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Alex From Digital Foundry calls Silent Hill 2 console exclusivity Pathetic. Gets exposed in comments.

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
And again, if and when they make the move to day-and-date releases, we're going to see these numbers on PC go way up as well.
Did it work for Star Wars Outlaws? Avatar? Forspoken? Redfall? Suicide Squad? Concord? Hellblade 2? Forza 8?

Nah they all flopped. Devs shouldve just focused on console versions making them better and more fun than wasting time pandering to an audience who clearly gives no fucks about these games. This was posted before Helldivers went viral but every game since GOW 2018 has failed to hit those highs. PC players just dont care about JRPGs either. I dont blame japanese developers for taking Sony's millions to sign 1 year deals. Id rather Sony invest those millions in first party studios but the point is that these games are not going to become successful just because they launched on PC day one. And we know from 4 years of sales data that xs versions max out at 15%. Again, if sony is paying $50-100 million for moneyhats, it makes up whatever money they wouldve earned on PC or Xbox. It still sucks but if there is no market for these games or a very small market that is shrinking instead of growing (HFW peaked at 40k after HZD peaked at 56k) then whats the point?

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Three

Member
Yes, no one was losing their shit about it back in the day ... it's not like it didn't birth a classic meme or two.
So a meme about some console fanboy losing their shit that a game is going multiplatform is the example of people complaining about exclusives? Is this brainrot at play or what?

These kind of exclusives have always been a thing and nobody used to ever complain
Barely anybody is complaining about the practice of exclusivity in them there are more people cheering.
 
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yazenov

Member
I think the real reason why these clowns are bitter about everything Sony does and turn a blind of to what MS does is because Sony is in the A side. They do not give a fuck about these clowns opinions since they are winning in sales, so they don't pay these people a DIME or what MS calls it Ambassador programs.

While on the other hand, MS is desperate for attention and credibility since they are dead last in sales, hence these clowns are on MS payroll. Money talks.
 

analog_future

Resident Crybaby
Did it work for Star Wars Outlaws? Avatar? Forspoken? Redfall? Suicide Squad? Concord? Hellblade 2? Forza 8?

Nah they all flopped. Devs shouldve just focused on console versions making them better and more fun than wasting time pandering to an audience who clearly gives no fucks about these games. This was posted before Helldivers went viral but every game since GOW 2018 has failed to hit those highs. PC players just dont care about JRPGs either. I dont blame japanese developers for taking Sony's millions to sign 1 year deals. Id rather Sony invest those millions in first party studios but the point is that these games are not going to become successful just because they launched on PC day one. And we know from 4 years of sales data that xs versions max out at 15%. Again, if sony is paying $50-100 million for moneyhats, it makes up whatever money they wouldve earned on PC or Xbox. It still sucks but if there is no market for these games or a very small market that is shrinking instead of growing (HFW peaked at 40k after HZD peaked at 56k) then whats the point?

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All of the games you listed flopped across the board, not just on PC. If there's no interest in a game or a game is bad, it's not like PC on it's own is going to save it.


You're also very conveniently ignoring Ghost of Tsushima and Helldivers 2. Both Sony 1st party games that came out this year and broke their PC sales records.


It's not rocket science. Making games available to as many consumers as possible with as few hurdles as possible will lead to more sales.
 
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Fabieter

Member
The point is they're making millions of dollars out of a small investment. And these are coming a year or oftentimes years after their original Playstation release. It's not like keeping it Playstation exclusive would somehow make the PS version better.

And again, if and when they make the move to day-and-date releases, we're going to see these numbers on PC go way up as well.

We will but the numbers on consoles will decrease to a similar ammount.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You did not answer any of the questions.

I already did, the 'newfound energy' comment is inherently wrong. There's nothing newfound about it.

So how do you feel about Stalker 2 timed exclusivity?

Peachy.

But it also proves that people have always complained about timed exclusives regardless of where they come from.

So this continues to be wrong:

These kind of exclusives have always been a thing and nobody used to ever complain
 

Topher

Identifies as young
I already did, the 'newfound energy' comment is inherently wrong. There's nothing newfound about it.



