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[onQ123]

It's funny to see people using the Xbox One enhancements to try & even up the difference but at the same time ignore all the PS4 enhancements.

Guess we should ignore the fact that the PS4 is enhanced for asynchronous fine grained compute?

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

It's funny to see people using the Xbox One enhancements to try & even up the difference but at the same time ignore all the PS4 enhancements.

Guess we should ignore the fact that the PS4 is enhanced for asynchronous fine grained compute?

We know of some enhancements to the GPU but they havent really spoke much about the CPU. For all we know, Sony could also have MS beat on that side but they haven't said much yet.

 

[Paracelsus]

This whole thing looks like Vegeta thinking he finally reached Goku by turning Majin SSJ2 while Goku is holding back SSJ3.

 

[Scape3d]

I believe there are differences but honestly, I doubt the common user (my self included) will notice a huge gap in performance or visual clarity. That being said, I'll be going with the PS4 all the way. I've given up on Xbox at this point.

 

[Skeff]

This whole thing looks like Vegeta thinking he finally reached Goku by turning Majin SSJ2 while Goku is holding back SSJ3.

No!

I've seen too many thread turn into DBZ comparisons and be closed.

 

[daman824]

So you're saying Sony won't be able to provide 1st party dedicated servers? The discounted servers MS is offering is the only known advantage, but could possibly be matched by Sony. Until we see who takes advantage of it and if there is a real gap in the number of games with dedicated servers on the X1 vs the PS4, that boast is quite premature.

I'm going by the info that we have. Does killzone have dedicated servers? Azure is a benifit for the xbox. I mean sure we can wait a year and see. But right now, ms has the advantage in tha area.

 

[jayu26]

MS will probably have dedicated servers for all of their first party games where it would be useful. And they offer them to third parties at a significantly reduced price. Only bf4 has dedis on ps4. It's 5 vs 1 so far.

CoD likely will, when asked they didn't say no which lines up with their marketing strategy.

Planetside 2
DC:UO
EQNext
Destiny
The Division
War Thunder

All obviously have dedicated servers as they are MMO's not sure where you got the 5 for xbox one though.

Not only that but DriveClub also has dedicated servers. To some it is almost like MS invented this shit.

 

[daman824]

CoD likely will, when asked they didn't say no which lines up with their marketing strategy.

Planetside 2
DC:UO
EQNext
Destiny
The Division
War Thunder

All obviously have dedicated servers as they are MMO's not sure where you got the 5 for xbox one though.

What did iw say when asked about dedicated servers on cod ghosts (I really don't know)? has Sony been asked yet? why wouldn't Sony simply confirm that dedicated servers are being used in the ps4 version instead of letting people think that it won't have them?

 

[Skeff]

I'm going by the info that we have. Does killzone have dedicated servers? Azure is a benifit for the xbox. I mean sure we can wait a year and see. But right now, ms has the advantage in tha area.

We don't know about Killzone but we do know Driveclub has dedi's, as well as those SOE games I listed.

Also Azure is not linked to the Xbox one, Thunderhead is.

 

[Nightengale]

Not only that but DriveClub also has dedicated servers. To some it is almost like MS invented this shit.

It's probably MS's most successful spin, in that they actually got some people believing all games will have dedicated servers, even when Respawn outright came out and said that those servers are for rent.

 

[Guymelef]

What did iw say when asked about dedicated servers on cod ghosts (I really don't know)? has Sony been asked yet? why wouldn't Sony simply confirm that dedicated servers are being used in the ps4 version instead of letting people think that it won't have them?

"Unprecedented Partnership".

You won't see Sony talking about COD on PS4.

 

[jayu26]

What did iw say when asked about dedicated servers on cod ghosts (I really don't know)? has Sony been asked yet? why wouldn't Sony simply confirm that dedicated servers are being used in the ps4 version instead of letting people think that it won't have them?

It is not up to Sony to confirm this. It is up to Activision and Infinity Ward.

