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[Woggleman]

He can do whatever he wants with it and we can voice our concerns and opinions, correct?

This is true but at the end of the day no matter what somebody is not going to like it and if they went with the story that people seem to want then he would be accused of making just another cookie cutter ND game. When you try to please everybody then you please nobody. I think any artist should follow their vision whether that is woke or unwoke or whatever. The best things come from an artist doing what they want instead of just half heartedly doing fan service. There are plenty of games on the market where you know what you are going to get so why get mad about one franchise that hardcore gamers say they don't like anyway?

Many of the people outraged about this are the same ones who claim ND games are movie games or too cinematic with bad gameplay or walking simulators so why get mad about them messing with something you didn't like anyway?

 

[TheStruggler]

Theres no confirmation that theres is a trans in the game, wtf are people talking about?

 

[flashfire926]

I mean, I actually hope she's trans, because there's no other way she looks like that (other than taking hormones of course)

 

[TreyCinco]

I heard after Joel gets killed, he gets spit on by some guy. Abby then pisses on his dead body, without squatting. Kinda confirms trans angle, need more evidence still though

 

[Woggleman]

She is not trans. People just see what they want to see and come up with their own narrative. At this point SJWs and anti SJWs are cut from the same cloth.

 

[TheStruggler]

She is not trans. People just see what they want to see and come up with their own narrative. At this point SJWs and anti SJWs are cut from the same cloth.

Apparently a woman with muscles now means your automatically a man. People bitching just to bitch. Its pretty much mob mentality now

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Apparently a woman with muscles now means your automatically a man. People bitching just to bitch. Its pretty much mob mentality now

 

[TheStruggler]

I wasnt protesting or arguing with what they said, you lack reading comprehension?

 

[LED Guy?]

This is true but at the end of the day no matter what somebody is not going to like it and if they went with the story that people seem to want then he would be accused of making just another cookie cutter ND game. When you try to please everybody then you please nobody. I think any artist should follow their vision whether that is woke or unwoke or whatever. The best things come from an artist doing what they want instead of just half heartedly doing fan service. There are plenty of games on the market where you know what you are going to get so why get mad about one franchise that hardcore gamers say they don't like anyway?

Many of the people outraged about this are the same ones who claim ND games are movie games or too cinematic with bad gameplay or walking simulators so why get mad about them messing with something you didn't like anyway?

Except it’s a different situation right now, even passionate TLOU fans that defend it so much are saying otherwise, they are disliking the plot of the game, it is so bad at times that I would say “this is fake” and now most people are disliking it.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

I wasnt protesting or arguing with what they said, you lack reading comprehension?

Keep pushing that strawman fallacy, Mr. Strawman.

 

[TheStruggler]

Keep pushing that strawman fallacy, Mr. Strawman.

....but i wasnt aruging or debating the person in the first place....lol I was agreeing with them

 

[The Mad Draklor]

....but i wasnt aruging or debating the person in the first place....lol I was agreeing with them

And the bolded portion is a strawman fallacy. Saying that female characters are being masculinized for the lack of better term =/= Saying female characters with muscles are automatically men.

 

[Jbomb19]

Theres no confirmation that theres is a trans in the game, wtf are people talking about?

It’s a combination of knee jerk mob mentality and misinformation. There’s a certain part of the population who thrive on those two things.

 

[siekro1983]

She is not trans. People just see what they want to see and come up with their own narrative. At this point SJWs and anti SJWs are cut from the same cloth.

She has a man body and man like features. she looks like a trans or a woman taking anabolic steroids, which can makes them like a man. the whole things this over kill to piss off people that don't support the LGBT community.

 

[Dabaus]

Has anyone posted druckmann instragram with a Kurt cobain quote basically saying “if you hate gay people don’t buy our products?” He has no shame.

 

[TheStruggler]

And the bolded portion is a strawman fallacy. Saying that female characters are being masculinized for the lack of better term =/= Saying female characters with muscles are automatically men.

Sure then i guess alot of fallacies are being thrown since apparently a built woman = a trans aparently

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Sure then i guess alot of fallacies are being thrown since apparently a built woman = a trans aparently

Like the strawman fallacy that you just repeated ad nauseam?

 

[siekro1983]

Sure then i guess alot of fallacies are being thrown since apparently a built woman = a trans aparently

this is a naturally built woman. still looks like a female, what you get with abby is a girl on steroids that make them look like men.

 

[Jbomb19]

Has anyone posted druckmann instragram with a Kurt cobain quote basically saying “if you hate gay people don’t buy our products?” He has no shame.

I mean, if you hate gay people, don’t buy his products. Instructions are clear.

