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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Only for special editions. I don't see them making a standard disc SKU.
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Could Sony sell a PS5 Pro with disc drive included?
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GametimeUK
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No, discs are a relic of the past.
Bojji
Member
Digital only generation from Sony (maybe PS6?) will be funny - I wonder if people will really like their super expensive games, dlcs and stuff with dogshit refund policy sony has and zero alternative vendors. The worst kind of digital future you can imagine.
Discs are the best thing consoles have at the moment, it fucks me up that we have only few years left before they are gone (and any kind of actual ownership with them).
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angelgs90
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Where? here in Europe you can only get expensive drives from scalpers.
Toots
Gold Member
I guess OP is right, the fact that disk drives have been out of stock since september 2024 is not enough of a dropkick to their customer's balls.
Announcing disk drive PS5 pro while not replenishing the disk drive stock for us who bought it day one is totally the type of move Hulst could derive pleasure from.
Announcing disk drive PS5 pro while not replenishing the disk drive stock for us who bought it day one is totally the type of move Hulst could derive pleasure from.
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Player Respawn
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Sony can do whatever they want… too open ended of a question lol
Rocco Schiavone
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ReyBrujo
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Wasn't it like 80% of their sales are digital nowadays? They sure know, if they keep it is for backwards compatibility.
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Toots
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noob smokes
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Chill son they made killzone
ReBurn
Gold Member
The thing you own may be, though. The term most people use to describe such things is "antiques."Owning something is never a relic of the past.
Felessan
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so many believers in conspiracy theories 
portal probably also had "intented" shortages
supply situation with drives will even out. And Sony seems just don't want to bother with separate SKU and all hurdles related to it, probably estimated that they will get no profit with it (enthusiasts as a core target for pro are sophisticated enough to buy and install disk drive separately).
portal probably also had "intented" shortages
supply situation with drives will even out. And Sony seems just don't want to bother with separate SKU and all hurdles related to it, probably estimated that they will get no profit with it (enthusiasts as a core target for pro are sophisticated enough to buy and install disk drive separately).
diffusionx
Gold Member
They could do whatever they want, they dont want to.
diffusionx
Gold Member
There were no shortages until the PS5 Pro came out, as well. I bought one in late Octoboer.
Sony definitely fucked up, I am not letting them off the hook. But they probably thought the % of people who wanted a disc drive was the same % as bought one for the base PS5, and supplied based on that. But they were wrong because Pro people are enthusiast who do want it.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I'd say the lack of Disc Drive option is probably holding back sales.
You think people that wanted a disc drive just got the digital instead?
Not without the disc drive..
and if they can't get it due to availability they probably gonna hold off buying altogether, with a few exceptions.
You think people that wanted a disc drive just got the digital instead?
Not without the disc drive..
and if they can't get it due to availability they probably gonna hold off buying altogether, with a few exceptions.
SegaSnatcher
Member
They could, but they really don't want you to buy a disc drive, because that means you potentially buying games cheaper than on their digital store.
That is why they made sure stock was limited for the disc drive accessory.
That is why they made sure stock was limited for the disc drive accessory.
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saintjules
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I am intrigued to see what the packaging for the PS6 will be like...
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Felessan
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Doubt it
Most will settle to "buy now Pro and wait for disk drive availability"
Most for sure are mixed collection, physical only probably a small minority. And mixed collection can sustain on digital part for the time being.
yeah, evil corporations blablabla
If they wanted to go all digital - why would they not made ps5 pro digital only and instead fo to sketchy road of "limited availability of disk drive" (when you can strip slim of disk drive)
99% of the times its mishaps in management of expectations (a typical human error, planning IS hard) and not an evil plot
but conspiracy theories fans will still believe in aliens
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RickMasters
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What’s the point? They make more money this way. If you really want want one you will eventually buy one
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
radiant_ch
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I mean.. they could. But will they?
PaintTinJr
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Maybe because gamers haven't moved an inch since the Xbox one failure and doing what they've done with the Pro is going to cost them at least two onion layers of their PS6 sales at launch if they repeat this situation.
At present I'm pretty sure the PS5 Pro is no where close to the aligned PS4 Pro sales in the UK, and with such a high launch price to disguise a massively bloated PS5 slim + Drive price they've boxed themselves in with the PS6 leaks/launch eating up their sales runway and killing PS5 pro hype IMO.
If they righted the wrong by doing a built-in disc drive, now they've still got a lot of other SKUs at the wrong prices for them to hit some belated momentum with a £549 price to offset the lost FOMO, and that change of price would also be a big issue for the early adopters that got taxed.
Personally I think they've completely botched the PS5 Pro release and potentially Xbox One'd the launch of the PS6 with the question mark of if the drive will be built-in for the PS6 OG.
gooner4life_uk
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It's their product, they could sell it with a robot mariachi band thrown in if they wanted.
Will they?
No.
Will they?
No.
