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Are you afraid that WW3 might happen?
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lock2k
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Some folks really don't have the dark humor chip installed, i see.
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BlueAlpaca
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Soleimani was much less of a vermin than bin laden or baghdadi. Or any of their followers too.
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LaughingStock
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I'm afraid it might not happen. We need something like it to cull the herd.
Winter John
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Careful with that edge Eugene. You are part of the herd
Trogdor1123
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World war? Nah. AI war... That's something else entirely.
LaughingStock
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Of course. We all are.
Freedom Gate Co.
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The thread silly but let's also be blunt.
World War 3 will happen, there are no peace safety nets that actually exist, the only thing close to that we have are a few countries with nukes, and the EU basically crippling European countries so that they have to depend on each other.
But let's look at what's happened the last 20 years, we have seen several domestic conflicts, rising tensions between states using proxies, multiple countries splitting up into smaller countries, attackers send from one country to kill people in another posing as citizens or refugees, hackers stealing government data around the world usually authorized by the governments themselves, and the list goes on.
All the world needs is an opening and we could see dozens of countries at war or in multiple wars quickly. It's going to happen, as a matter of fact it's already starting to happen in several parts of the world now but gradually. The strategy of threatening with military force or sending troops to intervene to stop potential destabilization doesn't have the impact it did 60 years ago.
If people want to prevent war they have to actually fix the problems that would lead to conflict in the first place. The Middle East is in a mess because not a single issue that has historically resulted in conflict has been resolved, and the world powers have created new problems that did not exist 80 or even 40 years ago.
World War 3 will happen, there are no peace safety nets that actually exist, the only thing close to that we have are a few countries with nukes, and the EU basically crippling European countries so that they have to depend on each other.
But let's look at what's happened the last 20 years, we have seen several domestic conflicts, rising tensions between states using proxies, multiple countries splitting up into smaller countries, attackers send from one country to kill people in another posing as citizens or refugees, hackers stealing government data around the world usually authorized by the governments themselves, and the list goes on.
All the world needs is an opening and we could see dozens of countries at war or in multiple wars quickly. It's going to happen, as a matter of fact it's already starting to happen in several parts of the world now but gradually. The strategy of threatening with military force or sending troops to intervene to stop potential destabilization doesn't have the impact it did 60 years ago.
If people want to prevent war they have to actually fix the problems that would lead to conflict in the first place. The Middle East is in a mess because not a single issue that has historically resulted in conflict has been resolved, and the world powers have created new problems that did not exist 80 or even 40 years ago.
Thurible
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I remember an episode of star trek where an alien race "eliminated" war by having their computers simulate a war with their enemy. Only thing is when the computer said "x number of people died in the simulation" they would have to gather that amount of people on their own side and execute them to honor the agreed upon faux battle.
I don't think that will ever happen in real life personally.
Dirk Benedict
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Thurible
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Seems very Malthusian. Even if population growth were a problem (we have resources to spare, they aren't evenly distributed. Also, population growth is actually tapering down, especially in the first world.) the solution shouldn't be killing people. Human beings are not a problem.
Winter John
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Well if you want to die so badly why are you wasting time?
Cybrwzrd
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No middle eastern country can fight the US toe to toe, but they can be annoying flies. Superpowers also can't win at asymmetric warfare, but they can keep swatting flies.
We literally can't win in the middle east, for example, unless there is no one left to call for vengeance. Conversely, they can't win unless they get us to just give up and go home via asymmetric warfare. If they go all out, they will be obliterated, and they know it. We also don't have the stomach to inflict millions of civilian deaths to prevent future conflict. So on it goes in perpetuity because we will stay as long as we have interests in the region, and since their world views are incompatible with the west, they will keep fighting us.
MilkyJoe
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No one is going to risk that annihilation of their own country over this old prick. None of the major players have commented, so no one is expecting anything on this. Iran are stone age on the military front.
Texas Pride
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I'm not a fan of it either but that's reality. Iran has been asking for it for awhile now and the truth is in reality we have stayed Israel's hand on total annihilation of Iran imo. I think we should leave the heathens to themselves personally. You can't democratize people who have been cutting each others heads off for centuries and living by a religion to convert or kill your foes in Islam. At some point you have to realize they are what they are and make a choice from there.