 

[daman824]

Not only that but DriveClub also has dedicated servers. To some it is almost like MS invented this shit.

No they didn't. But they spent a crap ton of money on it. An then boasted about it's uses. I mean, the general consensus here is that the "cloud" is dedicated servers and that when ms talks about "the power of the cloud" they really mean using dedicated servers right?

 

[daman824]

It is not up to Sony to confirm this. It is up to Activision and Infinity Ward.

That didn't answer the question. Why wouldn't Sony say it has them? It's a yes or no question.

 

[Nightengale]

What did iw say when asked about dedicated servers on cod ghosts (I really don't know)? has Sony been asked yet? why wouldn't Sony simply confirm that dedicated servers are being used in the ps4 version instead of letting people think that it won't have them?

IW said 'watch this space below for more information in the future.'

As for why neither can confirm nor deny, CoD:Ghost is currently promoting its dedicated servers together with the Xbox Live Cloud's Thunderhead. There's obviously a cross-promotional deal going on.

As for why some companies can not confirm/deny stuff, business, do you know it? You think Sony likes to have their events be filled with nothing but Watch_Dogs and AC4 only from 3rd-party devs?

 

[daman824]

IW said 'watch this space below for more information in the future.'

As for why neither can confirm nor deny, CoD:Ghost is currently promoting its dedicated servers together with the Xbox Live Cloud's Thunderhead. There's obviously a cross-promotional deal going on.

Serious question, is Sony contractually prohibitted from confirming the use of dedicated servers for the ps4 version?

 

[jayu26]

No they didn't. But they spent a crap ton of money on it. An then boasted about it's uses. I mean, the general consensus here is that the "cloud" is dedicated servers and that when ms talks about "the power of the cloud" they really mean using dedicated servers right?

That didn't answer the question. Why wouldn't Sony say it has them? It's a yes or no question.

Oh my goodness...it is not worth talking to you.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Oh man. The denial in this thread

Oh man. The irony of this statement.

Keep on fighting them console wars, Klocker.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

That didn't answer the question. Why wouldn't Sony say it has them? It's a yes or no question.

You're asking us here? It's on a game by game basis. Why didn't you ask MSFT about every 360 game not having dedicated servers while paying for XBL?

We can go in circles all day.

 

[Pain]

What did iw say when asked about dedicated servers on cod ghosts (I really don't know)? has Sony been asked yet? why wouldn't Sony simply confirm that dedicated servers are being used in the ps4 version instead of letting people think that it won't have them?

It's not for Sony to confirm. It's for Activision.

 

[Skeff]

No they didn't. But they spent a crap ton of money on it. An then boasted about it's uses. I mean, the general consensus here is that the "cloud" is dedicated servers and that when ms talks about "the power of the cloud" they really mean using dedicated servers right?

As pointed out, Azure is not available to Xb1, only thunderhead is, which is significant;y smaller.

Sony also have cloud services:
Gaikai centres
SOE
Rackspace enterprise customer.

Microsoft spent nothing on thunderhead, they simple partitioned off some of Azure. Sony on the other hand actually purchased a company which has Data centers which actually host GPU's, as far as investing in servers, Sony have invested much more for their games console to have servers compared to Microsoft and their XB1.

Serious question, is Sony contractually prohibitted from confirming the use of dedicated servers for the ps4 version?

That would be likely, yes. When games get as big as CoD they can enforce these kind of clauses if it is beneficial to them.

 

[Lord Error]

Was the HUD rendered separately in Wipeout HD or was it scaled like the game was?

Almost every PS3 game that uses MLAA has HUD rendered separately from game graphics (Otherwise HUD text would look bad due to MLAA messing with it). It's really not a big deal at all to do that.

 

[Pain]

Serious question, is Sony contractually prohibitted from confirming the use of dedicated servers for the ps4 version?

Maybe it hasn't been finalized yet? NO ONE KNOWS!

