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EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"
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When the analogy is more confusing than actual directly addressing the issue, it's time to put the analogy to rest. May she rest in peace, she barely last a few posts.
It is of no benefit to you or me. What Microsoft needs to do is write a long postmortem to figure out the root cause of their hardware development failure because it is surely a failure. You cannot underestimate the stupidity required to launch at $500 with weaker hardware in a scrappy economy.
cyberheater
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What does balanced even mean in the context of a gaming console. At the end of the day. Raw power and ease of development is all that matters.
Sure, on paper. The power balance between CPU and GPU is more balanced. But who cares. From a gaming machines perspective. You need to have the major grunt in the GPU.
cyberheater
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I can't wait to see that post mortem. I'm a long time Xbox fanboy. But my next gen console will be a PS4. I'm really pissed off that MS deliberately didn't go for a high end GPU. Whoever made that decision should be fired.
That person is likely Whitten.
again to explain. And this is already getting misinterpreted so ill explain once more
xbox1 vs ps4
xbox1 has a bit the stronger punch say stronger right hand only (due to a bit of a cpu upclock and esram bandwitch in certain situations)
ps4 has a stronger left hand (ddr5 vs ddr3). A stronger stamina (gpu stronger) a stronger agility (better tools so far and also not having to balance ddr3+esram vs ddr5)
... i was saying the ps4 is the more balanced and more flexible console. From an algorithmic perspective the PS4 is the more balanced one.
i wanted to avoid using that word because ms has been using it lately to trump up the xboxone which is a great device and has many other advantages (kinect,tv integration) but from an algorithmic and coding perspective from a pure algorithm person (not graphics, not games just pure algorithms like numbers algorithm) the ps4 is more balanced.
There's no stupidity, it's just that Kinect cost a lot.
Remove the Kinect and factor in the fact that Sony are taking a loss on hardware and it doesn't seem so likely to me any more that MS's silicon is costing them more than Sony's, once the GDDR5/DDR cost is taken into account.
So from that point of view it's not a hardware development failure so much as betting on the wrong horse with Kinect and Sony being highly competitive with pricing.
Honestly, both consoles are disappointing. I was hoping for a minimum of 2.5tf but I'm very disappointed in the Xbox one. The fact that I can build a better pc for less money is just sad. 1.3tf? what were they thinking? Yes I know it's different architecture but in a numbers game, it isn't even 10 Times stronger. With all the money spent on Kinect r&d, we have gotten an improved product but nobody cares. It's 3 years later and the fad is gone. A waste of money.
this. the ps4 is obviously the better game solution. the xbox has the kinect . Kinect is a great tech. as i mentioned im working on it myself (not for ms and not on the new one just old kinect) because it and other time of flight cameras and depth sensors are very exciting new tech.
Is GPGPU really suitable for AI?
The 32MB ESRAM (bandwidth) isn't really an "advantage" against the 8GB GDDR5 RAM of the PS4. Actually, it is a weakness. And the Kinect/TV stuff is more of a gimmick than an actual "advantage" for "ordinary" games/ a gaming-console.
His post wasn't really a "console warrior" comment. He said "There is no situation or scenario in which the Xbox one has a better punch when it relates to graphics" and he is right.
It's the wrong tool for the job. It's was interesting when it first came out but that time has passed. It's not useful for gaming and if they wanted it for voice recognition and voice control, there are better options. The Kinect never needed to improve. All you need Kinect for is to manage the living room experience. You need a camera for Skype and a mic with good voice recognition software. You can give verbal commands to the Xbox and there is no need for gestures. A complete waste of money.
one last time to clarify.
I meant to say and if you look over what i posted and clarified and explained it will be clear this is the point i was making
the ps4 is the stronger device overall. And from a games (/hardware perspective) its the stronger console.
ms bet on the kinect (gesture) and tv which are non game related advantages ... which is better remains to be seen from a mass market appeal.
from a games perspective the ps4 wins.
i think some people saw i mentioned i interned with microsoft reserach and am working on the kinect and assumed im supporting the xbox one. I loved interning at MS and i think the kinect is great tech and love working on it and liked MS research culture but I can separate that from my opinion on the two pieces of hardware.