Kadayi
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LOL. You're talking about a county of 81 million people here. Not a gnat to be swatted.
Texas Pride
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The size of the country has no bearing on my comment. My point stands. Iran has threatened to wipe Israel off the map many times. The leaders of a country are a product of the people who allow them to stay in power and speak for them. So the line between guilt and innocence isn't black and white. Nobody wants a war but if it comes to war you annihilate your opponent so completely they realize the error in opposing you to begin with.
Kadayi
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You're honestly advocating for mass Genocide of 81 million people on the basis of guilt by association?
Texas Pride
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You said it not me. I made a point Israel has wanted to end Iran and Iran has threatened to end Israel for decades. I think the US has played a huge role in not allowing Israel to follow through on their intent. My position was clear. Leave the heathens to themselves. Nobody wants war but if it happens with a country of religious zealots you annihilate them without mercy.
Kadayi
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All 81 million of them apparently. Because every man woman and child of Iran is accountable for whatever the heads of Iran say right?
Texas Pride
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Kadayi
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There's no twisting involved. You're advocating killing more people than the casualty count for the whole of WWII combined as if it's no big deal and in fact, a necessary act because *reasons* You're so far gone the rabbit hole of moral bankruptcy I can only presume you're a joke account.
Texas Pride
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There's no twisting involved. You're advocating killing more people than the casualty count for the whole of WWII combined as if it's no big deal and in fact, a necessary act because *reasons* You're so far gone the rabbit hole of moral bankruptcy I can only presume you're a joke account.
If you can't argue in good faith you can fuck off. I hope that's simple enough for you to understand. YOU BROUGHT UP GENOCIDE dipshit. Not me. Take your pearl clutching bullshit somewhere else I'm not buying.
Krappadizzle
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WW3 will not happen. Maybe some of you do know, but our military is incredibly strong. Our Navy is a monster that nobody wants to mess with. I have no concern in the slightest of a "war." I will say that I find the people afraid of being drafted hilarious. Selective service for 18 year old men has been around forever and we've gone through 2 "wars" without it being utilized. It's not gonna start now. I'm in the clear for selective service regardless being as I've done 8 years already in the military, but I'd say anyone worried, shouldn't be. If a conflict were to start it'd be one of drones and missiles, not boots on the ground CoD battles.
Lanrutcon
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I'm not worried about that kind of war. The kind I'm worried about is fought economically. Pretty sure you guys could take China when it comes to the boom, but when it comes to the buck? Shit. Smarter people than me look at that scenario and wince. Let's hope we never have to find out.
Ornlu
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We already scrappin' economically.
What tools does China have to use against the US that don't hurt China more?
Kadayi
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Please,
You use generalised Rhetoric like that you claim you're not advocating for mass genocide? Who the fuck are you hoping to convince here? I mean do you think just a couple of tactical nukes is somehow magically going to change the core tenets of the Koran or something? Exactly how much cleansing is required by your measure then?
Krappadizzle
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Of this I have no doubt. A digital/infrastructure/economic war would be much more likely, and even then, I don't think Iran would want to start that up. As before they could do long term damage, they'd be parking-lotted.
Lanrutcon
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Unsure, but you're assuming the aim would be to win. What happens to the global economy if China crashes and burns? (actual question, but probably for a different thread given that the focus of this one is on the current situation with Iran).
Ornlu
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Now THAT is something to worry about, for sure. They're a big enough part of the global economy that the answer would have to be 'Who knows'.
Their leveraged debt is insane; I'm not sure how China survives as it's current incarnation for the next 50 years even without any kind of war.
Krappadizzle
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Of this I have no doubt. A digital/infrastructure/economic war would be much more likely, and even then, I don't think Iran would want to start that up. As before they could do long term damage, they'd be parking-lotted.
LaughingStock
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But i want company.
It's not about overpopulation. I just think that when survival stops being a struggle and instead becomes a certainty, this leads to stagnation and the growth of cancerous ideologies.
