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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen

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Darsxx82

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FalconPunch said:
Yes because, you don't develop a game for all these years then in the final stretch of development decide to introduce physics. That is if you're sane... If you've ever worked on a game, better yet, even played around in a game engine like unreal or unity, you'll see that physics introduces a lot of bugs... That's something you work on from day 1.... If it's not there now, I don't expect to see a high level of physical interactivity in the game.
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Just because you don't notice it in a few seconds of pre-alpha gameplay doesn't mean that none exist... and it doesn't mean that it's not something they haven't worked on either.

Then, physics, interactivity with the environment, etc. are things inherent to the graphics engine. I repeat, imagine thinking that the most plausible thing is that none of that is present when they use a graphics engine that excels in those aspects and that the same Studio implemented in a game where they weren't even necessary.

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Darsxx82

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GymWolf said:
Yeah i expect the forza studio to translate everything they did in racing games to an open world, it would be absolutely idiotic not to do so.

Unless the game got so heavy because of nocs simulation etc. And they have no room for that but i doubt it.

I don't expect red faction but also not a completely static game.
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Nobody can be sure of anything, but to think that it is most likely to expect that the interaction with the environment, physics, etc. will be "null" in the final game when the FH of the same Studio, the same engine, open world as well, "same" assets/vegetation have stood out in that..... It would truly be something strange and surprising to me and we would have to know what explanation it would have.
 
H . R . 2

H . R . 2

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Voice actor Khary Payton, who plays Black Panther (Azzuri, the grandfather of T’Challa), has provided an update, indicating that it may be a “Christmas situation.”

Speaking to The Direct at MultiCon in Los Angeles, Payton said, “We’re still working. We’re planning on 2025.

“And to be playing him in the video game, playing his grandfather, be playing a version of Black Panther, and looking on there and seeing that it’s me… It’s like the most photo-realistic…We want people to play this game and have the entire family sit on the sofa and watch it like they’re watching ‘Game of Thrones,’ or ‘The Walking Dead,’ or something. We’re looking for just an incredible cinematic experience for everybody, and I pinch myself.”


this doesn't bode well for the game
sounds a lot like a Telltale-style type of game ..

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PS. have a look at this scene and tell me I am not right about cinematography and cinematic lighting as the key differentiator between photorealistic games that have bland visuals and those that have talented DOPs
 
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GymWolf

GymWolf

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H . R . 2 said:
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“And to be playing him in the video game, playing his grandfather, be playing a version of Black Panther, and looking on there and seeing that it’s me… It’s like the most photo-realistic…We want people to play this game and have the entire family sit on the sofa and watch it like they’re watching ‘Game of Thrones,’ or ‘The Walking Dead,’ or something. We’re looking for just an incredible cinematic experience for everybody, and I pinch myself.”

this doesn't bode well for the game
sounds a lot like a Telltale-style type of game ..
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Didn't they already said that this wasn't a gameplay centric game??!

I was fully expecting something like hb2 or more restricted.
 
H . R . 2

H . R . 2

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GymWolf said:
Didn't they already said that this wasn't a gameplay centric game??!

I was fully expecting something like hb2 or more restricted.
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it's still possible that it will be more similar to The Order1886 than a Telltale game but still... I hope you're right and they are prioritising gameplay. because if they pull this off, it will be far more impressive than HB2
 
GymWolf

GymWolf

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H . R . 2 said:
it's still possible that it will be more similar to The Order1886 than a Telltale game but still... I hope you're right and they are prioritising gameplay. because if they pull this off, it will be far more impressive than HB2
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I think it's gonna be even more restricted than hb2, you can't have that fidelity with a proper game.
 
H . R . 2

H . R . 2

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GymWolf said:
I think it's gonna be even more restricted than hb2, you can't have that fidelity with a proper game.
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True, ...or we might have been shown only cutscenes and the actual gameplay is a notch or two less detailed
I am personally looking forward to seeing some gameplay; this is the only game that managed to impress me with not only its visuals but also its facial animations and overall cinematography

unpopular opinion:
HB2 would have been also just as impressive, had they gone with a more expressive actress. at first, I remember thinking that Ninja Theory might not have been skilled enough to do Senua's facial animations justice but then I watched some BTS footage of the game and was convinced that all the oddities with the animations are actually precise captures of the actress's rather emotionless features.
 
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Audiophile

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Rumours of Modern Warfare 4 coming in 2026/27 on current gen systems only with a version on the next Xbox too. No PS4/X1. About time if so...

I thought IW did a great job (technically speaking) with MW'19 on the tail end of the gen and was really hyped to see where it'd go next with new consoles on the horizon.....unfortunately the games got worse, they didn't aim as high technically; and they were hamstrung by the PS4/X1 for years to come.
 
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H . R . 2

H . R . 2

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Audiophile said:
Rumours of Modern Warfare 4 coming in 2026/27 on current gen systems only with a version on the next Xbox too. No PS4/X1. About time if so...