Again from a simple gaming/hardware point of the view the ps4 wins. From an algorithmic point of view its almost no question. ps4 wins by a mile. I put the caveats because im not a game dev i work on algorithms (general algorithms not just graphics one) and i cant or wont venture to predict if the mass market feels gestures etc from kinect and tv integration is important or not.
I meant to say and if you look over what i posted and clarified and explained it will be clear this is the point i was making
the ps4 is the stronger device overall. And from a games (/hardware perspective) its the stronger console.
ms bet on the kinect (gesture) and tv which are non game related advantages ... which is better remains to be seen from a mass market appeal.
from a games perspective the ps4 wins.
i think some people saw i mentioned i interned with microsoft reserach and am working on the kinect and assumed im supporting the xbox one. I loved interning at MS and i think the kinect is great tech and love working on it and liked MS research culture but I can separate that from my opinion on the two pieces of hardware.
Again from a simple gaming/hardware point of the view the ps4 wins. From an algorithmic point of view its almost no question. ps4 wins by a mile. I put the caveats because im not a game dev i work on algorithms (general algorithms not just graphics one) and i cant or wont venture to predict if the mass market feels gestures etc from kinect and tv integration is important or not.
cyberheater
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I like Kinect and so do my children. Having said that. I agree with your other comments. Both machines are a bit underpowered. Which in a way is a good thing because it means I won't have to upgrade my quad core overclocked i5 gaming rig to be able to play the next 8 years of next gen games.
Huggers
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What I get from this is there is a possibility the PS4 might bite the Xbones ear off
again note this is coming from an algorithmic perspective. Essentially the xbox one does have overall higher bandwith when you are dealing with 32mb chunks (essentially fly some thru esram) ive explained this is an advantage but not overall . As i said you can have a bit stronger right hook but doesnt matter if everything else is worse. PS4 wins easily overall from an algorithms point of view.
However not affording that advantage to ms is also incorrect. I believe even devs have pointed this out. The ps4 wins easily but there are very specific tasks which the xbox1 does better.
I think the problem is sometimes people think of it as an apples and oranges comparision .... its more of a say grapes and bigger seedless grapes comparision. Yeah bigger seedless grapes are almost always better . Someone you just want the seeds to more easily count how many grapes you ate ... just a stupid analogy but the point is there is some vague way you can say the xboxone has a upper hand but its very obscure and very narrow . ps4 wins overall easily.
Zatoichi's Cane
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First of, welcome and be careful navigating these choppy waters.
If I understood your post correctly, your balanced statement hints at xbone's overall market strategy and not necessarily the hardware power difference between the two. I believe at this point having heard from developers and people such as yourself it's pretty clear that the ps4 is easily a more powerful gaming platform.
Now let's address the tv strategy:
It's pretty clear that the xbooe is designed primarily for the US consumer. After all, the tv integration features as limited as they are will only function in the US and japan during launch. Being a home theater enthusiast myself, I find that one HDMI input can hardly qualify a box as a media hub device. The lack of a built in DVR is also another weak point of the xbone. Based on the demos by Microsoft, the xbone is something to enhance your live tv viewing experience. Furthermore, all the apps are stowed behind a paywall. There are a lot people that do not subscribe to XBL, so these "benefits" will not apply to them.
My Apple TV and Panasonic plasma cover every video service and app I ever need. Also the Apple TV seems to be adding more apps lately and if apple open that platform to developers, it will blow everything else in that space out of the water.
NFL partnership:
Let's start of by saying that outside of the US no one gives a flying fuck about the nfl. But in the US, football is king. So let's look at what we get with the xbone.
Access to red zone app. That's great but it requires a cable subscription so it's redundant and therefore not a selling point for most people.
Fantasy tracking. One problem, everyone I know uses yahoo for their fantasy football/basketball needs. No one cares for nfl.com's version and that's the only one supported.
The only useful thing from the partnership is that xbone will be advertised as the official nfl console, and to a lot of uninformed consumers that so sounds fantastic.
Kinnect:
This is the only feature that I believe may have some potential but is in danger. Kinnect looks cool, but I wonder outside of basic UI navigation how much action it will see from the average consumer. Remember we are talking about the average consumer now and not us geeks on GAF. I bet most people will not go beyond the most basic commands like "Xbox on". Xbone can't afford to be $100 more and still be the weaker system, either Microsoft takes a massive loss and drops the price or drops the kinnect. I bet they'll make a kinnect less sku eventually which would cut the legs out of the kinnect. Making it no longer a mandatory device will also hurt its adoption.
