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[SlimySnake]

And again, if and when they make the move to day-and-date releases, we're going to see these numbers on PC go way up as well.

Did it work for Star Wars Outlaws? Avatar? Forspoken? Redfall? Suicide Squad? Concord? Hellblade 2? Forza 8?

Nah they all flopped. Devs shouldve just focused on console versions making them better and more fun than wasting time pandering to an audience who clearly gives no fucks about these games. This was posted before Helldivers went viral but every game since GOW 2018 has failed to hit those highs. PC players just dont care about JRPGs either. I dont blame japanese developers for taking Sony's millions to sign 1 year deals. Id rather Sony invest those millions in first party studios but the point is that these games are not going to become successful just because they launched on PC day one. And we know from 4 years of sales data that xs versions max out at 15%. Again, if sony is paying $50-100 million for moneyhats, it makes up whatever money they wouldve earned on PC or Xbox. It still sucks but if there is no market for these games or a very small market that is shrinking instead of growing (HFW peaked at 40k after HZD peaked at 56k) then whats the point?

 

[DeaconOfTheDank]

No. It's a thread calling him out as the hypocrite he is.
But go ahead and pretend it isn't if it makes your feelings all better.

Sure thing man. Honestly, don't give a shit about what he says/does. I am tired of all the fake outrage posts tho. Y'all are just as bad as the purple forum lmao

 

[DenchDeckard]

The hate boner for this guy is amazing

 

[Three]

Yes, no one was losing their shit about it back in the day ... it's not like it didn't birth a classic meme or two.

So a meme about some console fanboy losing their shit that a game is going multiplatform is the example of people complaining about exclusives? Is this brainrot at play or what?

These kind of exclusives have always been a thing and nobody used to ever complain

Barely anybody is complaining about the practice of exclusivity in them there are more people cheering.

 

[yazenov]

I think the real reason why these clowns are bitter about everything Sony does and turn a blind of to what MS does is because Sony is in the A side. They do not give a fuck about these clowns opinions since they are winning in sales, so they don't pay these people a DIME or what MS calls it Ambassador programs.

While on the other hand, MS is desperate for attention and credibility since they are dead last in sales, hence these clowns are on MS payroll. Money talks.

 

[SlimySnake]

You did not answer any of the questions.

Live footage of Adamsapple and Self_Destructive in this thread.

 

[Skifi28]

Sure thing man. Honestly, don't give a shit about what he says/does. I am tired of all the fake outrage posts tho. Y'all are just as bad as the purple forum lmao

You're tired of them, but here you are!

 

[analog_future]

Did it work for Star Wars Outlaws? Avatar? Forspoken? Redfall? Suicide Squad? Concord? Hellblade 2? Forza 8?

Nah they all flopped. Devs shouldve just focused on console versions making them better and more fun than wasting time pandering to an audience who clearly gives no fucks about these games. This was posted before Helldivers went viral but every game since GOW 2018 has failed to hit those highs. PC players just dont care about JRPGs either. I dont blame japanese developers for taking Sony's millions to sign 1 year deals. Id rather Sony invest those millions in first party studios but the point is that these games are not going to become successful just because they launched on PC day one. And we know from 4 years of sales data that xs versions max out at 15%. Again, if sony is paying $50-100 million for moneyhats, it makes up whatever money they wouldve earned on PC or Xbox. It still sucks but if there is no market for these games or a very small market that is shrinking instead of growing (HFW peaked at 40k after HZD peaked at 56k) then whats the point?

All of the games you listed flopped across the board, not just on PC. If there's no interest in a game or a game is bad, it's not like PC on it's own is going to save it.


You're also very conveniently ignoring Ghost of Tsushima and Helldivers 2. Both Sony 1st party games that came out this year and broke their PC sales records.


It's not rocket science. Making games available to as many consumers as possible with as few hurdles as possible will lead to more sales.

 

[keefged4]

..It's not exclusive though as its on PC? What am I missing?

