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[fatgamecat]

It's better for Sony to be safe than sorry with RAM reserves early on. They can always release it to devs later.

And you might end up liking some of the features they can implement with a larger OS reserve.

 

[StevieP]

Your agenda is so obvious to all those who waste time reading your posts in these threads

I honestly don't understand your reasoning for such posts

It clearly adds nothing to the current conversation

Do you not see that?

My apologies. I will descend into the trenches of my own "agenda". I only said I personally find it strange that such things are discussed for such length.

 

[Finalizer]

I only said I personally find it strange that such things are discussed for such length.

Enthusiasts discuss relevant topics at great length and depth.

 

[beast786]

Nobody suggested fairies waved wands and buddy jesus descended from the heavens with a horseshoe up his ass of course. But it wasn't the original plan. It was a collation of various factors that basically needed to happen when they did. And if they didn't, they'd be stuck with less. I called it "luck", you can call it "pushing partners to deliver" but it wasn't a foregone conclusion either obviously. As the documentation .

i wish wiiu u had some " luck"

 

[SwiftDeath]

My apologies. I will descend into the trenches of my own "agenda". I only said I personally find it strange that such things are discussed for such length.

Yet again this thread is literally even titled 'the real differences between the PS4 and Xbox One Performance"

No where in the OP or the article were comparisons made to any other gaming platform or "box" as you so like to call it to further your said agenda

Thus such discussion has no merit in this thread

I still cannot fathom how you care so much about pushing PC as the golden standard that you can't abide those interested in consoles to have their own thread without drive-by posting a sneering remark about PC superiority even in a underhanded fashion

Trust us we get what you're selling we just don't care

Edit: I have no idea what your agenda link refers to. Did you mean to quote citizencope or do you just mean the thread?

And you do have an agenda, regardless of whether or not there is that thread means nothing

You are trying to push PC superiority in a Console comparision for what reason?

 

[StevieP]

Enthusiasts discuss relevant topics at great length and depth.

Enthusiasts sometimes also have multiple platforms. I'm currently gaming on 5.

Yet again this thread is literally even titled 'the real differences between the PS4 and Xbox One Performance"

No where in the OP or the article were comparisons made to any other gaming platform or "box" as you so like to call it to further your said agenda

Thus such discussion has no merit in this thread

I still cannot fathom how you care so much about pushing PC as the golden standard that you can't abide those interested in consoles to have their own thread without drive-by posting a sneering remark about PC superiority even in a underhanded fashion

Trust us we get what you're selling we just don't care

Edit: I have no idea what your agenda link refers to. Did you mean to quote citizencope or do you just mean the thread?

And you do have an agenda, regardless of whether or not there is that thread means nothing

You are trying to push PC superiority in a Console comparision for what reason?

Sorry, bad link. Mobile and all that. Anyway, I won't derail the discussion further because "thread whining" is against the ToS and I tend to want to adhere to that. My only real point was that there is a 114 page thread discussing (power, basically) the difference between the 2 dudes who ran 2nd and 3rd place in the 100m race, where second is 12 seconds, third is 13 seconds, and first is 8 seconds. Reading the last 20 or so pages just now, many times I thought to myself "w...why? If ____ is so important to you (i.e. no games under 1080p, higher framerates, better effects, which bf4 is going to be less jagged, etc etc etc) why even go to such lengths to discredit eachother's gaming boxes? As someone who's always (and I mean always) been a multi-console owner every generation, who even plays some of his multiplats on consoles knowing they're not as good (seriously, pin me down for an "agenda" but I'm no prude - I play games everywhere), as long as you're having fun who cares where you put the disc in? There are tons of valid reasons for not looking at every angle (many in this thread, including Glorified, have explained as such). But if something is *so* important as to always want things like 1080p, high framerates, less compromise, that folks are investing tons of energy in the discussion, us enthusiasts should always have an open mind. When I buy multiplats for my possible eventual PS4, I know damn well they're not going to all be 1080p. There will be subpar image quality, blurry post AA, tearing, iffy framerates, etc throughout the generation. And I'm OK with that. I accept it. I always have, seeing as how the developer controls the experience (not the user) and they often want to push eye candy beyond the capabilities of the processors available. And, again, I'm OK with that. But if, say, I wanted to absolutely be guaranteed that my copy of Battlefield 4 plays at 1080p and 60 frames per second or whatever other various criteria set forth over the last many pages, I'd simply make that happen in one way or another. And that's all I really wanted to say about that.