 

[Piggus]

Not only that but DriveClub also has dedicated servers. To some it is almost like MS invented this shit.

Some people just love sucking that Microsoft PR teet without thinking for themselves.

 

[daman824]

Oh my goodness...it is not worth talking to you.

Why?

I don't have some sort of agenda here. The ps4 is 50% stronger than the xb1. It's also easier to work with. But ms has azure. and could easily give ms an advantage. Does that advantage beat out the power and price difference? imo no.

But if someone has the money to spend, doesn't care about the power difference, and places a very high priority on dedicated servers, then I would point them toward the x1.

 

[Busty]

Oh man. The denial in this thread that the pure ps4 paper numbers are not all mighty Thor from above and that downplaying of all of Xbox's inherently designed strengths and advantages ...silly man.

same old posts defending the power advantage to the end. Just like most things man, the truth is somewhere in the middle and these machines are as close as any generation ever.


lots of outrage and accusations of parity fixing incoming on DF faceoffs in future.

when in reality the parity comes from MS engineers designing a system that simply doesn't have the same number of CUs as PS but will be able to keep up with and in some cases exceed it.

good luck with the fight. I'll be enjoying all the great games

 

[Nightengale]

Serious question, is Sony contractually prohibitted from confirming the use of dedicated servers for the ps4 version?

Let me give you a different scenario.

If Sony knows, let's say... that Rockstar is going to port GTAV over to PS4 in half a year's time, what do you think Sony's position is in confirming or denying these kind of stuff?

You don't burn bridges by acting on behalf on your partner. It's the publisher's discretion to act on these kind of details, and the platform holder, be it Sony or MS are simply messengers of what they want to share, and not the other way round.

 

[daman824]

You're asking us here? It's on a game by game basis. Why didn't you ask MSFT about every 360 game not having dedicated servers while paying for XBL?

We can go in circles all day.

All I was asking was whether activision or sony has said anything on the matter because I really don't know if they have. He said it wasn't sonys question to answer. But that didn't answer the original question. I see that my question has indeed been answered by someone else however. I'm not trying to be hostile gere.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Serious question, is Sony contractually prohibitted from confirming the use of dedicated servers for the ps4 version?

How on earth are we supposed to know if anyone is contractually obligated to not talk about something?

That may just be the most asinine question I've ever read

 

[Darkwaknight]

MS will probably have dedicated servers for all of their first party games where it would be useful. And they offer them to third parties at a significantly reduced price. Only bf4 has dedis on ps4. It's 5 vs 1 so far.

Nope Killzone will have them (As PS3 does), along with any first Party Sony games like say DriveClub!!

 

[Pain]

Why?

I don't have some sort of agenda here. The ps4 is 50% stronger than the xb1. It's also easier to work with. But ms has azure. and could easily give ms an advantage. Does that advantage beat out the power and price difference? imo no.

But if someone has the money to spend, doesn't care about the power difference, and places a very high priority on dedicated servers, then I would point them toward the x1.

Well you're being pretty aggressive with your non-agenda.
Yes, Azure or whatever is a potential advantage for Microsoft. They can use that when making deals with 3rd parties.

Does it give Xbox One itself an advantage over PS4?? No. Most people wouldn't notice P2P vs Dedis.

Until games like COD Ghosts are confirmed to NOT have Dedis then we're just going around in circles here.

 

[daman824]

As pointed out, Azure is not available to Xb1, only thunderhead is, which is significant;y smaller.

Sony also have cloud services:
Gaikai centres
SOE
Rackspace enterprise customer.

Microsoft spent nothing on thunderhead, they simple partitioned off some of Azure. Sony on the other hand actually purchased a company which has Data centers which actually host GPU's, as far as investing in servers, Sony have invested much more for their games console to have servers compared to Microsoft and their XB1.



That would be likely, yes. When games get as big as CoD they can enforce these kind of clauses if it is beneficial to them.

