I just checked it and it seems they can unpack LZ packed DXT.
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EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"
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I just checked it and it seems they can unpack LZ packed DXT.
Congratulations you just destroyed your performance, the GPU supports uncompressing these textures at full speed, you keep them compressed as long as possible.
haha, he didn't get banned for being disrespectful, but disingenuous.
Here is the tos, btw: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=390708
Manmademan
Member
There's actually a decent amount of merit to the argument. Most consumers can't tell the difference between 480 upscaled, 720p, and 1080p unless they're literally right next to each other.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Yeah that too. Fake insiders get the ban hammer all the time.
The LZ part of that is the important part, no sane man would decompress DXT before they have to.
All this talk about move engines, audio chips etc reminds me start of current generation and PS3 mantra about power of cell, how is it going to make a difference.
If You were around in these times, You know what I mean. SPEs able to run and exchange the code with each other, set in cascades, how collisions in Burnout are calculated thanks to this, SPEs having their own memory, SIMDisation of code etc.
In the end only few dev houses in whole industry were able to make this difference.
For all remaining it meant blood, tears an misery. Most often not appreciated which I think is best described as being 'lazy devs'.
No matter what, machine with simpler architecture will always be better than sophisticated one.
I am not telling that it will be the case, MS will work hard to offset any deficiencies on HW side with marketing, sales, publishing efforts, but looking at current announcements - 99,99% new games are being published on PS4 with very few exceptions. Virtually all new games will be there.
If this continues, we may see a PS1 or PS2-bis with most games on the market playable on just one box.
If You were around in these times, You know what I mean. SPEs able to run and exchange the code with each other, set in cascades, how collisions in Burnout are calculated thanks to this, SPEs having their own memory, SIMDisation of code etc.
In the end only few dev houses in whole industry were able to make this difference.
For all remaining it meant blood, tears an misery. Most often not appreciated which I think is best described as being 'lazy devs'.
No matter what, machine with simpler architecture will always be better than sophisticated one.
I am not telling that it will be the case, MS will work hard to offset any deficiencies on HW side with marketing, sales, publishing efforts, but looking at current announcements - 99,99% new games are being published on PS4 with very few exceptions. Virtually all new games will be there.
If this continues, we may see a PS1 or PS2-bis with most games on the market playable on just one box.
CadetMahoney
Member
I disagree, the 50%+ alone will brute force better performance (framerates/tearing etc.) even if they don't implement better lighting/textures etc in the PS4 versions.
They will actually have to spend more money coding downgrading the PS4 versions to the low xbone level so that the framedrops are equal.
phosphor112
Banned
I sit like 4 feet away from my tv because games are so blurry these days. Trying to play BF3 on PS3/360 is just baaad. Trying to see people with so few pixels... gotta sit close to see the single pixel that represents a person on the other side of a map that's shooting at you...
Which is great, but I'm not sure I'd offer this as something that helps 'close the gap' with PS4. It also has hardware to decompress assets without bothering the CPU or GPU.
I didn't know that. You have a link or something at your disposal?
velociraptor
Junior Member
Personally I don't see how sub elements of the Xbox will mitigate the substantial GPU advantage the PS4 holds. It's 50% more powerful in raw performance alone. No amount of hardware scaling, audio chips and data move engines will do anything to achieve the same resolution or framerate that the PS4 may be capable of. Remember the Edge quote? 1080p 30FPS vs 900p 20-something FPS.
Higher resolutions will always look superior to lower resolutions, irrespective of TV viewing distance.
And yet there are some out there who think resolution doesn't matter. Heh.
Higher resolutions will always look superior to lower resolutions, irrespective of TV viewing distance.
We have known for a while that it contains a LZ decoder.
Can Crusher
Banned
Well didn't you just bombed the shit out of the argument? By saying most consumers can't notice the difference between 480 upscaled and 1080p, which isn't even based on any sort of statistic, then you are just saying that most consumers wouldn't notice the difference between a Wii U and a Xbox One.
I can also say that if I sit 10 feet away from my 27"" T.V, I won't notice the difference between Bf3 on maximum on the PC, and BF3 on the PS3. What does that mean in the end?
It was in the very first PS4 leak, on vgleaks.
http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-ps4-in-deep-first-specs/
And size !
I can remember people saying you couldn't tell the difference between 1080p and 720p under 32 inches. Well guess what, i can tell the difference on 4 inches smartphones...
Sword Of Doom
Member
That's my concern too. It's only fair that a platform dedicated to mainly gaming is rewarded by games utilizing every ounce of power. There's something inherently wrong with "console parity".
Codeblew
Member
I dunno. I would gladly take 50% more power on GTA5. Would help the framerate a whole lot.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Jesus fucking christ.
The mental gymnastics some of you make to justify the XB1's weaker hardware is just...wow.
The mental gymnastics some of you make to justify the XB1's weaker hardware is just...wow.
CadetMahoney
Member
Sites like digital foundry will start losing money as there will be no drama since PS4 will win all face-offs and it will be the same old story in all comparisons.