Do you understand that most consumers like to get the most bang for their buck?

Well, of course you're going to have better hardware value with a console. They're premade and generally sold for a loss. But the other discussions revolving around cost (games, online, future expenditures, etc etc) are debatable, and if you want to look through Stumpo's history you can probably find a good summary post there. That said, this isn't the thread for it, so I'll leave it at that.

 

[Finalizer]

Enthusiasts sometimes also have multiple platforms.

Often, even. No reason they wont debate qualitative differences between them.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Sorry, bad link. Mobile and all that. Anyway, I won't derail the discussion further because "thread whining" is against the ToS and I tend to want to adhere to that. My only real point was that there is a 114 page thread discussing (power, basically) the difference between the 2 dudes who ran 2nd and 3rd place in the 100m race, where second is 12 seconds, third is 13 seconds, and first is 8 seconds. Reading the last 20 or so pages just now, many times I thought to myself "w...why? If ____ is so important to you (i.e. no games under 1080p, higher framerates, better effects, which bf4 is going to be less jagged, etc etc etc) why even go to such lengths to be a console warrior? As someone who's always (and I mean always) been a multi-console owner every generation, who even plays some of his multiplats on consoles knowing they're not as good (seriously, pin me down for an "agenda" but I'm no prude - I play games everywhere), as long as you're having fun who cares where you put the disc in? There are tons of valid reasons for not looking at every angle (many in this thread, including Glorified, have explained as such). But if something is *so* important as to always want things like 1080p, high framerates, less compromise, that folks are investing tons of energy in the discussion, us enthusiasts should always have an open mind. And that's all I really wanted to say about that.

So more value for your money is not a valid opinion to have?

There is absolutely no reason for anyone who is interested in a console to show ANY interest in which console is more powerful as it will just be blown away by a PC that said individiual may or may not care about?

Are you from this planet?

Do you understand that most consumers like to get the most bang for their buck?

So assuming that an individual wants to play multiplats on a console this entire thread makes perfect sense

You are simply in denial of why someone may wish to own a console, use it for multiplats and YES desire to have the most powerful CONSOLE

Shocking I know

 

[Sword Of Doom]

Nobody suggested fairies waved wands and buddy jesus descended from the heavens with a horseshoe up his ass of course. But it wasn't the original plan. It was a collation of various factors that basically needed to happen when they did. And if they didn't, they'd be stuck with less. I called it "luck", you can call it "pushing partners to deliver" but it wasn't a foregone conclusion either obviously. As the documentation suggested.



I've counted dozens of mentions of "why can't everything be 1080p? that's next gen!" and of course not everything is going to be 1080p, in and out of the launch window. The nature of consoles is compromise. That's not a negative thing, of course. As Glorified said, you trade some things for others when you game on one gaming box instead of another. But if everyone cared so vehemently about such things there is a way to achieve such things.

How about we call it a calculated risk that ended up paying off

 

[StevieP]

How about we call it a calculated risk that ended up paying off

That's a great way of putting it, sure. Risk is why the first papers said "2GB of GDDR5", with the number going up later.

 

[DangerMouse]

Yep just crazy thinking back to beginning of this year. Comment like:

"Please don't get people's hope up with 4GB GDDR5."
"IDK man 4GB GDDR5 seems unlikely."
"There's absolutely no chance that Sony have got 8GB in the PS4. 4GB maximum imo."

lol

Yup, lol.

That was a great day, when that got announced.

 

[kitch9]

How do you know for a fact that he won't be able to tell the difference?

What happens if a bayonetta or Madden or Skyrim happens?