Thank you for actually answering my questions without attacking me in some way. I didn't know about Thunderhead. But has sony said anything on whether or not gaikai will host servers. I thought it was only for bc. I guess we'll have to wait and see then.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Well you're being pretty aggressive with your non-agenda.
Yes, Azure or whatever is a potential advantage for Microsoft. They can use that when making deals with 3rd parties.

Does it give Xbox One itself an advantage over PS4?? No. Most people wouldn't notice P2P vs Dedis.

Until games like COD Ghosts are confirmed to NOT have Dedis then we're just going around in circles here.

We really don't know the server breakdown for games

We know MS is offering servers to 3rd parties at some sort of discount but that's about it

Do we know what games this gen used dedis for certain?

I was under the impression most X360 games were still P2P

 

[goonergaz]

All I was asking was whether activision or sony has said anything on the matter because I really don't know if they have. He said it wasn't sonys question to answer. But that didn't answer the original question. I see that my question has indeed been answered by someone else however. I'm not trying to be hostile gere.

If I were you I'd read up on NDAs and contracts and such like.

Essentially a good example is that AMD made the main parts of both PS4 + XBO yet AMD were not allowed to disclose info to either company or the public regarding what they were doing nor specific details since.

Likewise water that down for software.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Thank you for actually answering my questions without attacking me in some way. I didn't know about Thunderhead. But has sony said anything on whether or not gaikai will host servers. I thought it was only for bc. I guess we'll have to wait and see then.

They are going to offer the services and full breadth of Gaikai but I don't know if they're going to be using them for servers. One would hope but Sony has other deals in place as described in a post earlier and I think we might have had a thread about it a bit ago as well.

 

[jayu26]

Why?

I don't have some sort of agenda here. The ps4 is 50% stronger than the xb1. It's also easier to work with. But ms has azure. and could easily give ms an advantage. Does that advantage beat out the power and price difference? imo no.

But if someone has the money to spend, doesn't care about the power difference, and places a very high priority on dedicated servers, then I would point them toward the x1.

Okay you really want to have this discussion then let us start with this...

As pointed out, Azure is not available to Xb1, only thunderhead is, which is significant;y smaller.

Sony also have cloud services:
Gaikai centres
SOE
Rackspace enterprise customer.

Microsoft spent nothing on thunderhead, they simple partitioned off some of Azure. Sony on the other hand actually purchased a company which has Data centers which actually host GPU's, as far as investing in servers, Sony have invested much more for their games console to have servers compared to Microsoft and their XB1.

Having said that, not all Xbox games will have dedicated servers, and just because a game has servers on Xbox does not mean that they will not have them on PS4. Think about it from a developer's or publisher's point of view. Even if MS is giving them some discount to rent these servers, that still is added extra cost to game development that developers and/or publisher has to spend. So by that logic, why would anyone want to spend more on developing games for one platform or other?

I also want to call out everyone saying there will be parity in terms of graphics in multiplatform because they don't want to piss off MS. If this is true then it applies to dedicated servers situation as well.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

As pointed out, Azure is not available to Xb1, only thunderhead is, which is significant;y smaller.

Sony also have cloud services:
Gaikai centres
SOE
Rackspace enterprise customer.

Microsoft spent nothing on thunderhead, they simple partitioned off some of Azure. Sony on the other hand actually purchased a company which has Data centers which actually host GPU's, as far as investing in servers, Sony have invested much more for their games console to have servers compared to Microsoft and their XB1.

Is this a serious post or a joke?

 

[Facism]

I just hope both companies get off their arses and allow players to rent their own servers for their games.

 

[daman824]

How on earth are we supposed to know if anyone is contractually obligated to not talk about something?

That may just be the most asinine question I've ever read

poorly worded question. I was wondering why Sony wouldn't just confirm the use of dedicated servers on the ps4 version. Doing so would be a quick way to steal some of microsofts thunder.