Old cards are getting the new DLSS yet they're needlessly blocked from running multiframegen despite having more power than a 5070. Then people are acting like this isn't manipulative?
If anything the fact that they made the res scaling itself unified is because they don't want developers to be making and testing 2 different versions of a game on separate install bases with completely different models. It's just dropped support.
They blocked the feature that was easiest for them though, don't let them get too many frames and use that in marketing when trying to sell them new cards.
Felessan
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It takes months to increase supply (+logistic)
There is also a "rush" problem, even if Sony increase production to actual demand levels, it'll take months for situation to stabilize. Because they will adjust ration against slightly above level of current sales, not to satisfy quickly the pent up demand from launch. For example if they misjudged demand at launch by 1 mil drives and demand at current level sales is 200k, they will scale up production to ~300k and not to 1mil, because if they do to 1 mil, they quickly will have oversupply once pent-up demand is satisfied. And it will take quite some time to fill 1 mil pent-up demand by 100k extra capacity.
The same as in MMO no one really increase server capacity on launch of expansion to the grief and frustration of players - abnormal peak online with queues and lags will die in a week or two and you'll be forced to descale, and increase/decrease capacity are not that simple usually.
A few and most are quite different things.
I actually don't know a person whom drive situation stopped from buying Pro. There are a handful of other reason, but inability to buy drive outright is certainly not a major factor.
intheinbetween
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Customers have accepted to take the cost of a disc drive separately so now Sony, and MS, will probably release the next gen consoles with no built-in disc drive for 600$, so save some money for the disc drive if you want to go physical
SegaSnatcher
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Too many people still rely on a physical collection I guess for them to totally abandon support.
Felessan
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They support it on slim which does have separate SKU with disk drive, because for slim target market it's important, as unsophisticated people might have problem with installing drive
I think you can actually buy disk slim, strip it of disk drive, resell slim as digital - and get drive at around msrp price, which make argument that Sony "forcing into digital future" kinda mute.
Bojji
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Fuck me, yeah we should all buy console - then sell it at loss to have disc drive for another console...
Sony fucked up, they didn't create enough disc drives for launch of the console that is digital only aimed at hardcore gamers - many of them have discs collections. They did that on purpose or it's just pure incompetence, only Sony knows...
StereoVsn
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I think we need to see how well Pro is selling first before the judgment can be fully made on customer acceptance.
That said, it is very likely that both Sony and MS will go with drive optional in next console gen. Oh and I can’t see the consoles starting below $600 (so $800ish CA and €700+ EU).
CliffBronger
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They could, but they make more money by killing off the second hand game market as much as they can.
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llien
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Sure, they can do whatever they want. They‘re clearly pushing for a digital only future but aren’t sure if the market is ready and as such leave their options open. Given the demand of external disk drives they might sell a bundle down the line recognizing that physical media is still in high demand…or the opposite.
I still remember:
I hope if Sony tries to pull digital only, Micro$oft responds in kind...
llien
Banned
While true, "somehow you guys live with that in PC world"Owning something is never a relic of the past.
Felessan
Member
What's the point? It's non-issue for them
Their digital (games+add-ons+mtx) revenue are 20 times higher than "sales of physical games"
It's really irrelevant for Sony whether you can resell your disc or not, now not 2000 when it could make difference
Actually for Sony it's better if you resell disk than sell account with digital copy, because in case of disk buyer have to buy add-ons etc separately
Doctor Hades
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Yes, Sony could sell the PS5 Pro will a disc drive included but they won't for two key reasons:-
1. They can make more profit from selling the disc drive and even that stand separately;
2. Sony want to 'push' their customers towards digital game purchases so they have more control over pricing etc. This also effectively kills off the second hand market where they don't make any money at all.
1. They can make more profit from selling the disc drive and even that stand separately;
2. Sony want to 'push' their customers towards digital game purchases so they have more control over pricing etc. This also effectively kills off the second hand market where they don't make any money at all.
AngelMuffin
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Most likely not. The whole point of leaving the disk drive out was to get to a certain price point and even at $699, people’s heads exploded.
Bojji
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No, disc drive is probably cheaper than that SSD upgrade. They removed the drive to make money on selling it with huge margins and/or to force more people into digital.
AngelMuffin
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Exactly. So why would they add the drive and drop the price if that was their strategy? They’re not going to reduce the SSD size or anything.
Seriously, is that what’s keeping people from buying a Pro? The disk drive? You have the option to buy one if matters that much to you. Makes 0 sense for Sony to release another sku.
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Bojji
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Option to buy one? That would be nice...
Pro without disc drive offer me less options than my current disc model. Disc drives aren't available and when they are - prices are ridiculous.
Price of the console itself is ridiculous outside US...
Trogdor1123
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AngelMuffin
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You can buy the drive right now on PS Direct for $79.
Miles708
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Not as long as you suckers are willing to pay extra for basic featuresThe fact that the box is 'black', like the PS5 Digital, makes me think a 'white' one with the disc drive included could be a thing in the future.
Thoughts?
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