Which it will, you can't forsake all the extra compute and Rop power the PS4 without expecting to potentially miss out on a lot.

 

[eddfromtheriver]

So more value for your money is not a valid opinion to have?

There is absolutely no reason for anyone who is interested in a console to show ANY interest in which console is more powerful as it will just be blown away by a PC that said individiual may or may not care about?

Are you from this planet?

Do you understand that most consumers like to get the most bang for their buck?

So assuming that an individual wants to play multiplats on a console this entire thread makes perfect sense

You are simply in denial of why someone may wish to own a console, use it for multiplats and YES desire to have the most powerful CONSOLE

Shocking I know

My man!, PC gaming is not for everyone, and yes... i'm interested in the most powerful home console. And don't give a rat's ass about PC gaming.

 

[artist]

So more value for your money is not a valid opinion to have?

There is absolutely no reason for anyone who is interested in a console to show ANY interest in which console is more powerful as it will just be blown away by a PC that said individiual may or may not care about?

Are you from this planet?

Do you understand that most consumers like to get the most bang for their buck?

So assuming that an individual wants to play multiplats on a console this entire thread makes perfect sense

You are simply in denial of why someone may wish to own a console, use it for multiplats and YES desire to have the most powerful CONSOLE

Shocking I know

Time to move on, I think.

(from that argument)

 

[beast786]

Sorry, bad link. Mobile and all that. Anyway, I won't derail the discussion further because "thread whining" is against the ToS and I tend to want to adhere to that. My only real point was that there is a 114 page thread discussing (power, basically) the difference between the 2 dudes who ran 2nd and 3rd place in the 100m race, where second is 12 seconds, third is 13 seconds, and first is 8 seconds. Reading the last 20 or so pages just now, many times I thought to myself "w...why? If ____ is so important to you (i.e. no games under 1080p, higher framerates, better effects, which bf4 is going to be less jagged, etc etc etc) why even go to such lengths to discredit eachother's gaming boxes? As someone who's always (and I mean always) been a multi-console owner every generation, who even plays some of his multiplats on consoles knowing they're not as good (seriously, pin me down for an "agenda" but I'm no prude - I play games everywhere), as long as you're having fun who cares where you put the disc in? There are tons of valid reasons for not looking at every angle (many in this thread, including Glorified, have explained as such). But if something is *so* important as to always want things like 1080p, high framerates, less compromise, that folks are investing tons of energy in the discussion, us enthusiasts should always have an open mind. When I buy multiplats for my possible eventual PS4, I know damn well they're not going to all be 1080p. There will be subpar image quality, blurry post AA, tearing, iffy framerates, etc throughout the generation. And I'm OK with that. I accept it. I always have, seeing as how the developer controls the experience (not the user) and they often want to push eye candy beyond the capabilities of the processors available. And, again, I'm OK with that. But if, say, I wanted to absolutely be guaranteed that my copy of Battlefield 4 plays at 1080p and 60 frames per second or whatever other various criteria set forth over the last many pages, I'd simply make that happen in one way or another. And that's all I really wanted to say about that.



Well, of course you're going to have better hardware value with a console. They're premade and generally sold for a loss. But the other discussions revolving around cost (games, online, future expenditures, etc etc) are debatable, and if you want to look through Stumpo's history you can probably find a good summary post there. That said, this isn't the thread for it, so I'll leave it at that.

My friend wanted to buy GTR or ZR1 ,because of high performane and fast. I was like WTF is wrong with him, if he wanted a high performance and fast car clearly he should have gotten bugatti veyron. hence, everytime he would discuss within our friends between the two, i would interrupt and remind him about bugatti veyron.

Hence, i tottaly agree with you. if anyone care about performance and graphics, PC is the only way.

 

[B_Boss]

IIRC, Mark Whitten

Nah, according to LinkedIn:

Corporate Vice President, Xbox LIVE at Microsoft Corporation
General Manager, Xbox LIVE at Microsoft

Someone mentioned earlier that perhaps MS did not have a 'Chief Architect'.