I think I wouldn't be out of line to say that kinnect games are a gimmick until proven otherwise. No one cares for kinnect games and Microsoft faces an uphill battle to make it relevant.
Sony announced face and voice recognition for the PS4, and while I don't claim the ps4 camera being nearly as capable as kinnect, for most looking for these types features it will be good enough. Ps4 will recognize a persons face and respond to verbal commands for navigating the PS4 interface. I believe 80%+ of the consumers will find this more than adequate.
What do you guys think? I am simplifying this too much?
Because based on talking to people around me, who I think are pretty typical consumers I can't come to any other reasonable conclusion.
mangochutney
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Xbox One has stamina confirmed must be all that Dew giving it energy. I'm not sure you can equate human attributes such as stamina to an electronic device.
Looking from a AAA-game perspective, you won't have a higher bandwidth with XBone's ESRAM+DDR3. To achieve more than PS4's 172 GB/s overall..... will be nearly impossible on the XBone.
cyberheater
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Yes. We've heard that from other devs. That there are corner cases where in some aspect the Xbox One could have better performance. But games would have to be built specifically to target that:-
http://www.edge-online.com/news/pow...erences-between-ps4-and-xbox-one-performance/
Not a good fit for 95% + of most games.
ConteZero76
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That balanced stuff is going out of control.
12 CU are balanced ? So what happens when you need more compute power ?
You've got to trade IQ for compute because you've a limited number of CU ?
That's "balanced" ? Having "more" is always better.
Microsoft heard of PS4 having 2 (maybe 4) GB of GDDR5 and countered with 8 GB of cheaper DDR3 (plus ESRAM as a bandwidth band-aid).
When Sony moved to 8GB Microsoft lost that edge and what should've been their trump card became an achilles' heel.
12 CU are balanced ? So what happens when you need more compute power ?
You've got to trade IQ for compute because you've a limited number of CU ?
That's "balanced" ? Having "more" is always better.
Microsoft heard of PS4 having 2 (maybe 4) GB of GDDR5 and countered with 8 GB of cheaper DDR3 (plus ESRAM as a bandwidth band-aid).
When Sony moved to 8GB Microsoft lost that edge and what should've been their trump card became an achilles' heel.
When the next gen comparisons are finally here, everybody on all sides will claim they were right all along.
Xbots: "See? Differences are minimal! I can't even tell! Look at [Forza/Ryse/whatever]! Where is your 50% now?!"
Sonny Offense Force: "OMG Xbone versions look like shit, look at those textures/aliasing/framerates! I could never play that! Praise Cerny!"
PC elite: "Lol silly console peasants, arguing about who won 2nd place"
Xbots: "See? Differences are minimal! I can't even tell! Look at [Forza/Ryse/whatever]! Where is your 50% now?!"
Sonny Offense Force: "OMG Xbone versions look like shit, look at those textures/aliasing/framerates! I could never play that! Praise Cerny!"
PC elite: "Lol silly console peasants, arguing about who won 2nd place"
And so the war for middle earth rolls on. This has all happened before, and will happen again.
Its only balanced by the fact that the CPU is relatively poor so its got a relatively poor GPU as the CPU can't feed a fast GPU anyway.
The PS4 design basically says we know the CPU is poor so we've added more GPGPU as its definitely going to need help.
cyberheater
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It's not really a war though is it. We know how it will pan out for the next 8 years or so when it comes to multi platforms. All future DF's will look like this.
PC > PS4 > Xbox One.
Unless the devs have stupidly decided to use the PS360 version of the game to port to PC. Yes FIFA. I'm looking at you.
Foghorn Leghorn
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From what's been said, yes, AI, physics, advanced audio etc.
chancellor
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What is even the practical effect of the ps4 being more powerful.Won't multiplatform games just be made for the lowest common denominator, the XB1?
It's also been revealed that the real-world peak of the esram combination is actually around 150GB/s
Nightengale
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So PC games have always looked like crap because they were mostly made for the lowest denominator in consoles?
