that is not right is wrong.
He guessed right the MS TFs thought if Lockhart is really 4TFs (MS hide that info).
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Killer Sakoman
Member
That's not what you originaly said. What you qouted is cut down and has to do with boost mode
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Bo_Hazem
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Killer Sakoman
Member
Thank you
3liteDragon
Member
This is what’s been revealed so far.
The price label was on the leaked version, they took it out and only put the release date (Nov 10th) on the official reveal trailer.
kyliethicc
Member
Agreed. Sony messed up badly by not naming the Vita the PSP 2.
Killer Sakoman
Member
You are correct, I forgot the exact qoute.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Honestly, you probably just shouldn't shop for anything if options get you this twisted up. MS has an X series and an S series, It's not that hard.
Seriously though, I wouldn't have gone with series but a new name, Xbox Something S|X. People would know that Xbox Something was what you were looking to get. Just because Sony is boring with names doesn't mean everyone else has to use numbers. Look at Sega/Atari/Nintendo etc.
Trust me. I get you. I don't have any problem figuring this out. But it's no secret in the Marketing community that people are, let's say, easily confused.. So the simpler you can make things the better. Apple tried this in a more extreme earlier on just keeping 'iPad' iPad but people got confused. Is this used iPad the iPad from this year, or is it 3 years old? That kind of thing. So the obvious simple way to go is "Cool Product 1, Cool Product 2 (or Cool Product 1 PRO)" things like that. Makes it easy for the UNEDUCATED consumers, which unfortunately for MS and Sony, makes up a very large segment of their target markets (all those parents).
The way they have things now is fine and dandy for us technical people. I mean even then, you have to admit it's a bit convoluted, but still, we have it down. It's just going to be confusing for those uneducated consumers. We'll see how it works out for them!
Wooxsvan
Member
Thanks for the info. Do we know what framerate this game runs at on PS5?
Aceofspades
Banned
That would render XSS useless.
Empire Strikes Back
Member
It is still odd because they just confirmed the price on twitter about a dozen times.This is what’s been revealed so far.
The price label was on the leaked version, they took it out and only put the release date (Nov 10th) on the official reveal trailer.
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