Peachy.

But it also proves that people have always complained about timed exclusives regardless of where they come from.

So this continues to be wrong:

These kind of exclusives have always been a thing and nobody used to ever complain

"Peachy"

Was that supposed to be a "complaint" about that game's timed exclusivity?

Edit: So you are going to leave a laughing emoji and run away. lol.....ok. You are earning that tag today, my friend.
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
All of the games you listed flopped across the board, not just on PC. If there's no interest in a game or a game is bad, it's not like PC on it's own is going to save it.


It's not rocket science. Making games available to as many consumers as possible with as few hurdles as possible will lead to more sales.
The argument ive seen posted (not by you) ever since Square revealed that FF16 and FF7 Rebirth flopped ("underpermed") is that they flopped because they were PS5 exclusive. I am simply trying to point out that several PS5 console excluisves have sold tens of millions of units in the last 20 months alone, and that these games underperformed because they simply werent that good. They both had great reviews, but poor word of mouth. I bought them both on day one but i spent the next few months shitting on them. Just like the bad games i listed above.

Of course, games will sell more if they release on multiple platforms, but i highly doubt FF16 and FF7 Rebirth wouldve been considered successful by Square if they had an extra 15% of sales on xbox. It didnt work for other flops, why would it work for these games?
 

Drell

Member
Why are DEI people all MS fanboys? Sony is doing as much for them, right? Isn't it better for them to go full onboard with both of them and go against the evil patriarcal conservative Nintendo?
 

rm082e

Member
Did it work for Star Wars Outlaws? Avatar? Forspoken? Redfall? Suicide Squad? Concord? Hellblade 2? Forza 8?

Nah they all flopped. Devs shouldve just focused on console versions making them better and more fun than wasting time pandering to an audience who clearly gives no fucks about these games. This was posted before Helldivers went viral but every game since GOW 2018 has failed to hit those highs. PC players just dont care about JRPGs either. I dont blame japanese developers for taking Sony's millions to sign 1 year deals. Id rather Sony invest those millions in first party studios but the point is that these games are not going to become successful just because they launched on PC day one. And we know from 4 years of sales data that xs versions max out at 15%. Again, if sony is paying $50-100 million for moneyhats, it makes up whatever money they wouldve earned on PC or Xbox. It still sucks but if there is no market for these games or a very small market that is shrinking instead of growing (HFW peaked at 40k after HZD peaked at 56k) then whats the point?

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Are you saying a bunch of single player games flopped because they don't have a high peak concurrent player number? If so, seems like the wrong metric to look at. Seems like lifetime sales would be a better metric. Clearly Sony is selling enough copies to justify continuing to port these games.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Bro. It's newfound energy for Alex. The premise of the thread. He had ample time over the years, but look at that, he handwaves in the OP.

I don't follow Alex enough to know his pivots but my posts were about people generally complaining about exclusives and Benny's receipts on the comment that people didn't use to complain like this before.

Y'all can take Alex to task. It doesn't make the quotes I was replying to incorrect 🤷‍♂️


Was that supposed to be a "complaint" about that game's timed exclusivity?

Now again, how do you feel about STALKER, The Medium, etc.?

I feel sad for the people who won't get to play STALKER 2 at launch.

Thank you for asking my opinion.

Edit: So you are going to leave a laughing emoji and run away. lol.....ok. You are earning that tag today, my friend.

Damn dude, give a brother a minute, not glued to gaf :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 
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Topher

Identifies as young
I feel sad for the people who won't get to play STALKER 2 at launch.

Thank you for asking my opinion.

I'm sorry, but the word of the thread is "pathetic" and that's exactly what this response is.

Damn dude, give a brother a minute, not glued to gaf :messenger_grinning_sweat:

My bad. Has to be hard to have to come up with bullshit like that.
 
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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
I don't follow Alex enough to know his pivots but my posts were about people generally complaining about exclusives and Benny's receipts on the comment that people didn't use to complain like this before.

Y'all can take Alex to task. It doesn't make the quotes I was replying to incorrect 🤷‍♂️






I feel sad for the people who won't get to play STALKER 2 at launch.

