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[Nocturno999]

We need a @MidGenRefresh

But will it be enough?

 

[jigglet]

So what he's saying is - Nintendo was leading the charge all along? Wii U redeemed? N64 retroactively the greatest technical achievement of all time?!

 

[BadBurger]

Two dev studios failed to optimize their games well recently. One less than the other. It's not the end of the world. Developers like, well, practically all of Sony's to start, aren't going to suddenly forget how to make games well.

 

[ABnormal]

I’m sure that was a well researched and profound analysis

Surely not with compressed images.

 

[Hobbygaming]

I agree.

Not to mention that MS's first next gen game will be 60fps with RTX (Forza).

Racers are almost always 60fps though because there's not much to calculate like NPCs, next area loading, complex animations, etc. Driveclub was the exception

 

[Rykan]

The trailer was captured at 30fps. Played back on youtube at 60fps

Silent Hill trailer was not "played back" at 60 FPS. The trailer was originally broadcasted in 30 FPS because the entire livestream presentation was broadcasted in that framerate. It was 60 FPS footage being played at 30 FPS, not the other way around. There is no "speed up" or "interpolation" going on in the actual 60 FPS trailer.

Richard is simply wrong in this account. The industry has now trained its audience to expect 60 FPS modes and that expectation will have to be lived up to.

Racers are almost always 60fps though because there's not much to calculate like NPCs, next area loading, complex animations, etc. Driveclub was the exception

There were a lot of exceptions, actually. All the Forza Horizons ran at 30 FPS and most of the Need for Speed games did as well.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

I expected this. I doubt 60fps will ever become the standard. They should allow the choice of frame rate and fidelity mode at least to get the best of both worlds.

 

[playsaves3]

i dont see why its going to become the normal yet pc versions with a lesser cpu will be 60fps....pathetic.

The console cpus were bad it’s the one mistake they mafe

 

[playsaves3]

Pro consoles anyone?

Rdna 4 and zen 5

 

[playsaves3]

I can‘t see Spider-man 2 not having a 60fps option. Starfield, I‘d be thankful for a smooth 30fps tbh.

If a 60 option causes a compromise on the game I’d save 60fps for the pro models

 

[playsaves3]

Of course 30 fps is going to become the norm for these current consoles and its the very reasons we need these pro consoles in our hands sooner rather than later

Not sooner we don’t want pros with rushed tech. When rdna 4 and zen 5 come out in 2024 is when they should release

 

[playsaves3]

Good, it’s high time we started playing nextgen looking games after being stuck with cross-gen for so long. 60 fps crowd can go to PC

Or pro models

 

[playsaves3]

"On 40FPS being the new "performance mode":"

Better than nothing I suppose. I haven't tried 40fps modes yet so I may have to check that out next time and see how I feel about it.

30 fps is ok for some games, but for most AAA games on big screens it just doesn't work for me. Time for mid-gen refresh.

Ironic if it has been cross-gen games that have allowed 60fps so far. Folks should be careful what they ask for.

Mid Gen refreshes 2024 rdna 4 zen 5 or zen 4 3D cache

 

[Excoman]

I doubt 60fps will ever become the standard.

It may not be standard, but it is still the golden number when it comes framerate most people will be happy with.

 

[playsaves3]

All sony games have actiony and fast paced combat except maybe tlou, they should all be 60 but you have limited choices with a cheap hardware.

You can't have

High res
High framerate
Big jump in graphic


Chose 2 (or 1,5 when 4k is checkboard and not native and the performance mode is 40 hz instead of 60)

Or wait for pro models

 

[playsaves3]

But then they’ll make pro games 30FPS so better just release the PS6 sooner rather than later…. Make that a PS6 Pro

They would have to make a bespoke higher fidelity pro mode i think it will just be used for frames and other minor things like settings

 

[playsaves3]

I will never buy a PS Pro anything. Didn't get it on PS4 either.

I'd potentially consider a Xbox Pro just because I have a Series S so that wasn't quite as expensive.

Most likely will just skip both and get a Switch 2.

Do you already own the base ps5 and series x? I assume if you don’t own the consoles yet it’s better to go for the pro

 

[playsaves3]

Not quite convinced yet. When talking about consoles we're used to the PS4/Xone gen with shit CPUs that can't do 60fps or the 360/ps3 gen with crap GPUs that couldn't do 30, this is the first generations of consoles where they aren't really bottlenecked by one terrible compotent and I still think there will be room for a cut down 60fps mode in the majority of games. Will there be outliers? Sure, there will always be: Ambition, developer vision, budget and time constraints, but I expect the majority of games to remain GPU-bound which is relatively easy to scale by removing RT and/or lowering resolution. I expect RT will be becoming more and more common so performance modes aren't going anywhere.