Agree, there no area where xbone is stronger for making better performing multiplatform games. PS4 is more balanced.
Obviously, since a PS4 can stand vertical.
From what we know now? you mean seemingly parity in online features or PS4 being superior?
Party chat
Paywall for standard games
multiple profiles logged on to one console
2000 PS4 friends vs. 1000 XBL friends
Offline Co-op available full screen TV and Vita remote play together(!) - see the knack interview.
I'm really struggling to see why multiplayer focused would be better than PS4 from what we know now?
I would love for you to elaborate your, probably purposefully, vague post
There is a difference between scene complexity, draw distance, lighting, framerate, physics, ect. and resolution. The average consumer will be able to tell the difference between nextgen and current gen watchdogs. but they most likely wont be able to tell the difference between native 900p upscaled and native 1080p next gen watchdogs. However, that doesn't mean the difference isn't there.
Thanks, I appreciate your comment!
dedicated servers arguably beat out all of those advantages.
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Which is my point.
Nightengale
Member
Would it surprise you to learn that several PS3 games had dedicated servers, and a lot of Xbox games didn't?
And that only less than 5 games thus far are promising dedicated servers on XB1? ( Titanfall, Forza, Halo, CoD:Ghost)
Chobel
Member
Oh god!
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I would argue that PSN has been just fine with online. There's really no time where I feel crippled like I can't play other than some scheduled maintenance. I think that argument where people perceive XBL as better is a thing of the past but people seem to still cling to it.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I love it when I run into someone in real life who says "Well, everything I've been reading on the internet says they are on par...." It is like they have access to an entirely differently internet than what most of us have access to. I can see if they want it for the exclusives but if they don't care for the exclusives then it is all about trying to justify a very expensive preorder.
Possibly, but dedicated servers are not xb1 exclusive. your not one of those that think Microsoft are giving free dedicated servers to everyone are you? because I actually have a bridge i'm selling at the moment I could Pm you about.
crazygambit
Member
Yes, but the question will always be by how much. That will vary depending on who's developing the game.
MS will probably have dedicated servers for all of their first party games where it would be useful. And they offer them to third parties at a significantly reduced price. Only bf4 has dedis on ps4. It's 5 vs 1 so far.
dragonelite
Member
If i had to choose between an console only multiplat with focus on multiplayer then X1 seems the version to get because of dedicated server but from what i gathered sony is also making deals with IaaS/HaaS providers like rackspace and amazon if im not mistaken.
Edit: Off course big part has to do with friends console choice most of my gaming friends have opted to stay with Microsoft next gen i will only get the cods and some console exclusives(launch) like GTA 5 the rest either double dip on pc or pc only for multiplats.
I've learned to ignore Klocker and his ramblings.
Crimson_Gold
Member
Cod:ghost devs have not said that the ps4 won't have dedicated servers. The dedicated server argument is a little too early to start trumpeting. This situation really isn't fully fleshed out by either side right now.
I'm guessing you're the type of person that thinks a GTR is the same level as a Mustang?
No, but when MS spends so much time boasting about dedicated servers, and 5 x1 games have dedicated servers while only one ps4 game has them, I'd call it an advantage.
Chobel
Member
I'm not sure how counting exclusives helps here. So it's 1-0 now (COD).
MS has stated that they give thirf party devs discouts for dedicated servers on x1 versions of their games. They probably give first party devs free use of dedicated servers. That is a benifit.
Nightengale
Member
So will Sony for their first-party titles. Driveclub is confirmed to have dedis. KZ isn't confirmed yet, though they said they're addressing that soon. And there's actually a fair chance CoD: Ghost will also have dedis on PS4, since they refuse to say it's exclusive to XB1.
And offering them for significantly reduced prices doesn't mean devs will utilise it. It's still additional cost, especially if publishers already have their own server resources, not to mention needing to specifically code the game differently for XB1 compared to other platforms.
Until a significant uptake of MS's dedicated servers from 3rd-party titles happen, this advantage is only a potential.
Ah i see, I thought he said multiplayer focused, not multiplatform focused. My bad. Either way, MS gives third parties discounts on dedicated servers. That is an advantage for the xbox.
If you already shelled out some money to have your favourite console at launch, would you now accept the fact that you're paying more money for a far weaker gaming hardware?
Well, welcome to relativism!
Crimson_Gold
Member
So you're saying Sony won't be able to provide 1st party dedicated servers? The discounted servers MS is offering is the only known advantage, but could possibly be matched by Sony. Until we see who takes advantage of it and if there is a real gap in the number of games with dedicated servers on the X1 vs the PS4, that boast is quite premature.
CoD likely will, when asked they didn't say no which lines up with their marketing strategy.
Planetside 2
DC:UO
EQNext
Destiny
The Division
War Thunder
All obviously have dedicated servers as they are MMO's not sure where you got the 5 for xbox one though.
Drive-by bullshit.
More like a drive-by shooting blanks.