 

[Fabieter]

The point is they're making millions of dollars out of a small investment. And these are coming a year or oftentimes years after their original Playstation release. It's not like keeping it Playstation exclusive would somehow make the PS version better.

And again, if and when they make the move to day-and-date releases, we're going to see these numbers on PC go way up as well.

We will but the numbers on consoles will decrease to a similar ammount.

 

[Bernoulli]

 

[DeaconOfTheDank]

You're tired of them, but here you are!

Yeah! Would be nice to scroll through actual vidya news on this site instead of 10+ threads on the latest hot take from some asshole I don't care about

 

[adamsapple]

You did not answer any of the questions.

I already did, the 'newfound energy' comment is inherently wrong. There's nothing newfound about it.

So how do you feel about Stalker 2 timed exclusivity?

Peachy.

But it also proves that people have always complained about timed exclusives regardless of where they come from.

So this continues to be wrong:

These kind of exclusives have always been a thing and nobody used to ever complain

 

[Topher]

I already did, the 'newfound energy' comment is inherently wrong. There's nothing newfound about it.



Peachy.

But it also proves that people have always complained about timed exclusives regardless of where they come from.

So this continues to be wrong:

These kind of exclusives have always been a thing and nobody used to ever complain

"Peachy"

Was that supposed to be a "complaint" about that game's timed exclusivity?

Edit: So you are going to leave a laughing emoji and run away. lol.....ok. You are earning that tag today, my friend.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I already did, the 'newfound energy' comment is inherently wrong. There's nothing newfound about it.

Bro. It's newfound energy for Alex. The premise of the thread. He had ample time over the years, but look at that, he handwaves in the OP.

Now again, how do you feel about STALKER, The Medium, etc.?

 

[DAHGAMING]

Hes lost the plot, to many times at a P Diddy freak off.

 

[SlimySnake]

All of the games you listed flopped across the board, not just on PC. If there's no interest in a game or a game is bad, it's not like PC on it's own is going to save it.


It's not rocket science. Making games available to as many consumers as possible with as few hurdles as possible will lead to more sales.

The argument ive seen posted (not by you) ever since Square revealed that FF16 and FF7 Rebirth flopped ("underpermed") is that they flopped because they were PS5 exclusive. I am simply trying to point out that several PS5 console excluisves have sold tens of millions of units in the last 20 months alone, and that these games underperformed because they simply werent that good. They both had great reviews, but poor word of mouth. I bought them both on day one but i spent the next few months shitting on them. Just like the bad games i listed above.

Of course, games will sell more if they release on multiple platforms, but i highly doubt FF16 and FF7 Rebirth wouldve been considered successful by Square if they had an extra 15% of sales on xbox. It didnt work for other flops, why would it work for these games?

 

[Midn1ght]

Did it work for Star Wars Outlaws? Avatar? Forspoken? Redfall? Suicide Squad? Concord? Hellblade 2? Forza 8?

Devs shouldve just focused on console versions making them better and more fun.

Why Ghost of Tsushima's out of the chart? Didn't fit your narrative perhaps?

 

[ergem]

Not a huge fan of it, but I bet he was excited for Rise of the Tomb Raider being Xbox only back in the mid 2010’s.

He’s pathetic. And now he’s exposed.

 

[Drell]

Why are DEI people all MS fanboys? Sony is doing as much for them, right? Isn't it better for them to go full onboard with both of them and go against the evil patriarcal conservative Nintendo?

 

[ergem]

I've found over time that pc fanboys start out as Xbox fanboys, so have a soft spot for Microsoft which they don't for PS.

They know xbox is a laughing stock so they cling to PC to shit on PS.

They will grow in numbers as more and more xboxers move to PC.

 

[rm082e]

Did it work for Star Wars Outlaws? Avatar? Forspoken? Redfall? Suicide Squad? Concord? Hellblade 2? Forza 8?