 

[zeorhymer]

Joel and Ellie had one game. That's it. Unless I'm missing the secret Vita portable and the tactics game on PS4 or something. They were nobodies in that game.

I didn't realize you worked TLOU 2 since obviously you knew the whole story of Joel and Ellie before anyone else did!

 

[TheStruggler]

It’s a combination of knee jerk mob mentality and misinformation. There’s a certain part of the population who thrive on those two things.

I can point out more than a few members that do lol. What can you do really though, im excited for the game atleast

 

[Jbomb19]

I can point out more than a few members that do lol. What can you do really though, im excited for the game atleast

me too! I cant wait to set so many clickers on fire, shotgun runners in the face and search every nook and cranny for those sweet, sweet supplies. Not big on the dog addition. They’re just doing their job, don’t make me kill them!

 

[Dabaus]

I mean, if you hate gay people, don’t buy his products. Instructions are clear.

Seems like such a stretch to make and a major deflection. It’s entirely possibly people are pissed about the story and treatment of the characters.

 

[sneas78]

This game just drags me down, depression, Anger .. just loves to bring you down with the rest of the story. I’m not sure reading more about this is even healthy anymore.

 

[Jbomb19]

Seems like such a stretch to make and a major deflection. It’s entirely possibly people are pissed about the story and treatment of the characters.

being pissed about the story and characters isn’t hating gay people. So you’re all set!

 

[TheStruggler]

me too! I cant wait to set so many clickers on fire, shotgun runners in the face and search every nook and cranny for those sweet, sweet supplies. Not big on the dog addition. They’re just doing their job, don’t make me kill them!

Im really interested to try the dodge mechanic in the game and how deep the hand to had may be because of it this time, really interested to see how far they pushed it

 

[TheStruggler]

Seems like such a stretch to make and a major deflection. It’s entirely possibly people are pissed about the story and treatment of the characters.

I dont know if we have full context as to the why though. Maybe once that happens it will bring everything together. Hell if Michael just killed Fredo and we didnt find out why he did it I prob would have looked sideways too.

 

[DonJorginho]

Okay. I've watched some of Abby's gameplay and (don't bash my head in with a golf club) I actually DON'T MIND her.

She seems decently written in some ways and the performance from Laura Bailey is pretty good.

Am I a fan yet? Not really.

But I don't think she's the spawn of Satan anymore. Still don't get why we have to play half the game as her though.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

I found the person who Abby is modeled after:

/s

 

[Silent Duck]

So I guess that Abby spent the last years bulking up and working out so she could kill Joel. That would make sense. Growth hormone wouldn’t be on most people’s survival list... but was definitely on Abby’s.

Also, I hope we get an 80’s style montage of her working out with “Push it to the limit” or “Live to Win” playing in the background.

Still, something seemed familiar about the “Joel” scene. Can’t quite put my finger on it.

 

[Woggleman]

I watched that 90 minute clip and I actually like most of what i see. The intro is actually very good.

 

[Portugeezer]

If she's not trans, she is either "non binary" or lesbian/bi... and has a large clitorus.

If I am correct: bad character design, not subtle, stereotypical non binary and lesbian characteristics. TLOU was a lot more subtle when it came to these things.

 

[chitzy]

Theres no confirmation that theres is a trans in the game, wtf are people talking about?

Most of us realize that but it doesn't change the fact that it's both hilarious and distrubing that the main character of this game is a "woman" that is built like John Cena.

 

[Silent Duck]

If she's not trans, she is either "non binary" or lesbian/bi... and has a large clitorus.

If I am correct: bad character design, not subtle, stereotypical non binary and lesbian characteristics. TLOU was a lot more subtle when it came to these things.

Or...

 

[TheStruggler]

Most of us realize that but it doesn't change the fact that it's both hilarious and distrubing that the main character of this game is a "woman" that is built like John Cena.

I was thinking maybe Holly Holm or Fellice Herrig

 

[MrRogers]

I get a kick out of the bugmen posting pics of muscular women in this thread, when those women still have curves and a pretty face. Abby for all intents and purposes looks like a trans man, full stop.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I heard after Joel gets killed, he gets spit on by some guy. Abby then pisses on his dead body, without squatting. Kinda confirms trans angle, need more evidence still though

Just skimming the thread again. Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but after Joel gets whacked for good by a golf club, one of the thugs does spit on him!

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Has anyone posted druckmann instragram with a Kurt cobain quote basically saying “if you hate gay people don’t buy our products?” He has no shame.

That's creative lefties for ya. I thought that was a joke post. When they don't get their way, they kick and scream like manchildren. The Kurt Cobain quote is funny (but not surprising). Read up his Wiki. Guy was wacko half the time.