I thought IW did a great job (technically speaking) with MW'19 on the tail end of the gen and was really hyped to see where it'd go next with new consoles on the horizon.....unfortunately the games got worse, they didn't aim as high technically; and they were hamstrung by the PS4/X1 for years to come.
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now take into account that the next-gen consoles are rumoured to be releasing in 2027, and now suddenly you've got yourself a 'cross-gen' title
 
rofif

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Buggy Loop said:
I mean it does look like how lighting did on raster in previous gens. Not sure I see the flex. Probelight grids for open world dynamic time of day as been done countless times.

As I said in that other thread we had for a while on Lumen/RTGI vs raster, there's a shitload of tricks peoples have done with raster to make it believable and there's STILL room for improvement.

If the environment is destructible like a crafting/building game, or has drastic scene changes that are not scripted, then RTGI/Lumen solution makes more sense. Otherwise you can 99% fool users with raster for better performances, if you have the manpower to lit the scene for any kind of complex games. A demo is not much to go by. There's a reason why 4Agames don't ever want to go back to raster after doing Metro exodus EE. It's a pain in the A to lit in raster for anything that has scale.

A game like Silent Hill 2 has no reason to be ray traced. Its fully static. But it did save artistic time and allows for smaller teams.

SSR sure as fuck isn't a flex. Fuck SSR.
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no chance in hell you would know it's not ray tracing if the guy didn't say that.
I don't believe you.
in no way it looks like "previous gen raster"
 
rofif

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Buggy Loop said:
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Lame? Says the guy calling me out in a graphical fidelity thread about not detecting ray tracing difference. Pretty fucking lame. You're better off to discuss 720p FF16 PS5 baseline as far as your graphic fidelity knowledge goes.
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tryhard energy "nah it's not good graphics, it's not rt".
lame. lame. lame.
And try harder. ff16 is not 720p. It's closer to dynamic 1440p. But you wouldn't know.
SlimySnake said:
I thought this was very interesting. Guy made a level in ue5 using nanite but not lumen. Says hes getting great performance without using lumen despite the lighting being realtime.



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Hey guys. buggy expert here said this looks like last gen crap. we can close the shop here.
apparently god of war he played looked like that.

It's the same last gen -rtless picture.
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Buggy Loop

Buggy Loop

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rofif said:
tryhard energy "nah it's not good graphics, it's not rt".
lame. lame. lame.
And try harder. ff16 is not 720p. It's closer to dynamic 1440p. But you wouldn't know.

Hey guys. buggy expert here said this looks like last gen crap. we can close the shop here.
apparently god of war he played looked like that.

It's the same last gen -rtless picture.
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When did I say it looks like last gen crap? That's you shitting on last gen if anything and wow, good luck defending that.

There's a ton of amazing raster lighting games last gen and still to this day you dummy. There's a ton of tricks to make lighting close to ray tracing and like I said, if your scene is not dynamic there's very little reason to ray trace. Don't talk about things you don't know about.
 
rofif

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Buggy Loop said:
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When did I say it looks like last gen crap? That's you shitting on last gen if anything and wow, good luck defending that.

There's a ton of amazing raster lighting games last gen and still to this day you dummy. There's a ton of tricks to make lighting close to ray tracing and like I said, if your scene is not dynamic there's very little reason to ray trace. Don't talk about things you don't know about.
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edit: whatever... you have to be stupid to think I don't know how baked lighting works
 
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Buggy Loop

Buggy Loop

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rofif said:
why you assume I don't know about baked lighting?
You constantly assume and assume and assume.
I played naughty dog games and I know a good bake looks better than realtime rt. Of course. I agree.
But I don't understand why you think this is some secret knowledge that I wouldn't know. Looks to me like you just like looking smart and assume other people are retartds
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Do you even remember why you called me out in the first place Rofif or you forgot your meds? Go to sleep.
 
Buggy Loop

Buggy Loop

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Lethal01 said:
But that 95% of this thread
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Yea I know. Been saying for a while there's really no logical reason for a game like Silent hill 2 to be spamming Lumen refresh like a stroboscope when everything is virtually static. But the reason why is simple, it saves a lot of pain to use Lumen/RT than to do old raster method which is more artistic driven. Still developers are asking Epic to have more control over Lumen refreshes and have scene events toggle a refresh when needed rather than always running.

There's a ton of raster techniques that came really damn close if not better (less noise) lighting than RT. And still some new raster techniques still in development that are very promising.

Not sure why I was attacked on this. I'm not downplaying the dude's graphics but it is noticeable that its reverting back to raster.

Path tracing is the end game imho but the performances aren't there.

RT is honestly kind of like a stop-gap inbetween and start to be similar to grid probe light systems for the most part. Best thing about RT in the meantime is getting rid of SSR, but I could live with a good dynamic probe light system like we saw in Red dead redemption 2 or uncharted 4, etc. I can't stand screen space effects though fucking hell they are annoying.
 