Nah they all flopped. Devs shouldve just focused on console versions making them better and more fun than wasting time pandering to an audience who clearly gives no fucks about these games. This was posted before Helldivers went viral but every game since GOW 2018 has failed to hit those highs. PC players just dont care about JRPGs either. I dont blame japanese developers for taking Sony's millions to sign 1 year deals. Id rather Sony invest those millions in first party studios but the point is that these games are not going to become successful just because they launched on PC day one. And we know from 4 years of sales data that xs versions max out at 15%. Again, if sony is paying $50-100 million for moneyhats, it makes up whatever money they wouldve earned on PC or Xbox. It still sucks but if there is no market for these games or a very small market that is shrinking instead of growing (HFW peaked at 40k after HZD peaked at 56k) then whats the point?

Are you saying a bunch of single player games flopped because they don't have a high peak concurrent player number? If so, seems like the wrong metric to look at. Seems like lifetime sales would be a better metric. Clearly Sony is selling enough copies to justify continuing to port these games.

 

[adamsapple]

Bro. It's newfound energy for Alex. The premise of the thread. He had ample time over the years, but look at that, he handwaves in the OP.

I don't follow Alex enough to know his pivots but my posts were about people generally complaining about exclusives and Benny's receipts on the comment that people didn't use to complain like this before.

Y'all can take Alex to task. It doesn't make the quotes I was replying to incorrect

Was that supposed to be a "complaint" about that game's timed exclusivity?

Now again, how do you feel about STALKER, The Medium, etc.?

I feel sad for the people who won't get to play STALKER 2 at launch.

Thank you for asking my opinion.

Edit: So you are going to leave a laughing emoji and run away. lol.....ok. You are earning that tag today, my friend.

Damn dude, give a brother a minute, not glued to gaf

 

[Topher]

I feel sad for the people who won't get to play STALKER 2 at launch.

Thank you for asking my opinion.

I'm sorry, but the word of the thread is "pathetic" and that's exactly what this response is.

Damn dude, give a brother a minute, not glued to gaf

My bad. Has to be hard to have to come up with bullshit like that.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I don't follow Alex enough to know his pivots but my posts were about people generally complaining about exclusives and Benny's receipts on the comment that people didn't use to complain like this before.

Y'all can take Alex to task. It doesn't make the quotes I was replying to incorrect






I feel sad for the people who won't get to play STALKER 2 at launch.

Thank you for asking my opinion.



Damn dude, give a brother a minute, not glued to gaf

 

[SlimySnake]

Why Ghost of Tsushima's out of the chart? Didn't fit your narrative perhaps?

thats not my chart and i clearly pointed out that the chart was from before helldivers 2 went viral and that was months before ghost of tsushima. good to see you found one game out of the 11 games sony has released since gow 2018 that topped GOW 2018's peak users.

 

[adamsapple]

I'm sorry, but the word of the thread is "pathetic" and that's exactly what this response is.

It's the only reply the question deserved.

Not sure what asking for my opinion on STALKER 2 was going to accomplish, the quote chain I was replying to was addressing someone who said 'people never used to complain about exclusives like this before', a statement objectively wrong.

Complaining about a different timed exclusive and asking me to account for it just proved that point.

 

[Topher]

It's the only reply the question deserved.

Not sure what asking for my opinion on STALKER 2 was going to accomplish, the quote chain I was replying to was addressing someone who said 'people never used to complain about exclusives like this before', a statement objectively wrong.

Complaining about a different timed exclusive and asking me to account for it just proved that point.

The only point you proved is that "people" will complain about timed exclusivity and so will you, but only when it isn't Microsoft.

 

[Bernardougf]

He's right. Paid exclusivity is stupid and it's proving to be bad for third party developers as well (see Square Enix).

Doing shitty overhyped games is hurting SE nothing more.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The only point you proved is that "people" will complain about timed exclusivity and so will you, but only when it isn't Microsoft.

You have to excuse Adam, he is incapable of critical responses towards The Brand™

Either not in the programming or he is being observed.

 

[adamsapple]

You have to excuse Adam, he is incapable of critical responses towards The Brand™

Either not in the programming or he is being observed.