As for CPU-bound scenarios, very few games will push these CPUs to the point 60 fps is impossible. A plague tale is a rare case where they want 300.000 rats at once, you won't see that too often. Most games will remain GPU-bound and if a game can't do 60fps on these CPUs, I have some bad news for the PC version too which you will have to bruteforce with top of the line hardware while saying goodbye to the 100+ frames you guys are used to.


Essentially, a Plague tale is the first major title to not have a 60 fps in over two years (Gotham knights is a Joke) and the fear mongering has already started. There's tons of 60+ major games on the Horizon with God of War being the next, I'm not really worried.

Uh what the cpus are the main and frankly only problems with the consoles it’s the only part of them that launched immediately outdated

 

[playsaves3]

So eventually console gaming won't be cheaper than PC gaming, 'cause you need two, $500 consoles to keep playing with the performance you expect. Interesting.

You can also just wait for the pro models

 

[playsaves3]

I dont get it, we have better CPU's this time in the consoles and on top of that we have the likes of FSR to improve performance.

Its more likely that gamers will have to get used to the fact that games will not be rendered at native resolution.

The cpus were never good unlike the gpu

 

[playsaves3]

It was bound to happen unless we want to stick forever with cross gen games and personally I don't want that.
But:
1) 40fps mode with VRR on 120Hz displays might be the best of both worlds and it's realistic.
2) The 60fps crowd can still look forward to mid gen hardware upgrades but even there there will be 30-40fps modes with ray tracing pushed like on PC.

With the advent of unlocked framerates at least on the mid Gen the hope is you can uncap any mode available

 

[Rykan]

With the advent of unlocked framerates at least on the mid Gen the hope is you can uncap any mode available

Dude just use the edit function.

 

[Pimpbaa]

The cpus were never good unlike the gpu

Compared to the jaguar cores in last gen consoles, they are powerful. A few years old cpu architecture for desktops and notebooks is massively better than mobile cores meant for cheap windows tablets.

 

[anthony2690]

Shut your dirty whore mouth Richard!
Push them to keep making 60fps modes!

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

And yet we already have next gen games running at 60fps on the PS5.

 

[Crayon]

P playsaves3
We're starting a gofundme to buy you a multi-quote button, buddy.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Silent Hill trailer was not "played back" at 60 FPS. The trailer was originally broadcasted in 30 FPS because the entire livestream presentation was broadcasted in that framerate. It was 60 FPS footage being played at 30 FPS, not the other way around. There is no "speed up" or "interpolation" going on in the actual 60 FPS trailer.

Richard is simply wrong in this account. The industry has now trained its audience to expect 60 FPS modes and that expectation will have to be lived up to.


There were a lot of exceptions, actually. All the Forza Horizons ran at 30 FPS and most of the Need for Speed games did as well.

I obviously didn't help develop those games so I don't know the sacrifices made but there's usually a tradeoff. It's very hard to have all of your calculations done in only 16 milliseconds per frame, so 30 frames can be a huge benefit to devs

 

[Neo_game]

Lets wait till there be any games actually supporting the most advanced things new consoles have.
Non of the games designed around Direct Storage, SFS n ext. came out.
We really haven't seen what those machines can do cos Devs need pretty substantial change in the workflow n code base to actually do that while dropping last gen n lots of PC user base.
So they are waiting for as long as possible n you can clearly see that

Those things will help but it can't make 30fps games 60fps. I think the 40fps is going to replace 30fps at best and for fast paced games there will be a 60fps option by they can't go lower than 1080p lol.

 

[njean777]

Because console players hate being given performance choices. They hate spending hours fiddling with settings. Just launch the game and start playing, that’s the point of console

BS, having one toggle is not the same as having a bunch on PC. Give me either performance or graphics mode and be done, which is what a lot of console games do already.

 

[Rykan]

I obviously didn't help develop those games so I don't know the sacrifices made but there's usually a tradeoff. It's very hard to have all of your calculations done in only 16 milliseconds per frame, so 30 frames can be a huge benefit to devs

Oh there was a trade of. Last generation had an influx of open world races. Almost all the Need for Speed games were open world, so that's basically why so many of them ran at 30 instead of the usual 60 that is common for racers.

 

[playsaves3]

P playsaves3
We're starting a gofundme to buy you a multi-quote button, buddy.