 

[Skeff]

Thank you for actually answering my questions without attacking me in some way. I didn't know about Thunderhead. But has sony said anything on whether or not gaikai will host servers. I thought it was only for bc. I guess we'll have to wait and see then.

It could theoritcally do both however sony haven't said, It's more likely that they will handle Dedicated servers by having their own seperate cloud.

To quote the CEO of Rackspace:

Sony PlayStation recently signed a services agreement with Rackspace, under which our developers and architects will be consulting and supporting the PlayStation team with their OpenStack private cloud deployment.

We are the Founder and a key leader of the OpenStack cloud ecosystem, and we are the leader in providing OpenStack-based private clouds.

A little bit more info on openstack:

OpenStack is a global collaboration of developers and cloud computing technologists producing the ubiquitous open source cloud computing platform for public and private clouds. The project aims to deliver solutions for all types of clouds by being simple to implement, massively scalable, and feature rich.

Sony have said nothing about this, but it is here, it exists. Just because Microsoft have come out and said "Cloud" doesn't mean they are the only ones looking to improve their online infrastructure.

Is this a serious post or a joke?

It's a serious post, Azure is not an Xbox Expense. It is a completely separate division.

 

[Nightengale]

poorly worded question. I was wondering why Sony wouldn't just confirm the use of dedicated servers on the ps4 version. Doing so would be a quick way to steal some of microsofts thunder.

And piss off Activision in the process, yay.

Sony is merely a platform for Activision, it is not their discretion to talk about Activision's games when it's not something Activision wants to share yet.

Both Sony and MS are well aware of games yet-to-be-announced by all publishers, why don' they announce said games on their behalf?

 

[ricen-beans]

Is this a serious post or a joke?

Which part do u think is a joke?

 

[daman824]

And piss off Activision in the process, yay.

Why would they care? They get paid either way right?

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Which part do u think is a joke?

I'm guessing the part where he said Sony has invested more into servers than MS. Can he even prove that? Are there hard numbers for this anywhere?

 

[sechsterangriff]

Is this a serious post or a joke?

It is speculation, but is it so hard to believe? Microsoft already have a huge part of the infrastructure in place. They have been building Azure infrastructure for years. It's actually becoming one of of their main sources of revenue from corporate clients.
To segment a portion of those resources and assign it exclusively to Xbox isn't a huge investment, specially if they have an efficient process of scaling availability.

 

[Skeff]

I'm guessing the part where he said Sony has invested more into servers than MS. Can he even prove that? Are there hard numbers for this anywhere?

Read it again, It was a comparison of investment of servers for their consoles a little reading comprehension goes a long way, If you think MS built Azure for XB1 your crazy.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Why would they care? They get paid either way right?

Business relationships
Possibly haven't made these decisions as of yet
Possible marketing arrangements that cause these types of announcements to be delayed until right before release
etc
etc

 

[TechnicPuppet]

Which part do u think is a joke?

I was thinking maybe all of it?

As far as the power struggle goes this is becoming Sonys secret sauce. Sony has the more powerful machine and just about everyone accepts that.

MS is stronger online, they always have been and they have detailed what they are doing to continue to be next gen. Why can't people accept this? Not that it will necessarily always be the case but Sony have said nothing and people are assuming on their behalf.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I'm guessing the part where he said Sony has invested more into servers than MS. Can he even prove that? Are there hard numbers for this anywhere?

I guess the point he making is Sony spend more money on servers because of games it's the reason why they buy them in the first place .
While MS servers are from another part of the company , yeah MS can use them for games but they are not the reason they invest in them .

 

[Skeff]

I was thinking maybe all of it?

As far as the power struggle goes this is becoming Sonys secret sauce. Sony has the more powerful machine and just about everyone accepts that.

MS is stronger online, they always have been and they have detailed what they are doing to continue to be next gen. Why can't people accept this? Not that it will necessarily always be the case but Sony have said nothing and people are assuming on their behalf.

sony have said nothing, But Rackspace have.