The Ambassador program shut down.

The only point you proved is that "people" will complain about timed exclusivity and so will you, but only when it isn't Microsoft.

Yes. Everyone complains. You, me, DeepEnigma are all complaining about different things here.

That's the whole point lol.

 

[Kataploom]

I don't get why he's so harsh about PS exclusivity, it has worked great for Square-Enix so far

 

[DeepEnigma]

The Ambassador program shut down.

It will take time from The Pledge™ recitals to be cleansed from the program.

 

[Gaiff]

Did it work for Star Wars Outlaws? Avatar? Forspoken? Redfall? Suicide Squad? Concord? Hellblade 2? Forza 8?

I don't get it. Are a bunch of mediocre games supposed to do well on PC?

 

[SlimySnake]

Doing shitty overhyped games is hurting SE nothing more.

This. I dont know wtf they were thinking with FF7 Rebirth but surely they know that most people dont want to play dozens of hours of mini games and have characters who act like complete buffoons.

The MMO caliber quest design and padded out story content made me want to kill myself as the campaign dragged to hour 60. I couldnt believe an AAA game would have fetch quests like that as part of their single player campaign.

Forspoken is forspoken.

I would not blame Sony's moneyhatting these games for their lack of success. If anything, the millions sony gave SE likely saved them.

 

[nowhat]

I don't get why he's so harsh about PS exclusivity, it has worked great for Square-Enix so far

I mean... it really has? Not perhaps to the over-zealous sales figures the SE executives want, but otherwise, reasonable sales figures. Good even. Not to mention the development support from SIE.

Would day-and-date Xbox releases have moved the needle, especially given the porting/support costs? Not necessarily. Unless it's Gamepass, sales on Xbox have been consistently rather poor.

 

[Midn1ght]

thats not my chart and i clearly pointed out that the chart was from before helldivers 2 went viral and that was months before ghost of tsushima. good to see you found one game out of the 11 games sony has released since gow 2018 that topped GOW 2018's peak users.

I just found extremely weird that you're blaming PC for Concord and other Sony fuck-ups. You're basically saying these games would have turn into critical success if they didn't waste time developing for PC which is extremely dumb to say and just your usual cheap shot toward PC.

We also know that CCU doesn't tell the whole story, Spider-Man has a lower CCU than GOW but sold more, same for Day's Gone that sold over 1.5 million copies on PC Vs. a low CCU number.

It's been over 4 years since HZD released on Steam and Sony's not stopping any time soon which mean they are happy with numbers. Deal with it.

 

[adamsapple]

It will take time from The Pledge™ recitals to be cleansed from the program.

All jokes aside.

I really don't give a shit about Alex. He's entitled to his own rants on his social media, but everyone does complain about x being exclusive to y so that part is definitely not new and that's why I disagreed with you when you said newfound energy. If you meant that specific to Alex, I don't follow him enough to comment on that, sorry.

 

[SlimySnake]

He's right. Paid exclusivity is stupid and it's proving to be bad for third party developers as well (see Square Enix).

I don't get it. Are a bunch of mediocre games supposed to do well on PC?

Nope. See above. Thats precisely the point. The shitty games will sell poorly on PC, PS5, and XS. Paid exclusivity is not the reason why shit games flop or mediocre SE games underperform.

 

[Topher]

The Ambassador program shut down.

Yes. Everyone complains. You, me, DeepEnigma are all complaining about different things here.

That's the whole point lol.

Ah good. Then tell us how shitty it is that Microsoft has a timed exclusivity deal for Stalker 2. Don't care about you feeling sorry for those who can't play right away. That is a shitty timed exclusive deal, right?

Come on....you can say it. No strings, right?

 

[Bernardougf]

This. I dont know wtf they were thinking with FF7 Rebirth but surely they know that most people dont want to play dozens of hours of mini games and have characters who act like complete buffoons.

The MMO caliber quest design and padded out story content made me want to kill myself as the campaign dragged to hour 60. I couldnt believe an AAA game would have fetch quests like that as part of their single player campaign.