But what the hell do i know? I'm just a doomer.
Roronoa Zoro
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I think everyone is too tied together economically. Corporations are multinational and there's nothing to be gained from fighting each other. It'll just cost a lot of money and lives and approval for whatever leader starts it
Thurible
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So if I understand you correctly, you want some kind of conflict or hardship in order to have a strong, united people who will progress? I have several problems with this way of thinking (if I am misreading you I encourage you to correct me).
1) what is stagnation, growth, and cancerous ideologies? What objective criteria are you using to define them? This could possibly be a very subjective thing we are talking about.
2) There is no ordered progression to a bettered enlightened state. I have qualms with whig history revisionist perspectives. There is nothing in human nature that states a society or its culture will just keep improving as time goes on, so acting like it's a problem if there is some form of "stagnation" doesn't make much sense as it supposes that growth would be a given without these issues.
3) Human life is precious. Even if you are right and conflict will improve the world, it doesn't justify harming or killing persons.
I am unfamiliar with this term.
Mistake
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a doomer is basically teenage angst that never quit.
haxan7
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Texas Pride
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I don't have to convince you or anyone else of a motherducking thing buddy. You take it however you need to. You're a random motherfucker on a message board with a bug up his ass. I dont need validity from you or anyone else on a message board.
LokusAbriss
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The US killed one of their highest ranking generals. In the eyes of the people, he was a war hero. All the sanctions have been a heavy burden for Iran over the years too. The Iraq wants the US troops gone and will probably take side with Iran over time. Iran's population will definetly support the decision to attack US targets. They have been pushed into a corner for a long time and they have been hit hard now. They will not do nothing and have strong allies.
What do you think will happen, when they will destroy complete US bases in the middle east? When the mourning for their general is done, we will probably see some form of action.
The consequences will be immense. In short-term the oil prices will sky rock, even more refugees for europe and all good work in the region for the last 30 years will be destroyed. And it can turn easily in a world war that might spin out of control.
llien
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Iran is capable of carrying out attacks on US bases in ME, but "destroying completely" is well beyond its powers, bar, perhaps, small base in Iraq.
If Iran strikes, US will strike back (nice that the Orange Asshole promised to destroy cultural sites, what a fucking piece of shit), the world will become a shittier place, Middle East in particular, but Netanjahu will be pleased.
There is no potential of turning this into a world war, without involving either Russia or China, neither of whom has serious stakes in this.
Makariel
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So far 100% of "world wars" have been started in Europe, by Europeans. We are currently quite chill with our neigbours (you can thank democracy for that, and arguably the EU did play it's part). So you can all sit down and relax, we don't intend to start another world war in the next few months at least, i.e. not before the Euro 2020 is over. Can't make any guarantees if Germany wins, wouldn't be the first Football War.
#Phonepunk#
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i think at this point most apocalyptic scenarios are just people wanting their lives to be super meaningful. people have lost religion and consumerism is an empty spiritual replacement, most doomsday scenarios are people confronting their unexamined nihilism and projecting it outward.
i heard about WWIII growing up in the 80s during the Cold War. 9/11 seemed like a definite start to a possible WWIII yet it never happened. yes war continued, thru drones, thru torture, all this occuring overseas, nobody in the homeland affected. it feels like the way we outsource manufacturing, we have outsourced war as well.
honestly i don't see it happening.
i heard about WWIII growing up in the 80s during the Cold War. 9/11 seemed like a definite start to a possible WWIII yet it never happened. yes war continued, thru drones, thru torture, all this occuring overseas, nobody in the homeland affected. it feels like the way we outsource manufacturing, we have outsourced war as well.
honestly i don't see it happening.
Romulus
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Not saying Trump is right or anything, but what should be have done? The guy trump killed was listed by the dems as a terrorist then kills one of our own. Should be just sit back and chill? The guy been at it for decades.
Not a Trump guy, but I'm sick of weak, corrupt dems too. They're such frail pushovers. The alternative is Hillary lol, fucking nightmare.
The dems fragility and corruption is exactly why Trump will again. Absolutely no problem winning. Impeachment was their only option and everyone, including many dems, see it.
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