 

[spisho]

Thanks, this seems to pretty much confirm to me that the problems with the PS3's architecture are with the Cell and split RAM and not the RSX. Unsurprising that Sony dropped the exotic CPU and stuck with the PC-like GPU for PS4, really.

That wouldn't be the conclusion I'd draw. The memory situation was an issue, but that's because Microsoft bumped its memory fairly late in the game. When it was non-unified 512 vs. unified 256, Sony were actually sitting pretty. If you look at the memory interfaces, Cell and RSX have dedicated access to their memory pools (25.6 GB/s and 22.4 GB/s, respectively), whereas Xenon and Xenos have to share the 22.4 GB/s gddr3 bus. I think everyone with a 360 should be thanking Epic that this gen wasn't a total bloodbath.

RSX is definitely the problem because its worse than Xenos and less efficient. Cell is much much better than Xenon and pretty much the saving grace of the PS3. It "only" requires good memory access and layout to split rendering between RSX and SPU. None of the developers I've followed have ever singled out Cell as being the issue with PS3 development. Granted these are the crazy ones that have placed orders on Obama Hope style Cell t-shirts featuring Ken Kutaragi.

That's a great way of putting it, sure. Risk is why the first papers said "2GB of GDDR5", with the number going up later.

I take my hat off to Sony then. They picked high speed memory that had size limitations and pushed it to the point where they could ship with as much memory as their competitor and more memory than high end GPUs. I'd call that an achievement...I mean, they deserve a trophy.

 

[mrklaw]

My apologies. I will descend into the trenches of my own "agenda". I only said I personally find it strange that such things are discussed for such length.

You're a PC enthusiast. PC threads go on at length about whether someone should upgrade from GPU A to GPU B and will they get xx% more performance. Often deciding that 25% more is enough to jump on a $3-400 upgrade.

So is it honestly surprising that an on-paper delta if around 50% has people actively discussing it? If AMD came out with a GPU that outperformed an nvidia one by 50% and was cheaper, PC GAF a would go nuts.

 

[Biker19]

That wouldn't be the conclusion I'd draw. The memory situation was an issue, but that's because Microsoft bumped its memory fairly late in the game. When it was non-unified 512 vs. unified 256, Sony were actually sitting pretty. If you look at the memory interfaces, Cell and RSX have dedicated access to their memory pools (25.6 GB/s and 22.4 GB/s, respectively), whereas Xenon and Xenos have to share the 22.4 GB/s gddr3 bus. I think everyone with a 360 should be thanking Epic that this gen wasn't a total bloodbath.

Yeah, if Microsoft haven't spent $1 Billion doubling the 360's RAM going from 256 MB's to 512 MB's (see here), then the 360 would've been the one to have mostly bad multiplats in that category, & not the PS3.

I take my hat off to Sony then. They picked high speed memory that had size limitations and pushed it to the point where they could ship with as much memory as their competitor and more memory than high end GPUs. I'd call that an achievement...I mean, they deserve a trophy.

Also agree. Sony got lucky that 8 GB's of GDDR5 would arrive on time & probably be even cheaper for them to put in.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Are we all done talking about how many platforms we have and why we have them as if it's relevant to the thread at hand?

 

[Raytow]

So more value for your money is not a valid opinion to have?

There is absolutely no reason for anyone who is interested in a console to show ANY interest in which console is more powerful as it will just be blown away by a PC that said individiual may or may not care about?

Are you from this planet?

Do you understand that most consumers like to get the most bang for their buck?

So assuming that an individual wants to play multiplats on a console this entire thread makes perfect sense

You are simply in denial of why someone may wish to own a console, use it for multiplats and YES desire to have the most powerful CONSOLE

Shocking I know

He is salty his console of choice is breaking all bombing records.

 

[BrainZEROX]

Especially since Xbox has hardware dynamic resolution support it will most likely have solid frame rates and very difficult to discern resolution adjustments that will make the games on both systems look and play very similarly... as we will soon found out

What? Hardware dynamic resolution? You sure you're not overselling display planes? Never heard about this before... Do you have a source for that?