Forspoken is forspoken.

I would not blame Sony's moneyhatting these games for their lack of success. If anything, the millions sony gave SE likely saved them.

After the awful FFXV I peaced out in them, I played Remake because it was free and force myself trough that slog... Rebirth even being considered for goty is the absolute picture of the current shitty state of the industry.

 

[Kataploom]

I mean... it really has? Not perhaps to the over-zealous sales figures the SE executives want, but otherwise, reasonable sales figures. Good even. Not to mention the development support from SIE.

Would day-and-date Xbox releases have moved the needle, especially given the porting/support costs? Not necessarily. Unless it's Gamepass, sales on Xbox have been consistently rather poor.

It was sarcasm lol, I thought it was clear from all recent news and statements about SE

 

[tommib]

I miss permanent exclusives.

 

[adamsapple]

Ah good. Then tell us how shitty it is that Microsoft has a timed exclusivity deal for Stalker 2. Don't care about you feeling sorry for those who can't play right away. That is a shitty timed exclusive deal, right?

Come on....you can say it. No strings, right?

Yes, timed exclusive deals are shitty. Especially from third party entries which have had numbered releases on other platform(s) before.

People used to complain about it and people will complain about it in future as well. It's just the way it is.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Ah good. Then tell us how shitty it is that Microsoft has a timed exclusivity deal for Stalker 2. Don't care about you feeling sorry for those who can't play right away. That is a shitty timed exclusive deal, right?

Come on....you can say it. No strings, right?

***terminating program***

 

[nowhat]

Yes, timed exclusive deals are shitty. Especially from third party entries which have had numbered releases on other platform(s) before.

People used to complain about it and people will complain about it in future as well. It's just the way it is.

You came so close to denouncing a single game of your preferred balls-to-the-throat vendor, but ended up handwaving the whole thing. Quite impressive, really.

 

[seb85]

He's right. Paid exclusivity is stupid and it's proving to be bad for third party developers as well (see Square Enix).

It's a business strategy to edge the competition what's the point of multiple console existence if all games is going to come to all consoles , company need reason to make you pick up their console and exclusivity have been the strategy since console Existence

 

[Topher]

Yes, timed exclusive deals are shitty. Especially from third party entries which have had numbered releases on other platform(s) before.

People used to complain about it and people will complain about it in future as well. It's just the way it is.

 

[SlimySnake]

I just found extremely weird that you're blaming PC for Concord and other Sony fuck-ups. You're basically saying these games would have turn into critical success if they didn't waste time developing for PC which is extremely dumb to say and just your usual cheap shot toward PC.

We also know that CCU doesn't tell the whole story, Spider-Man has a lower CCU than GOW but sold more, same for Day's Gone that sold over 1.5 million copies on PC Vs. a low CCU number.

It's been over 4 years since HZD released on Steam and Sony's not stopping any time soon which mean they are happy with numbers. Deal with it.

Not blaming Concord for PC. I listed it as part of a list of flops that released on both consoles and PCs on day one to prove to analog_future that bad games sell poorly and sony's moneyhatting isnt the reason why forspoken flopped and FF7 and FF16 underperformed.

I dont think having devs focus on one sku is a shot at anyone. I said the same thing about Forza 8 and Halo. Halo infinite came out very unpolished on all platforms just like Forza. Had the studio focused on one sku, obviously it would come out more polished. The biggest most expensive studio in the world focuses on consoles and leaves PC versions out for years to do exactly what im saying. maybe you think Rockstar is as dumb as I am for suggesting they delay PC versions for more polish, and if thats the case, i will take that as a compliment.

I have posted sales figures and revenues generated of these games by sony. I dont wish to get suckered into an argument based on speculation. If you disagree then fine, i have my numbers, you have your numbers, lets agree to disagree.

 

[cireza]

Yes, timed exclusive deals are shitty. Especially from third party entries which have had numbered releases on other platform(s) before.

Don't the majority of people agree with this ?