The day i figure out how to use this site is when we find world peace

 

[playsaves3]

Compared to the jaguar cores in last gen consoles, they are powerful. A few years old cpu architecture for desktops and notebooks is massively better than mobile cores meant for cheap windows tablets.

Still was immediately outdated upon release unlike the gpu

 

[StreetsofBeige]

If Xbox Series Z comes out I'll get it assuming it's not a crazy price. Selling consoles is sellers market last few years. I dumped my One X with an extra controller and some super old games which were already on GP for $450 cdn. Nuts. I probably could had got $400 for it straight up. If I can get this for Series X when mid gen refreshes come Ill take it.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Still was immediately outdated upon release unlike the gpu

One could say the same about the GPU considering it’s ray tracing performance compared to nvidia hardware. The CPU cores are fine for the GPUs in current consoles especially since they are lifted from the burden of having to decompress data.

 

[A.Romero]

Because console players hate being given performance choices. They hate spending hours fiddling with settings. Just launch the game and start playing, that’s the point of console

It's net like it doesn't work if you don't want to change anything. Default settings should fit someone that doesn't want options perfectly.

 

[ArtHands]

It's net like it doesn't work if you don't want to change anything. Default settings should fit someone that doesn't want options perfectly.

Some people couldn’t resist adjusting the setting if it is available though.

 

[H4ze]

Sad to see how many here are still okay with 30 fps smh...

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Sad to see how many here are still okay with 30 fps smh...

I dont think the 30 fps crowd plays a lot of shooters, sports, racers, platformers, high tempo action games or fighters.

 

[PeteBull]

i dont see why its going to become the normal yet pc versions with a lesser cpu will be 60fps....pathetic.

Current gen consoles cpu's is only equivalent to downclocked r7 3700x, man, vs ryzen 7k series and 13th gen intel, even entry lvl, its at least 3x weaker same vs previous gen top cpu from amd 5800x3d and intels 12900k, so it will be normal in a year or two for 30fps console game vs 60fps pc port.

 

[Whitecrow]

Sad to see how many here are still okay with 30 fps smh...

Feeling sad for that says a lot about your kind.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Of course 30 fps is going to become the norm for these current consoles and its the very reasons we need these pro consoles in our hands sooner rather than later

Nah, let them prep a better XSX2 and PS6 and then you will have more 60+ FPS games again in the initial cross generation period and for BC titles. Also we do not wait as long for a proper next generation bump and we get a better next generation one too .

 

[Team Andromeda]

LOL at the so-called gamers on here....

30 and 60 FPS mixture are a fact of console gaming even in the so-called glory days of PS2 or 16 bit gaming.
I have no issues with story based games going all out for graphics and running at 30 FPS.

 

[H4ze]

Feeling sad for that says a lot about your kind.

Please enlighten me, what is "my kind" xD I am playing consoles since the mid 90s and I build my own PCs for almost 20 years now.

So yes, I bet a lot of people "like me" would prefer to see an improvement in frame count after all these years, enjoy your "cinematic" experience and crappy versions.

I am allowed to dislike this shit, you know?

 

[OZ9000]

30fps needs to die for good. Games play like trash at any frame rate that isn't 60.

Here's an idea: Use FSR and DRS. Hell, run your game in 1440p for 60fps.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Sad to see how many here are still okay with 30 fps smh...

It's just a preference, I want a bigger jump in visuals

 

[H4ze]

It's just a preference, I want a bigger jump in visuals

Perfectly fine opinion to have, don't get me wrong, I would just prefer otherwise.

 

[Whitecrow]

Please enlighten me, what is "my kind" xD I am playing consoles since the mid 90s and I build my own PCs for almost 20 years now.

So yes, I bet a lot of people "like me" would prefer to see an improvement in frame count after all these years, enjoy your "cinematic" experience and crappy versions.

I am allowed to dislike this shit, you know?

Wow you asking for respect while disrespecting. Yeah, that's your kind right there.

 

[GymWolf]

Or wait for pro models

I'm gonna buy a ps5 pro but i don't expect 4k60 + rtx for the heaviest game of the last 2-3 years of console lifespan.

Especially if the upgrade is relatively modest like it was with ps4 pro.

 

[H4ze]

Wow you asking for respect while disrespecting. Yeah, that's your kind right there.

Well, I am not the one who started it, so shove it up your ass honey

Edit: you know what, I am sorry, it's not worth fighting over something like this in a rude manner

 

[Whitecrow]

Well, I am not the one who started it, so shove it up your ass honey

So you've been playing since mid 90s?

And tell me, did you do any other thing in your life? Because you sound like a 10 year old kid lmao