If it's anything like this gen - they'll be made for the one which is easier to develop on.
iamshadowlark
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PS3/360 were roughly on par in power, certainly the gap was alot smaller than it is between these two, and there were differences between multiplatform releases. Sometimes big differences. Expect alot more of the same.
To quote OP:
cyberheater
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It's also been revealed that the real-world peak of the esram combination is actually around 150GB/s
Penello said that.
I wonder what the real world bandwidth numbers of PS4 looks like. Not theoretical performance numbers. Real bandwidth numbers when running real game code.
Some developer (cant find quote know) said 170/172GB/s.
The reason the eSRAM peaks are so low is that you rarely have the situation that gives you the peak bandwidth.
But it's funny that the X360 was seen as unified architecture (compared to ps3), but now the Xbox one which is a direct derivative of this design isn't...
It's also a architecture that developers worked with for the past 8 years... (so how hard can it be.. you get more of it)
Just saying
It's also a architecture that developers worked with for the past 8 years... (so how hard can it be.. you get more of it)
Just saying
seventynine
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First of, welcome and be careful navigating these choppy waters.
If I understood your post correctly, your balanced statement hints at xbone's overall market strategy and not necessarily the hardware power difference between the two. I believe at this point having heard from developers and people such as yourself it's pretty clear that the ps4 is easily a more powerful gaming platform.
Now let's address the tv strategy:
It's pretty clear that the xbooe is designed primarily for the US consumer. After all, the tv integration features as limited as they are will only function in the US and japan during launch. Being a home theater enthusiast myself, I find that one HDMI input can hardly qualify a box as a media hub device. The lack of a built in DVR is also another weak point of the xbone. Based on the demos by Microsoft, the xbone is something to enhance your live tv viewing experience. Furthermore, all the apps are stowed behind a paywall. There are a lot people that do not subscribe to XBL, so these "benefits" will not apply to them.
My Apple TV and Panasonic plasma cover every video service and app I ever need. Also the Apple TV seems to be adding more apps lately and if apple open that platform to developers, it will blow everything else in that space out of the water.
NFL partnership:
Let's start of by saying that outside of the US no one gives a flying fuck about the nfl. But in the US, football is king. So let's look at what we get with the xbone.
Access to red zone app. That's great but it requires a cable subscription so it's redundant and therefore not a selling point for most people.
Fantasy tracking. One problem, everyone I know uses yahoo for their fantasy football/basketball needs. No one cares for nfl.com's version and that's the only one supported.
The only useful thing from the partnership is that xbone will be advertised as the official nfl console, and to a lot of uninformed consumers that so sounds fantastic.
Kinnect:
This is the only feature that I believe may have some potential but is in danger. Kinnect looks cool, but I wonder outside of basic UI navigation how much action it will see from the average consumer. Remember we are talking about the average consumer now and not us geeks on GAF. I bet most people will not go beyond the most basic commands like "Xbox on". Xbone can't afford to be $100 more and still be the weaker system, either Microsoft takes a massive loss and drops the price or drops the kinnect. I bet they'll make a kinnect less sku eventually which would cut the legs out of the kinnect. Making it no longer a mandatory device will also hurt its adoption.
I think I wouldn't be out of line to say that kinnect games are a gimmick until proven otherwise. No one cares for kinnect games and Microsoft faces an uphill battle to make it relevant.
Sony announced face and voice recognition for the PS4, and while I don't claim the ps4 camera being nearly as capable as kinnect, for most looking for these types features it will be good enough. Ps4 will recognize a persons face and respond to verbal commands for navigating the PS4 interface. I believe 80%+ of the consumers will find this more than adequate.
What do you guys think? I am simplifying this too much?
Because based on talking to people around me, who I think are pretty typical consumers I can't come to any other reasonable conclusion.
Absolutely, and this is what I've been seeing as a UK resident when weighing up these two consoles. In terms of power, the first party stable, the 'ease of use' for third parties and the courting en mass of indies (and thus smaller, more unique games) the PS4 is way out in the lead.
TV integration is not a big deal for me personally, when I watch TV it is because I want to watch something, having notifications and invites popping up would be a nuisance to me. Kinect holds no interest either, for games or UI navigation. So long as the PS4 has iPlayer I'm happy.
