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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain

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AusRoachman

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-Plasma Reus- said:
OH shit. It's like I feared.
It's not kid friendly at all. It's not for kids. Kids are going to be bored.
They went the watchmen route, with the wrong franchise.
Box office prediction adjusted to $300m WW for me.
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This is my biggest letdown, wanted to take my 5 year old who loves superman and bats but there is no way he will sit through all the exposition .

I know most wouldn't agree but I actually wouldn't mind 2 hrs of non stop fighting and action .
 
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Branduil

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-Plasma Reus- said:
This Knightmare will never end.
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Gentlemen, a metaphor for Batman v Superman. Batman's jacket represents gluttony. Why, you ask, would Batman wear a jacket when he's already in armor? Well, why would make a movie with like 5 superheroes and 3 villains when you 1 of each would do? It's a sign of excess, of greedy, mindless consumption. The stormtrooper guys tackling Batman represent the stifling effect of a legion of faceless producers on creativity in film. Batman's goggles represent anime. The guy rolling on the ground in the foreground is a metaphor for the cartoonish distraction of CGI excess and the futility of blockbusters. The yellow filter represents this movie pissing on DC fans everywhere.

And the dead guys in the background, naturally, represent the US Constitution. Thanks Obama!
 
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dabig2

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SPE said:
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/03/22/batman-v-superman-review-zack-snyders-doomsday

It's a well written review, highlighting specific issues with clear examples. Many of which could be levelled at MoS, but BvS seems to slide even further into Sucker Punch era Synder.

And yeah, it's utterly scathing.
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Hooooly shit.
The plot trudges along weighed down not just by the stupidity of it all - half the plot points make no logical sense, like Lex Luthor supplying his henchmen with experimental military bullets - but by the apocalyptic self-seriousness of it all. Each scene is ponderous in its attempt to be meaningful and iconic, rendering every moment in the movie a phony pose. Heavy, overbearing score thunders above it all, reinforcing the po-faced absurdity. The film reaches for an operatic thunder and ends up with a wet, limp raspberry.
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Henry Cavill is a wooden log throughout most of the film, giving a performance so lifeless and dull that it feels like a protest. His Superman alternates between being a mopey bore and a real asshole, two qualities for which the character is not usually known. The film keeps Superman at a distance (if you had guessed “They turn the Superman sequel into a Batman movie,” come on up and collect your winnings), and as such this doesn’t give Cavill much to do. The character is, textually, struggling with the weight of his responsibility to the world, but the film doesn’t dramatize it much and it doesn’t give Cavill many scenes in which to portray it beyond brooding. The film is too busy moving along to the next tedious plot element to give Superman any time to shine, or really any time to do much of anything.
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Eisenberg is next-level terrible as Luthor. He’s a twitchy lunatic pretty much from the start, and if there are any events in the story that lead to him escalating his plot to the point of creating an unstoppable monster I missed them. Eisenberg delivers every line like he thinks the villains on the 1966 Batman show were too nuanced. His face is a collection of tics, and his eyes burn with the power of a thousand ham actors. Not only is his performance unmodulated, he’s generally irritating at all times - while I don’t understand why Lex Luthor wants to unleash an unstoppable monster on the world, I do fully understand why Batman wants to fucking hit him.
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Shit, this is probably the first review I've read of this film that has me quite a bit worried for my own enjoyment of the film. It was all fun and games till this brutal scathing opinion. All of the things I quoted above were things that I was worried about leading up to this film and it looks like Snyder properly fucked it up.

But at least Batman seems to have been treated fairly given it all. I'll still see this on Saturday, but it looks like I'll be bringing my flask with me and zero expectations. Fuck you Snyder. Can DC please remove this hack from being the goto man of their cinematic universe?
 
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SonicMegaDrive

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There was a lot of discussion a short while ago about this movie retroactively redeeming Man of Steel. Is all of that tossed out the window at this point?
 
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brickarts295

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That moment when you realize Goyer might have written a better script for this film O_O
Nah I think I'm just tired lol

vareon said:
So, just got back from the movie. I...think GAF will tear this apart.
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Oh god at least it won't be for long. Civil War will take over.
 
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CaviarMeths

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velociraptor said:
This sounds bad.

I fucking hated Iron Man 3. It was almost a chore to finish watching that movie.
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I didn't even mean that relatively speaking. I think Iron Man 3 is a really cool flick on its own merits, no comparison needed to other movies. It's one of my favorite MCU movies.