 

[Perkel]

For multiplayer games it does not tent to matter, because by the time servers are closed practically no one is playing the game. Dedicated servers requirement in single player only game is big no no. In those cases it tends to mean some sort of DRM.

Complete utter bullshit.

1. Many companies switched their servers even with players still playing game or because they had financial issues and couldn't continue providing D servers.
2. Creating game (mainly consoles) with D servers instead of P2P or option to P2P will mean that that game won't have playable online in few years. This is really problematic for people who like to play older games.


Do you imagine Deamons Souls in few years without ghosts, invading and mesagges from other people ? I don't and that will happen in very near future.

 

[Rising_Hei]

Looks like it's PS2 and Xbox terms of power difference.

Only that PS2 was released much earlier than Xbox

 

[Ishan]

I've been on neogaf a bit and only been posting since like e3 .... Ehhh it's finally grating on me now ... Kind of why I avoided ign and other forums .... Facts are facts ps4 has a hardware advantage 50% on the gpu . Does that mean games are going to be 50% better graphically because the CPUs are on par no ? Real world advantage is always smaller .

Viz a viz ram esram plus DDR can best be explained casually as you have say a better punch but if the opponent has better stamina kicks technique does that mean you're a better fighter ?

The whole thing is pretty simple one has an advantage when done right one one aspect and the other on many othe ways . And any graphical technique or hack is essentially the same thing flexibility helps you can be more creative with your approaches and forcing you down one approach doesn't help normally .

That said Xbox one has many more advantages kinect and good tv integration . Two approaches one wins with games pushing hardware other wins with other aspects pretty simple IMO ... God I'm almost tempted to write a paper on this and publish it in a journal so ppl get it ...

 

[Ishan]

Also finally get why ppl break ndas just so everyone understands . No one wants to leak stuff it's a very serious matter but sometimes the spinning gets to you ... I guess

 

[Nozem]

Sorry, bad link. Mobile and all that. Anyway, I won't derail the discussion further because "thread whining" is against the ToS and I tend to want to adhere to that. My only real point was that there is a 114 page thread discussing (power, basically) the difference between the 2 dudes who ran 2nd and 3rd place in the 100m race, where second is 12 seconds, third is 13 seconds, and first is 8 seconds. Reading the last 20 or so pages just now, many times I thought to myself "w...why? If ____ is so important to you (i.e. no games under 1080p, higher framerates, better effects, which bf4 is going to be less jagged, etc etc etc) why even go to such lengths to discredit eachother's gaming boxes? As someone who's always (and I mean always) been a multi-console owner every generation, who even plays some of his multiplats on consoles knowing they're not as good (seriously, pin me down for an "agenda" but I'm no prude - I play games everywhere), as long as you're having fun who cares where you put the disc in? There are tons of valid reasons for not looking at every angle (many in this thread, including Glorified, have explained as such). But if something is *so* important as to always want things like 1080p, high framerates, less compromise, that folks are investing tons of energy in the discussion, us enthusiasts should always have an open mind. When I buy multiplats for my possible eventual PS4, I know damn well they're not going to all be 1080p. There will be subpar image quality, blurry post AA, tearing, iffy framerates, etc throughout the generation. And I'm OK with that. I accept it. I always have, seeing as how the developer controls the experience (not the user) and they often want to push eye candy beyond the capabilities of the processors available. And, again, I'm OK with that. But if, say, I wanted to absolutely be guaranteed that my copy of Battlefield 4 plays at 1080p and 60 frames per second or whatever other various criteria set forth over the last many pages, I'd simply make that happen in one way or another. And that's all I really wanted to say about that.

How on earth do you not still get it, after it's been told a hundred times? It's console wars. CONSOLE wars. It's about having the better console. It's not about having the best possible performance. It's about having a better console than the other brand. And performance is one of the benchmarks for a 'better console', just as is price, game selection, online features etc. How is this still a hard concept for you?