Another benefit of PS4 to me is the system level support of Remote Play, I already own a Vita and this past week of playing GTAV and juggling that with the girlfriend's soap operas has been a hassle.
For me its a complete one-sided shift to the PS4 from someone who liked having multiple platforms. I was looking to get an Xbox One down the line after a price drop, like I did with the 360, but seeing how useless it is without a gold sub I doubt I'd bother at all.
My only question now is what were Microsoft thinking?
iamshadowlark
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Eh, I'm not sure what you're asking. Its easy to hit bandwidth peaks, you just don't need to all the time.
seventynine
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The CEO from Just Add Water, I believe.
cyberheater
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Thanks.
More in the 133GB/s rangeIt's also been revealed that the real-world peak of the esram combination is actually around 150GB/s
Already beaten, but yes -> It's 172GB/s
First of, welcome and be careful navigating these choppy waters.
If I understood your post correctly, your balanced statement hints at xbone's overall market strategy and not necessarily the hardware power difference between the two. I believe at this point having heard from developers and people such as yourself it's pretty clear that the ps4 is easily a more powerful gaming platform.
Now let's address the tv strategy:
It's pretty clear that the xbooe is designed primarily for the US consumer. After all, the tv integration features as limited as they are will only function in the US and japan during launch. Being a home theater enthusiast myself, I find that one HDMI input can hardly qualify a box as a media hub device. The lack of a built in DVR is also another weak point of the xbone. Based on the demos by Microsoft, the xbone is something to enhance your live tv viewing experience. Furthermore, all the apps are stowed behind a paywall. There are a lot people that do not subscribe to XBL, so these "benefits" will not apply to them.
My Apple TV and Panasonic plasma cover every video service and app I ever need. Also the Apple TV seems to be adding more apps lately and if apple open that platform to developers, it will blow everything else in that space out of the water.
NFL partnership:
Let's start of by saying that outside of the US no one gives a flying fuck about the nfl. But in the US, football is king. So let's look at what we get with the xbone.
Access to red zone app. That's great but it requires a cable subscription so it's redundant and therefore not a selling point for most people.
Fantasy tracking. One problem, everyone I know uses yahoo for their fantasy football/basketball needs. No one cares for nfl.com's version and that's the only one supported.
The only useful thing from the partnership is that xbone will be advertised as the official nfl console, and to a lot of uninformed consumers that so sounds fantastic.
Kinnect:
This is the only feature that I believe may have some potential but is in danger. Kinnect looks cool, but I wonder outside of basic UI navigation how much action it will see from the average consumer. Remember we are talking about the average consumer now and not us geeks on GAF. I bet most people will not go beyond the most basic commands like "Xbox on". Xbone can't afford to be $100 more and still be the weaker system, either Microsoft takes a massive loss and drops the price or drops the kinnect. I bet they'll make a kinnect less sku eventually which would cut the legs out of the kinnect. Making it no longer a mandatory device will also hurt its adoption.
I think I wouldn't be out of line to say that kinnect games are a gimmick until proven otherwise. No one cares for kinnect games and Microsoft faces an uphill battle to make it relevant.
Sony announced face and voice recognition for the PS4, and while I don't claim the ps4 camera being nearly as capable as kinnect, for most looking for these types features it will be good enough. Ps4 will recognize a persons face and respond to verbal commands for navigating the PS4 interface. I believe 80%+ of the consumers will find this more than adequate.
What do you guys think? I am simplifying this too much?
Because based on talking to people around me, who I think are pretty typical consumers I can't come to any other reasonable conclusion.
great points. firstly i meant balanced in the sense i feel the ps4 is more balanced hardware wise. I did however point out kinect and tv integration
you mentioned a bunch of things worth commenting on so and i know our discussion if off topic but i guess pertinent so ill go on
nfl stuff: As a semi casual nfl fan (I dont do fantasy but i constantly follow analysis on my team eagles and other team just to get a feel on whats going on in the league. dont know every playbook terms but get general stuff like play action, shotgun formation etc)
i do like having the ability to have say nfl networks gameday on the side while watching a general game. but once again ive never paid for any extra content was never lured to try redzone or any pay for service. Didnt know when it comes to fantasy which a lot of my friends do yahoo was king. I went online to the nfl one once and looked at it for a bit registered and then decided eeh too much work.