In companies with mature management and corporate cultures (which gaming seems to lack), the typical CEO, VP or any other high level employee does not get into pissing matches with customers on Twitter or Instagram.

You can have Takata with faulty airbags, people getting killed, the company filing for bankruptcy and people and media grilling them to the bone. You'll never see big wigs getting into social media fights.

In gaming, gaming execs seem to cherish it acting like assholes.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Skimmed the 90 minute video. Some of it is the same stuff as the other clips we saw, but a few notable new scenes are the Joel killing scene and the Abby workout/gym scene.

Looks like my story guesstimate from pages back where I guessed Joel getting clubbed was either here or there, is actually in there both times in different perspectives.

Every time the leaker releases clips, Abby seems more buff. Next up going up against a skeleton of Arnold Schwarzenegger for Mr. Universe. trophy.

 

[Cato]

Most of us realize that but it doesn't change the fact that it's both hilarious and distrubing that the main character of this game is a "womxn" that is built like John Cena.

Fixed that for you.

 

[siekro1983]

I was thinking maybe Holly Holm or Fellice Herrig

I think you need a your eyes checked. Colleen Fotsch is abbys body model this is confirmed. look her her up. she has 50 pounds on holly hom. that pic angel makes her look smaller then she really is.

 

[DForce]

Are you paid by ND or something with your constant 24-Hour per day defending their SJW bs?

I posted what I see on my time line. Don't worry, it's just facts. I don't believe any narrative that someone pushes towards me.. Aka, fake story or an agenda because Joel was killed by a woman, you know what I mean?

 

[OliverKahn]

I posted what I see on my time line. Don't worry, it's just facts. I don't believe any narrative that someone pushes towards me.. Aka, fake story or an agenda because Joel was killed by a woman, you know what I mean?

fact about ND and Cuckman created a SJW's heaven story for TLOU2?

 

[DForce]

fact about ND and Cuckman created a SJW's heaven story for TLOU2?

If a female character killing a man triggers you this much, then I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[siekro1983]

If a female character killing a man triggers you this much, then I don't know what else to tell you.

Dumb reply we killed plenty of men in last of us part 1 with a female. It's not that at all.

 

[Strategize]

Dumb reply we killed plenty of men in last of us part 1 with a female. It's not that at all.

What is it then? Please explain.

 

[Temp0]

3 months from now, I'm going to create a reddit account and make up some bogus video game rumor. I'm going to see how fast it spreads online because people are so quick to jump on any rumor out there.

to be fair though. It perfectly makes sense.
What happened right after the leaks? WE GOT A RELEASE DATE! Why? Because of the leaks!
without the leak the game might even come out WAY LATER!
So, because of the leak, all those employees get their bonus way faster.
And I can understand them. Seriously, imagine waiting FOR YEARS and developing the game for YEARS, working your ass off and crunching a lot to get it ready on time.
and then for some bullshit reason it gets delayed WITHOUT A NEW RELEASE DATE. WHY?
all other games got released, like resident evil, doom, ff vii remake etc.
I think the employees don’t want to wait so long, only because some higher ups receive an even bigger bonus

 

[DForce]

Dumb reply we killed plenty of men in last of us part 1 with a female. It's not that at all.

Nathan Drake fought many men, but guess what happened when Nadine beat up Drake?
If it wasn't about a woman killing a man, then you wouldn't hear anyone talking about politics. It would be about the actual story.


Tranny.
Anita working TLOU 2.
Wanting to get rid of white men in the game.
Fake Reddit post about an ex employee.

You guys are so easily persuaded to follow any narrative without even doing one ounce of research.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

What is it then? Please explain.

Beloved character like Joel (male) being being whacked, the game is half Ellie and half Abby, and the end game is a brawl between 3 females?

Maybe some gamers liked Joel or want some more guys in the game to control.

Not every gamer wants LoU2 to be Tomb Raider.

 

[DForce]

to be fair though. It perfectly makes sense.
What happened right after the leaks? WE GOT A RELEASE DATE! Why? Because of the leaks!
without the leak the game might even come out WAY LATER!
So, because of the leak, all those employees get their bonus way faster.
And I can understand them. Seriously, imagine waiting FOR YEARS and developing the game for YEARS, working your ass off and crunching a lot to get it ready on time.
and then for some bullshit reason it gets delayed WITHOUT A NEW RELEASE DATE. WHY?
all other games got released, like resident evil, doom, ff vii remake etc.
I think the employees don’t want to wait so long, only because some higher ups receive an even bigger bonus

This leak likely pushed the announcement, not the release date.

It can be believable, but that doesn't mean you go around spreading it as a fact. This is how the overheating PS5 rumors started.