 

[TheCloser]

I've been on neogaf a bit and only been posting since like e3 .... Ehhh it's finally grating on me now ... Kind of why I avoided ign and other forums .... Facts are facts ps4 has a hardware advantage 50% on the gpu . Does that mean games are going to be 50% better graphically because the CPUs are on par no ? Real world advantage is always smaller .

Viz a viz ram esram plus DDR can best be explained casually as you have say a better punch but if the opponent has better stamina kicks technique does that mean you're a better fighter ?

The whole thing is pretty simple one has an advantage when done right one one aspect and the other on many othe ways . And any graphical technique or hack is essentially the same thing flexibility helps you can be more creative with your approaches and forcing you down one approach doesn't help normally .

That said Xbox one has many more advantages kinect and good tv integration . Two approaches one wins with games pushing hardware other wins with other aspects pretty simple IMO ... God I'm almost tempted to write a paper on this and publish it in a journal so ppl get it ...

You probably shouldn't bother with writing a paper as this is a poorly written piece. The arguments are weak and not backed up by facts. Writer bias is present in this piece and I can smell the fanboy cologne through my phone. Please, we don't need anymore trolls. We have enough.

 

[Ishan]

You probably shouldn't bother with writing a paper as this is a poorly written piece. The arguments are weak and not backed up by facts. Writer bias is present in this piece and I can smell the fanboy cologne through my phone. Please, we don't need anymore trolls. We have enough.

Err okay . There is no fanboyishm going on I can verify with a moderator that I've interned with Microsoft research and am currently working on the kinect and also I'm a phd student with a strong background in algorithms . I said it in layman terms to explain I can get technical if needed .

 

[SwiftDeath]

Err okay . There is no fanboyishm going on I can verify with a moderator that I've interned with Microsoft research and am currently working on the kinect and also I'm a phd student with a strong background in algorithms . I said it in layman terms to explain I can get technical if needed .

Interesting twist

I'd have recommended staying vague and it being your opinion

I doubt you'd be able to give any new specifics

And where there be "specifics" these days there usually be monsters

 

[TechnicPuppet]

Err okay . There is no fanboyishm going on I can verify with a moderator that I've interned with Microsoft research and am currently working on the kinect and also I'm a phd student with a strong background in algorithms . I said it in layman terms to explain I can get technical if needed .

There isn't really much point is there, PS4 is stronger and in a couple of months we can see how much it is initially then track how much it changes during the generation.

Probably best to do it with games rather than research papers.

 

[TheCloser]

Err okay . There is no fanboyishm going on I can verify with a moderator that I've interned with Microsoft research and am currently working on the kinect and also I'm a phd student with a strong background in algorithms . I said it in layman terms to explain I can get technical if needed .

Would you like me to clap for you? There is no advantage that 32mb of esram at a speed of 109 gb/s provides over GDDR5 at 176gb/s. Non when it comes to graphics.

 

[Ishan]

Interesting twist

I'd have recommended staying vague and it being your opinion

I doubt you'd be able to give any new specifics

And where there be "specifics" these days there usually be monsters

Ahem I just wanted to out forward the point that flexibility is an inherent advantage when it comes to any coding technique . Speaking from experience if I'm restricted to say 1 billion arithmetic operations and a gb of memory vs 1.1 billion arithmetic operations and half a gb of memory generally the first works out better . It is an opinion yes but also from experience with algorithms one works better than the other because you can be more creative with approaches .... That's the point I was making . I also went to explain the kinect is an advantage as is ms's approach with TV os
tech . Just giving the view of someone who has a good experience with algorithms . Both approaches have advantages but normally extra flexibility leads to more creative algorithmic approaches and hence better results . Just graphically speaking

 

[Ishan]

Would you like me to clap for you? There is no advantage that 32mb of esram at a speed of 109 gb/s provides over GDDR5 at 176gb/s. Non when it comes to graphics.