Thank you for asking my opinion.



Damn dude, give a brother a minute, not glued to gaf :messenger_grinning_sweat:
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
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Why Ghost of Tsushima's out of the chart? Didn't fit your narrative perhaps?
thats not my chart and i clearly pointed out that the chart was from before helldivers 2 went viral and that was months before ghost of tsushima. good to see you found one game out of the 11 games sony has released since gow 2018 that topped GOW 2018's peak users.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm sorry, but the word of the thread is "pathetic" and that's exactly what this response is.

It's the only reply the question deserved.

Not sure what asking for my opinion on STALKER 2 was going to accomplish, the quote chain I was replying to was addressing someone who said 'people never used to complain about exclusives like this before', a statement objectively wrong.

Complaining about a different timed exclusive and asking me to account for it just proved that point.


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Topher

Identifies as young
It's the only reply the question deserved.

Not sure what asking for my opinion on STALKER 2 was going to accomplish, the quote chain I was replying to was addressing someone who said 'people never used to complain about exclusives like this before', a statement objectively wrong.

Complaining about a different timed exclusive and asking me to account for it just proved that point.


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The only point you proved is that "people" will complain about timed exclusivity and so will you, but only when it isn't Microsoft.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You have to excuse Adam, he is incapable of critical responses towards The Brand™

Either not in the programming or he is being observed. 🤭

The Ambassador program shut down.


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The only point you proved is that "people" will complain about timed exclusivity and so will you, but only when it isn't Microsoft.

Yes. Everyone complains. You, me, DeepEnigma DeepEnigma are all complaining about different things here.

That's the whole point lol.
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Doing shitty overhyped games is hurting SE nothing more.
This. I dont know wtf they were thinking with FF7 Rebirth but surely they know that most people dont want to play dozens of hours of mini games and have characters who act like complete buffoons.

The MMO caliber quest design and padded out story content made me want to kill myself as the campaign dragged to hour 60. I couldnt believe an AAA game would have fetch quests like that as part of their single player campaign.

Forspoken is forspoken.

I would not blame Sony's moneyhatting these games for their lack of success. If anything, the millions sony gave SE likely saved them.
 

nowhat

Member
I don't get why he's so harsh about PS exclusivity, it has worked great for Square-Enix so far
I mean... it really has? Not perhaps to the over-zealous sales figures the SE executives want, but otherwise, reasonable sales figures. Good even. Not to mention the development support from SIE.

Would day-and-date Xbox releases have moved the needle, especially given the porting/support costs? Not necessarily. Unless it's Gamepass, sales on Xbox have been consistently rather poor.
 
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Midn1ght

Member
thats not my chart and i clearly pointed out that the chart was from before helldivers 2 went viral and that was months before ghost of tsushima. good to see you found one game out of the 11 games sony has released since gow 2018 that topped GOW 2018's peak users.
I just found extremely weird that you're blaming PC for Concord and other Sony fuck-ups. You're basically saying these games would have turn into critical success if they didn't waste time developing for PC which is extremely dumb to say and just your usual cheap shot toward PC.

We also know that CCU doesn't tell the whole story, Spider-Man has a lower CCU than GOW but sold more, same for Day's Gone that sold over 1.5 million copies on PC Vs. a low CCU number.

It's been over 4 years since HZD released on Steam and Sony's not stopping any time soon which mean they are happy with numbers. Deal with it.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It will take time from The Pledge™ recitals to be cleansed from the program.

All jokes aside.

I really don't give a shit about Alex. He's entitled to his own rants on his social media, but everyone does complain about x being exclusive to y so that part is definitely not new and that's why I disagreed with you when you said newfound energy. If you meant that specific to Alex, I don't follow him enough to comment on that, sorry.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
He's right. Paid exclusivity is stupid and it's proving to be bad for third party developers as well (see Square Enix).

I don't get it. Are a bunch of mediocre games supposed to do well on PC?
Nope. See above. Thats precisely the point. The shitty games will sell poorly on PC, PS5, and XS. Paid exclusivity is not the reason why shit games flop or mediocre SE games underperform.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
The Ambassador program shut down.


