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DF x IGN closest GPU to PS5 pro is an RTX 4070
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Magic Carpet
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I've got one of those 4070's. But it's a 12GB Some games fill that memory up.
I need to know what PSSR can do to really make a comparison.
I need to know what PSSR can do to really make a comparison.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
Memory of GPUs isn't handled the same on console
Bernoulli
M2 slut
You can't compare cpus on console to PC
PS5 has dedicated hardware for decompression, audio and other things that lower the load compared to a PC
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I would say the closest is the 3070 Ti he used in the Wukong video today, but strictly looking at the 4000 series lineup, i suppose 4070 is the closest one.
At least in terms of ray tracing performance. 4070 is way more than just 45% powerful in standard rasterization, but i suppose PS exclusives do perform better on consoles than on PC.
At least in terms of ray tracing performance. 4070 is way more than just 45% powerful in standard rasterization, but i suppose PS exclusives do perform better on consoles than on PC.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
It's not really. A lot of is just based on assumptions by gamers.
Remember Starfield and Dragon's Dogma 2 that couldn't do 60 FPS because apparently "they were CPU limited." Then a few weeks later they suddenly weren't.
DD2 will also get a PS5 Pro Enhanced patch at launch, so it's clearly not CPU limited.
Besides, as a last resort, PS5 Pro uses the AMD Shift technology so it can shift power from GPU to CPU and vice versa, if needed. Not to mention the powerful decompressor HW units that PS5 has which frees up the CPU.
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Magic Carpet
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Little Mac
Gold Member
Quick google has this card at roughly $550-600.
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Kokoloko85
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Thats the look of someone dying on the inside
Also the horizontal stand is included in the box lol
Also the horizontal stand is included in the box lol
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Magic Carpet
Gold Member
With DLSS its a good GPU, Thats why PSSR is going to be important. The 4070 requires DLSS to even try to hit 4K.
Negotiator101
Member
Don't start.
Zacfoldor
Member
I mean, the PS5 Pro has been shat on for not being a huge upgrade.
It will be a significant upgrade though, because it doesn't take much to turn something from shit to perfectly playable.
Like Elden Ring. If they expand the VRR range to 40, that by itself with no other upgrade would significantly improve the experience on PS5. If Rebirth looks better at 60fps on the pro than it does at 30fps on the vanilla PS5, then this is about to be some real shit here on PS5 pro. You think it won't, but it will.
Everything I've heard so far concerning actual performance and not the price, has been really good. You can keep telling me we won't get fps upgrades on this, but I don't believe you. Sounds like hopium that it won't, but I think it will. Start saving now.
It will be a significant upgrade though, because it doesn't take much to turn something from shit to perfectly playable.
Like Elden Ring. If they expand the VRR range to 40, that by itself with no other upgrade would significantly improve the experience on PS5. If Rebirth looks better at 60fps on the pro than it does at 30fps on the vanilla PS5, then this is about to be some real shit here on PS5 pro. You think it won't, but it will.
Everything I've heard so far concerning actual performance and not the price, has been really good. You can keep telling me we won't get fps upgrades on this, but I don't believe you. Sounds like hopium that it won't, but I think it will. Start saving now.
March Climber
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SweetTooth
Gold Member
You cant simply change the CPU mid generation, Never happened before. You don't want to make devs life a living hell developing essentially for 2 different devices!
If you are going to change it then make PS6 also the CPU in PS5 is good enough, when adding the I/O block thats equal to 11 Zen 2 cores in power.
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I really wish this myth would die out.
Let's take the premise at face value.
How much would the CPU need to cost in order to deliver higher performance if the current CPU was constrained to 30 fps?
The reality is people are already complaining about the price and most games are GPU constrained not CPU constrained.
Sony has done the best job in terms of getting bang for the buck and people are still crying.
SJRB
Gold Member
The tech is most probably quite amazing, Sony just did a terrible job showing it.
Mortisfacio
Member
Will be curious to see what real world performances are. Many DF videos have shown base PS5 GPU to be in the 2070/2080 area in terms of real world perf. Their Forbidden West video being the last time I saw them make this comparison.
Bitstream
Member
Regarding CPU limited games, something you should be aware of is that devs can, and have been using GPU resources to perform tasks that would typically be handled by the CPU for ages. Pointing out that the games are CPU limited comes with the asterisk that, AS CURRENTLY CODED the games are CPU locked. If the devs had chosen to do so, they could have tapped into the GPU to offload some of the CPU tasks as well.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter how much brute strength CPU and GPU power you give the devs, the end result is dependent on how well the devs harness that power.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter how much brute strength CPU and GPU power you give the devs, the end result is dependent on how well the devs harness that power.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
That changed? In the past with RT was ~2060 lvl, now it improved to 4060 lvl?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Have been saying around a 4070 ish levels of performance for close to a year now
gooner4life_uk
Member
Where are all the games that are CPU Limited to 30fps on a Ryzen 7 3700X???
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Makes you wonder what type of gamer would want the PS5 Pro to NOT do the things I bolded.
Eszti
Banned
This is so dumb. A 4060 is faster than a ps5 at 1080p and slower at high res. Because the crippled bit bus and low memory bandwidth and lower amount of cache since its a low end ada chip.
Same applies to the 4070 with its measly 192 bit bus. The 7800xt stomps it in 4k 95% of the time because of this.
Ffs a 4080 super only has 256 bit bus a 4 figure card
the same as the consoles .