I tried to explain this when I said you have two ppl fighting one has a stronger punch but the other has more stamina a stronger kick more agility etc .... Yes a better punch can work well sometimes bit in general the overall wins over

 

[FuturusX]

Ahem I just wanted to out forward the point that flexibility is an inherent advantage when it comes to any coding technique . Speaking from experience if I'm restricted to say 1 billion arithmetic operations and a gb of memory vs 1.1 billion arithmetic operations and half a gb of memory generally the first works out better . It is an opinion yes but also from experience with algorithms one works better than the other because you can be more creative with approaches .... That's the point I was making . I also went to explain the kinect is an advantage as is ms's approach with tech . Just giving the view of someone who has a good experience with algorithms . Both approaches have advantages but normally extra flexibility leads to more creative algorithmic approaches and hence better results . Just graphically speaking

Interesting. Could you clarify further?

Edit: oh I see that you did...

 

[cyberheater]

Ahem I just wanted to out forward the point that flexibility is an inherent advantage when it comes to any coding technique . Speaking from experience if I'm restricted to say 1 billion arithmetic operations and a gb of memory vs 1.1 billion arithmetic operations and half a gb of memory generally the first works out better . It is an opinion yes but also from experience with algorithms one works better than the other because you can be more creative with approaches .... That's the point I was making . I also went to explain the kinect is an advantage as is ms's approach with tech . Just giving the view of someone who has a good experience with algorithms . Both approaches have advantages but normally extra flexibility leads to more creative algorithmic approaches and hence better results . Just graphically speaking

Having some coding experience myself. I agree. I understand that a good algorithm or a different approach to a technique can provide a huge gain in performance. It's just that PS4 coders are also great coders and will do the same.

Having said that. I'm an Xbox fanboy. Is there anything you can offer us to mitigate against having 8 years of PS4 being better at just about everything and having the stronger multiplatform titles.

 

[TheCloser]

I tried to explain this when I said you have two ppl fighting one has a stronger punch but the other has more stamina a stronger kick more agility etc .... Yes a better punch can work well sometimes bit in general the overall wins over

Read what I wrote. There is no situation or scenario in which the Xbox one has a better punch when it relates to graphics. None from a hardware point of view.

 

[Ishan]

There isn't really much point is there, PS4 is stronger and in a couple of months we can see how much it is initially then track how much it changes during the generation.

Probably best to do it with games rather than research papers.

No I totally understand that paper line was more to express that it's getting spun too much . But ehh . I have nothing to lose per day I'm not a dev so was just voicing my opinion as an algorithm person

 

[cyberheater]

Read what I wrote. There is no situation or scenario in which the Xbox one has a better punch when it relates to graphics. None from a hardware point of view.

Back off. A more subtle approach is in order then being a full on console warrior

 

[Ishan]

Wait I think some of you misunderstood . I'm saying the ps4 offers more flexibility and is better from an algorithmic perspective ... I went on to say the Xbox has kinect and tv advantages . From the comments it seems I wasn't clear enough the point I'm making is the xbox has a stronger punch (CPU adv+32mb esram bandwidth ) but the ps4 is much stronger overall. I was saying due to being more balanced and I hate that word cause it's become a pr spin lately the ps4 is stronger easily .

 

[mrklaw]

Ahem I just wanted to out forward the point that flexibility is an inherent advantage when it comes to any coding technique . Speaking from experience if I'm restricted to say 1 billion arithmetic operations and a gb of memory vs 1.1 billion arithmetic operations and half a gb of memory generally the first works out better . It is an opinion yes but also from experience with algorithms one works better than the other because you can be more creative with approaches .... That's the point I was making . I also went to explain the kinect is an advantage as is ms's approach with tech . Just giving the view of someone who has a good experience with algorithms . Both approaches have advantages but normally extra flexibility leads to more creative algorithmic approaches and hence better results . Just graphically speaking

agreed.

However, the PS4 has more capacity for arithmetic calculations, and therefore more flexibility by your definition. Kinect lets you do different things, but they are still restricted to a specific area - motion/voice inputs. They are pointless if a developer wants to try out a new physics or AI routine.