But having said all that the pr spin on nfl did make me think. I wasnt as educated on the topic thanks for the input
tv experience
paywall is a nono for me.
kinect
yes this is gimmicky so far. But from anecdotal experience one of my friends told me 3 months back he was going xbox one cause he wants to be able to say xbox on ... i essentially told him he was being stupid and blah blah ... now he says hes going ps4 .... but it seemed really cool to him that he could just say xbox one ... he had a xbox360 with a kinect
on the flipside my roommate is european and he wounldnt even consider paying 80 bucks for a used 360 although he is considering dropping 150 on an used ps3 to play gta5.
(EDIT on this i think hes being stupid. my other roommate left with the ps3 so i am seriously considering getting a rrod xbox for cheap and fixing it to play gta5 cause its nov till the new consoles and god knows when till gta5 comes out on those)
Guess this a mindshare aspect but it certainly exists.
PSeye features.
Yes, Ive read about the things the pseye can do. And I can talk with some experience on this because my research is on the kinect so party its about why kinect vs any other vision camera so I know what advantages one gives over the other. But for basic functionality say facial recognition and some basic gestures a general vision camera works as welll most of the time. Sony isnt pushing this aspect but I dont see this being a problem apart from the important fact that every xboxone comes with a kinect ... but then again there are rumours of a kinectless version later.... complicated question. I would give a slight advantage to the xb1 on this.
Anyway as you can see even from someone who is advocating and trying to explain why the ps4 is stronger on a hardware side.... even i was ignorant on the nfl issues and some of my friends were just okay i want to say xbox on so ill buy xbox .... the marketing matters if you arent aware of things ... and the spin affects ppl if you arent well informed ...
Thats kind of what motivated my original post today .... just wanted to put it out there that the hardware question (from what specs we've been told) should be kind of put to rest. The ps4 is more competent. But thanks for your reply ... was very informative.
dead monkey uk
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MS seem to be the ones talking about specs and console performance. The Eurogamer article was such a strange move for MS comparing their console to the PS4 when they clearly have the weaker hardware.
cripterion
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So anyone talking about the differences between MGS 5 for PS4 and Xbox one? I read on a french website that both versions looked technically the same.
cyberheater
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Can you share the link?
I don't think at this point anyone has seen any multi platform titles for Xbox One and PS4 to compare them. We've seen a fair bit of PS4 titles. But worryingly, no Xbox One stuff at all. No doubt the devs are in severe crunch time trying to wring out the last bit of performance out of Xbox One so that the multi platform titles will look at least similar to each other.
On this have either been demoed on dev kits. I read a post a day or so back saying they are running on pcs and have either had a ds4 of the new xb1 controller as input but werent running on dev kits of either console .... just from a post i read... dont know if its accurate.
iamshadowlark
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More in the 133GB/s range
Already beaten, but yes -> It's 172GB/s
Isn't this largely misleading? The real world bandwidth usage is dependant on how many CUs are reading/writing data and how much, in any given instance. It would vary from application to application, game to game. No?
jeff_rigby
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Most 2014 CE platforms; Blu-ray, Cable and OTA Gateway devices, DLNA music players..... will serve media via DLNA over your home network. You will need either a Smart TV or one Set Top Box connected to your TV via a HDMI cable and to your home Stereo via TOS optical. All selection of inputs would be selecting a DLNA Server on your home network. You will not need multiple HDMI inputs in the near future.
The XB1 HDMI pass-though with overlay is designed to support older Pre June 2014 cable boxes or a living room Cable DVR STB that is also the cable TV DLNA gateway device on your home network.
There are three US FCC mandates that impact CE platforms and most EU countries are following the same.
ATSC 2.0 => h.264 on OTA sub channels allowing 1080P and 1080P S3D. On Cable they will just be a mapped channel.
ATSC 2.0 => Extensions to Non Real time Transmission
ATSC 2.0 => Xtended TV
Mandated Cable TV RVU => DLNA serving of media over the home network
Cable Card no longer required, replaced by a Industry Secure DRM that CE manufacturers can support. (ARM TEE?)
Current TVs (except some Smart TVs) can't support the above. A STB is needed and XB1, PS4, PS3 (slight update to the DLNA player needed), most Google TV boxes and other STBs coming in 2014 can support the above.