Just funny that a 90 page thread about the new Batman movie sparked quite a few people speaking up and admitting that they liked it.
 
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Theorry

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Not gonna take Metacritic very serious. Deadpool is a 6.5 there lol. I wait for the fans and normal people opinion. Then these "critics"
All i have seen from trailers is have a feeling its gonna be great. With maybe the best Batman we have ever seen.
 
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DerZuhälter

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I need to see this, to go full rage mode. Hated Man of Steel, expected this to fail since the trailers hit. I clearly believe that Snyderm the writers and producers don't grasp what makes Superman appealing.
 
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OléGunner

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Wait a goddamn minute..I'm perusing early bits of this thread and I read that Batman breaks his one rule frequently
and actually kills people?

For that alone the movie deserves to be raked over the coals, no respect for source material good grief what a fuck up.

I will probably watch this in a couple months then once its on demand, I'm not paying good money to see a Bat flick which show zero respect for who Batman is.
 
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WhiteRabbitEXE

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I'm not gonna lie: I still think Batman in a trench coat looks cool as fuck.

OleGunner said:
Wait a goddamn minute..I'm perusing early bits of this thread and I read that Batman breaks his one rule frequently
and actually kills people?
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With that lead-up you might as well not even have that blip spoiler tagged, lol. Everyone knows what his "one rule" is.
 
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tomtom94

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Hilarious to see the usual doublethink with regards to critics, willing to bet that if they'd praised this film to high heavens half the people who are saying "I'm not going to let their opinion affect mine" would have been crowing to the high heavens about how well-received the film was. But I digress.

This is disappointing, from a number of perspectives. For one, I still retained a degree of love for Snyder for making Watchmen, so that's now gone. For two, I would have liked DC to really stick it to Marvel so that Marvel stay on their toes (especially seeing as DC are taking the more gritty, adult-oriented approach with their films). For three, while I'm not sure the DC Expanded Universe as proposed by Zack Snyder is a great overall loss, I worry that the films affected by this will be the experimental ones further down the slate.

But for four, it's just disappointing as a fan of good superhero movies.
 
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Beren the Empty-Handed

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SPE said:
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/03/22/batman-v-superman-review-zack-snyders-doomsday

It's a well written review, highlighting specific issues with clear examples. Many of which could be levelled at MoS, but BvS seems to slide even further into Sucker Punch era Synder.

And yeah, it's utterly scathing.
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This is where I have come to believe that Zack Snyder hates Superman. It’s there in our faces in Man of Steel, a Superman who can’t quite come to grips with the idea of being a hero. He takes 30 plus years to come to that, and he comes to it over the objections of his father. Pa Kent shows up again in BvS, in a nonsensical and jarring hallucination/dream/whatever in which Pa tells a story about how he once saved the Kent family farm from drowning, but in the process he flooded the next farm over. Pa heard the screams of the drowning horses in his sleep every night.

Instead of walking back Man of Steel’s wishy-washiness about heroism, BvS doubles down on it. This Superman is not a man of the people - he doesn’t seem to ever grant interviews, for instance - and he is constantly aloof. While the movie gives Batman and Lex Luthor a very particular (and well argued) point of view about this god among us, it offers no counterpoint for Superman. Superman himself doesn’t even seem to be very invested in being a hero or saving people. He never has a scene where he puts forth any kind of philosophy (and every character in this movie gets a scene where they are allowed to pontificate on sophomore-level philosophy).

It’s because Snyder doesn’t believe in what Superman stands for. He doesn’t believe in the idea that he’s just a guy trying to do right by the world, and that he doesn’t have to learn to do right or be convinced not to quit, that this just is how Superman is. It’s as integral to him as his Kryptonian powers.
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Superman is my favorite superhero. If this review is accurate, this is just heartbreaking.

I just...why...
 
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Sadist

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Spinluck said:
Watchmen is gonna end up the only movie from him that I like

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For the life of me, I can't remember a single thing about Watchmen. Was kinda bored to tears too.

To this day Snyder has only made one flick I like and thats Dawn of The Dead... and I still prefer the original over the remake.
 
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BudokaiMR2

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I never understood the Iron Man 3 hate.

I thought it was a great twist on a classic Iron Man story.
To me one of the most iconic IM stories was the Demon in a Bottle one where he is battling and losing his fight against alcoholism.

I felt like the entire PTSD subplot was way to show that same 'down-on-his-luck' side of Tony without having to actually touch the topic of alcoholism (which would never happen thanks to ratings I am sure).

Am I the only one who looked at it that way?
 
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