Also, it could be argued that - although PS3 was a pain to program for - those devs that tapped CELL fully are well set to move forward quickly with GPGPU programming and it'll be very interesting to see what they can do.


edit: Ah, ok you clarified

 

[FuturusX]

No I totally understand that paper line was more to express that it's getting spun too much . But ehh . I have nothing to lose per day I'm not a dev so was just voicing my opinion as an algorithm person

You seem to indicate that "actual" developers are best positioned to provide a thorough appraisal of the relative performance of the two platforms?

 

[avaya]

The TV integration of the bone is nonexistent outside of the US and will never happen in the UK with Sky and Liberty in Europe so as to make it utterly irrelevant. It such an ill conceived idea, the compendium of stupid displayed by Microsoft in totally misjudging yet another product and market in the last 5yrs is staggering.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I can see where the XB1's RAM set-up may be more "interesting" for someone to try and use, from a purely academic perspective. But you have Cerny on record as saying the single most wanted feature from touring game development houses was a unified RAM pool.

 

[Ishan]

You seem to indicate that "actual" developers are best positioned to provide a thorough appraisal of the relative performance of the two platforms?

Yes totally I can only speak from a pure algorithm perspective and some implementations of that . I can somewhat comment on the old kinect . But I'm in no way a graphics or game engine person so I can't say strikingly on those

I was just pointing out from my perspective . Having said that generally all algorithmic and software techniques and methodologies benefit from more hardware flexibility . That was the point I was trying to make

 

[TheCloser]

Back off. A more subtle approach is in order then being a full on console warrior

This has nothing to do with being a console warrior. Any platform independent code will always run better on the ps4 because it's simply more powerful. Take it to the bank.

 

[FuturusX]

The TV integration of the bone is nonexistent outside of the US and will never happen in the UK with Sky and Liberty in Europe so as to make it utterly irrelevant. It such an ill conceived idea, the compendium of stupid displayed by Microsoft in totally misjudging yet another product and market in the last 5yrs is staggering.

After positioning themselves so strongly in the US and UK with the 360, you have to wonder how they could destroy the momentum so spectacularly. Hubris?

 

[cyberheater]

Wait I think some of you misunderstood . I'm saying the ps4 offers more flexibility and is better from an algorithmic perspective ... I went on to say the Xbox has kinect and tv advantages . From the comments it seems I wasn't clear enough the point I'm making is the xbox has a stronger punch (CPU adv+32mb esram bandwidth ) but the ps4 is much stronger overall. I was saying due to being more balanced and I hate that word cause it's become a pr spin lately the ps4 is stronger easily .

I can understand that but at the end of the day. Xbox One and PS4 are gaming devices. You say that Xbox One is more balanced but the PS4 is 'stronger easily'. Surely that means that PS4 is more fit for purpose.

By the way. What is the general feeling amongst your MS colleagues. Do they feel that they are going to be in a uphill struggle for the next 8 years or do they feel they are still playing in the same ball park?

 

[Sweep14]

I tried to explain this when I said you have two ppl fighting one has a stronger punch but the other has more stamina a stronger kick more agility etc .... Yes a better punch can work well sometimes bit in general the overall wins over

How can you measure PS4's stamina and agility vs X1 ? What if PS4 is revealed to be stronger, more agile and more endurant ? What happens if during this fight, the strongest player is also the one with more agility and stamina...?

Also where are the proofs evidencing that X1 is more balanced than PS4 ?

 

[cyberheater]

This has nothing to do with being a console warrior. Any platform independent code will always run better on the ps4 because it's simply more powerful. Take it to the bank. What I strongly dislike is when people come into a thread and try to pour fuel on a dying flame. He's not the only one with a computer science background in this thread. The only thing that was somewhat plausible in his whole post is Microsoft's approach with Kinect. Everything else can be taken with a grain of salt.

Yes. I understand. But I'm saying It would be better for all of us if we could get into a discussion with this guy and maybe we will learn something about MS's approach or how they feel about the systems.
A more nuanced approach might yield more information (hopefully).