Comparing pc with consoles is useless bullshit and nonsense anyways. But easy click farm
Same applies to the 4070 with its measly 192 bit bus. The 7800xt stomps it in 4k 95% of the time because of this.
Ffs a 4080 super only has 256 bit bus a 4 figure card
the same as the consoles .Comparing pc with consoles is useless bullshit and nonsense anyways. But easy click farm
TehGoomba7s
Member
Yeah the IGN 4K60 bit rate thread really shows the difference. A big improvement to IQ over PS5 Fidelity Mode running at double the framerate. That is impressive. Worth the €300 upgrade to me.
Killer8
Member
Vast majority of PS5 games already offer a 60fps mode so the CPU can't be an issue. The 4K30 and 1440p60 split is a popular configuration for a lot of titles, and the former being 30fps is likely because the game is being GPU limited.
Not only is the GPU better in the Pro, PSSR will take a lot that load off anyway AND it's 2-3x faster at ray tracing.
The only AAA game off the top of my head to really hammer the CPU as of late is Dragon's Dogma 2. But that's the case even on top end rigs and is an outlier.
... Also who the fuck wants to play Dragon's Dogma 2?
Not only is the GPU better in the Pro, PSSR will take a lot that load off anyway AND it's 2-3x faster at ray tracing.
The only AAA game off the top of my head to really hammer the CPU as of late is Dragon's Dogma 2. But that's the case even on top end rigs and is an outlier.
... Also who the fuck wants to play Dragon's Dogma 2?
Rudius
Member
With DLSS performance the 4070 don't try to hit 4K, it hits.
Ronin_7
Member
Don't tell those low IQ humans that mate.
Eszti
Banned
This is so dumb. A 4060 is faster than a ps5 at 1080p and slower at high res. Because the crippled bit bus and low memory bandwidth and lower amount of cache since its a low end ada chip.
Same applies to the 4070 with its measly 192 bit bus. The 7800xt stomps it in 4k 95% of the time because of this.
Ffs a 4080 super only has 256 bit bus a 4 figure card same as the consoles
Ultimately comparing consoles with pcs is stupid, nonsense snd bullshit. But easy click farm.
Same applies to the 4070 with its measly 192 bit bus. The 7800xt stomps it in 4k 95% of the time because of this.
Ffs a 4080 super only has 256 bit bus a 4 figure card
same as the consolesUltimately comparing consoles with pcs is stupid, nonsense snd bullshit. But easy click farm.
Mortisfacio
Member
I've never actually seen an honest comparison of that. Per DF themselves in real world cases like Forbidden West, they stated the PS5 was equiv to 2070 in performance mode
Digital Foundry - Horizon Forbidden West PC vs PS5: Enhanced Features, Performance Tests + Image Quality Boosts!
On a NVMe drive and a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, the game load a little faster on PC (5.95s) vs PS5 (6.83s) The game does use DirectStorage but not GPU decompression due to issues with driver scheduling and it being too restrictive Shader pre-compilation takes a minute on a Ryzen 5 3600 and 28.13 seconds...
ChorizoPicozo
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I wonder if someone is going to feel attacked or triggered
Wildebeest
Member
The main thing I know about the nvidia 40x cards is that they are very overpriced for what they are and full of disappointing engineering compromises. At least when it comes to gaming. AI people don't seem to care because the investment money is flowing like a burst dam. But nvidia are basically coasting on the success of their compute tools, which are also judged to be more shitty than they should be.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
Yep, that why I get defensive whenever I hear someone say the 4070 isn't a good GPU,
It plays everything I've thrown at it at plays it well.
-----Except Black Myth Wukong------
I had to start turning things down in option.
XXL
Member
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Exactly this.
After the grand serving of crows after the PS5 launch, why would any sane person ever doubt Cerny again? lol.
Guess the sane part answers my question.
tmlDan
Member
they cant, unfortunately, until we move away from "gens" and more towards iterations, it'll always be like this for pro consoles
But that might eliminate a consoles prime advantage
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mayham2199
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haha man I love watching Destins face when he's made to look like an idiot.
Dacvak
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Ah okay, that makes sense.
XXL
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
Not gonna get dragged into the whole CPU limited argument again, but what I will say is that most things we say are CPU limited... aren't. They are just poorly optimized for a multi-core CPU. Has always been the case. In a manner of speaking, the PS5 would benefit more from a Zen2 CPU running at 4.5Ghz than from a Zen4 one running at 3.5Ghz in the current development climate.
But the fix is now to just brute force everything, that is what the misguided fix to "CPU bottlenecks" has become, just throw in the fastest CPU you can in there (in hindsight this has always been the PC thing). Whereas, if anyone takes anything more than a cursory glance at CPU usage and utilization charts while running their games, they would see what we should be doing is asking devs to optimize their shit better.
But the fix is now to just brute force everything, that is what the misguided fix to "CPU bottlenecks" has become, just throw in the fastest CPU you can in there (in hindsight this has always been the PC thing). Whereas, if anyone takes anything more than a cursory glance at CPU usage and utilization charts while running their games, they would see what we should be doing is asking devs to optimize their shit better.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
A lot of money tossed around to fuel doubts
Wouldn't shock me (as I have said before) if we get a pretty big next gen Xbox leak before Pro launches just to attempt to cast even more doubt
twilo99
Member
Imagine pairing a modern supercar car chassis with a 1.5l Fiat engine from 2002 ... it makes no sense.
Extreme example, but the only reason you would do this is to keep costs down. There are zero performance benefits.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
DANG bro. You have
You had the information almost a year early!!! O_O