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Yes. Everyone complains. You, me, DeepEnigma DeepEnigma are all complaining about different things here.

That's the whole point lol.

Ah good. Then tell us how shitty it is that Microsoft has a timed exclusivity deal for Stalker 2. Don't care about you feeling sorry for those who can't play right away. That is a shitty timed exclusive deal, right?

Come on....you can say it. No strings, right?
 
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Bernardougf

Member
This. I dont know wtf they were thinking with FF7 Rebirth but surely they know that most people dont want to play dozens of hours of mini games and have characters who act like complete buffoons.

The MMO caliber quest design and padded out story content made me want to kill myself as the campaign dragged to hour 60. I couldnt believe an AAA game would have fetch quests like that as part of their single player campaign.

Forspoken is forspoken.

I would not blame Sony's moneyhatting these games for their lack of success. If anything, the millions sony gave SE likely saved them.
After the awful FFXV I peaced out in them, I played Remake because it was free and force myself trough that slog... Rebirth even being considered for goty is the absolute picture of the current shitty state of the industry.
 

Kataploom

Gold Member
I mean... it really has? Not perhaps to the over-zealous sales figures the SE executives want, but otherwise, reasonable sales figures. Good even. Not to mention the development support from SIE.

Would day-and-date Xbox releases have moved the needle, especially given the porting/support costs? Not necessarily. Unless it's Gamepass, sales on Xbox have been consistently rather poor.
It was sarcasm lol, I thought it was clear from all recent news and statements about SE
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ah good. Then tell us how shitty it is that Microsoft has a timed exclusivity deal for Stalker 2. Don't care about you feeling sorry for those who can't play right away. That is a shitty timed exclusive deal, right?

Come on....you can say it. No strings, right?

Yes, timed exclusive deals are shitty. Especially from third party entries which have had numbered releases on other platform(s) before.

People used to complain about it and people will complain about it in future as well. It's just the way it is.
 

nowhat

Member
Yes, timed exclusive deals are shitty. Especially from third party entries which have had numbered releases on other platform(s) before.

People used to complain about it and people will complain about it in future as well. It's just the way it is.
You came so close to denouncing a single game of your preferred balls-to-the-throat vendor, but ended up handwaving the whole thing. Quite impressive, really.
 

seb85

Member
He's right. Paid exclusivity is stupid and it's proving to be bad for third party developers as well (see Square Enix).
It's a business strategy to edge the competition what's the point of multiple console existence if all games is going to come to all consoles , company need reason to make you pick up their console and exclusivity have been the strategy since console Existence
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
I just found extremely weird that you're blaming PC for Concord and other Sony fuck-ups. You're basically saying these games would have turn into critical success if they didn't waste time developing for PC which is extremely dumb to say and just your usual cheap shot toward PC.

We also know that CCU doesn't tell the whole story, Spider-Man has a lower CCU than GOW but sold more, same for Day's Gone that sold over 1.5 million copies on PC Vs. a low CCU number.

It's been over 4 years since HZD released on Steam and Sony's not stopping any time soon which mean they are happy with numbers. Deal with it.
Not blaming Concord for PC. I listed it as part of a list of flops that released on both consoles and PCs on day one to prove to analog_future that bad games sell poorly and sony's moneyhatting isnt the reason why forspoken flopped and FF7 and FF16 underperformed.

I dont think having devs focus on one sku is a shot at anyone. I said the same thing about Forza 8 and Halo. Halo infinite came out very unpolished on all platforms just like Forza. Had the studio focused on one sku, obviously it would come out more polished. The biggest most expensive studio in the world focuses on consoles and leaves PC versions out for years to do exactly what im saying. maybe you think Rockstar is as dumb as I am for suggesting they delay PC versions for more polish, and if thats the case, i will take that as a compliment.

I have posted sales figures and revenues generated of these games by sony. I dont wish to get suckered into an argument based on speculation. If you disagree then fine, i have my numbers, you have your numbers, lets agree to disagree.
 
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