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mrMUR_96

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SlimySnake said:
This is crazy lol. This movie won two oscars, Best animated Film, and Best International Film, and it was rendered in realtime in blender on a single PC. Insane considering how Pixar movies take like 3 days to render one frame on supercomputers. or was it one second? I dont remember.



Looks stylized but still has some very impressive physics.

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EEVEE isn't true realtime in the same way games are. Apparently the final render 4k frames took between .5s-10s on his pc. Still impressive, but way way slower than videogame frame budgets.
 
DanielG165

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This game looks incredible, holy. Even though it’s mainly down to heavy chromatic abberation post processing effects, and the lighting. The textures look amazing as well. I’m assuming it’s using the full UE5 suite.
 
GymWolf

GymWolf

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rofif said:
looks like a low budget german rpg and medium budget at the same time.
I am not seeing it
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It make look foreskin like a ps4 game in comparison, and you know i kinda like foreskins.

But i would not use "truly phenomenal" either to describe the game.

It definitely punch way above its weight.
 
RodriGames40

RodriGames40

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GymWolf said:
It make look foreskin like a ps4 game in comparison, and you know i kinda like foreskins.

But i would not use "truly phenomenal" either to describe the game.

It definitely punch way above its weight.
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It's very aesthetically achieved for a first timer studio, there are clearly metahumans in use for the main characters and they straight up look real. There is dynamic mesh damage on battles, the cinematography is surprisingly competent from other gameplays I have seen... Don't think cloth has ever looked better in a game too, unsurprisingly for the french.
 
GymWolf

GymWolf

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RodriGames40 said:
It's very aesthetically achieved for a first timer studio, there are clearly metahumans in use for the main characters and they straight up look real. There is dynamic mesh damage on battles, the cinematography is surprisingly competent from other gameplays I have seen... Don't think cloth has ever looked better in a game too, unsurprisingly for the french.
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Characters are not even on the level of horizon metahumans, you know, a 3 years old crossgen gigantic open world with like 180 characters in the game.

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Sorry but if you can't even beat a 3 years old crossgen game in character rendering with a much smaller cast, i'm not gonna use the "truly phenomenal" description, maybe truly phenomenal for a first game but then again, wukong imo look better and that was also a first try.

It looks great, like many ue5 games and the art design is what make the game really shine.
 
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RodriGames40

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GymWolf said:
Characters are not even on the level of horizon metahumans, you know, a 3 years old crossgen gigantic open world with like 180 characters in the game.

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Sorry but if you can't even beat a 3 years old crossgen game in character rendering with a much smaller cast, i'm not gonna use the "truly phenomenal" description, maybe truly phenomenal for a first game but then again, wukong imo look better and that was also a first try.

It looks great, like many ue5 games and the art design is what make the game really shine.
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That's in-game at that, in cutscenes it very much looks comparable. Horizon ain't being beaten at that department anytime soon, looking at the current state.
 
GymWolf

GymWolf

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RodriGames40 said:
That's in-game at that, in cutscenes it very much looks comparable. Horizon ain't being beaten at that department anytime soon, looking at the current state.
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Well horizon characters look the same in every instances, aloy ingame looks identical to cutscene or during chitchat with npcs.

Not beating a 3 years old crossgen automatically bans you from being "truly phenomenal" , i save that description for stuff like gta6.

It is just a matter of semantics i guess.
 
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SlimySnake

SlimySnake

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Msamy said:

Kojima never disappointed me wow
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holy fucking shit. Kojima proved me wrong. this game looks next gen as fuck. Maybe not all the time but the lighting got a massive improvement since last year's trailer and some of the geometry looks very detailed.

Yes, the trailer is amazing and there is so much to discuss on the gameplay perspective alone, but there are so many amazing shots in this trailer that are jaw dropping. I legit went wow several times. Just goes to show that cinematography in cutscenes is needed to take the visuals to the next level. I bet UE5 and Snowdrop are probably pushing more detail ingame, but the amazing cutscene direction and awe-inspiring vistas just enhance the visuals to the next level. So many UE5 games are first person, or lack cinematic cutscenes like this. Dont even get me started on the ps2 quality cutscene direction of Outlaws, and first person cutscenes of avatar.

I think they are using hero lighting here on Sam. Some of the gameplay shots have fantastic lighting on Sam.
 
GymWolf

GymWolf

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SlimySnake said:
You probably arent too impressed. I can see why, its no Matrix awakens but this is good enough for me and a big upgrade from last year's trailer.
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Well unlike you i don't judge cutscene direction as graphic :lollipop_grinning_sweat:

I think it's a mixed bag, geometry and characters are definitely not nanite\metahuman level, the first exchange between the new actor and the other dude was particularly appaling, horizon characters look better, but some shots with the big monsters look cool i guess.

The jungle shot was less impressive than avatar jungle, the shots when he walk close those cars that are so bad looking, people are crazy if they think this is ue5 level.

I don't know, maybe it looks better live, for now i'm pretty cold.
 
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