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Captain America: Brave New World | Official Trailer

Trilobit

Absolutely Cozy
I think you mean "Jon Favreau took this character" as HE was the one who fought for RDJ and hammered something wonderful from what had otherwise been in dev hell for over a DECADE.

Then Jon went and did it AGAIN with The Mandalorian.

Why that guy isn't running Lucasarts, if not the ENTIRE Disney studio system, is beyond me.

Plus he has a frat boy streak which is why Disney bought Lucasarts in the first place, to appeal to boys, and Kathleen Kennedy has spent the last 15 years or so trying to stomp out, tanking her company along the way.

I think Kennedy must have gotten some seriously ironclad contract when SW changed hands from Lucas to Disney. She has been hellbent on moving the franchise in a very weird direction while Favreau seems to have an innate sense of what works and what doesn't. I hope she'll leave of her own volition soon, maybe then we can get Star Wars which feels like Star Wars.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
I think Kennedy must have gotten some seriously ironclad contract when SW changed hands from Lucas to Disney. She has been hellbent on moving the franchise in a very weird direction while Favreau seems to have an innate sense of what works and what doesn't. I hope she'll leave of her own volition soon, maybe then we can get Star Wars which feels like Star Wars.
She's 71, so time will do it for her soon enough. I think it's a pretty easy sell that she is far too old to have her finger on the pulse of what the youth want these days. Seems bizarre to have such old people in charge of things like Star Wars and......whatever else Lucasarts does these days.
 

Saber

Member
I think Kennedy must have gotten some seriously ironclad contract when SW changed hands from Lucas to Disney. She has been hellbent on moving the franchise in a very weird direction while Favreau seems to have an innate sense of what works and what doesn't. I hope she'll leave of her own volition soon, maybe then we can get Star Wars which feels like Star Wars.

I honestly though the same. Either that or she has one hell of "advantage" over the ups that makes it almost impossible to kick her out.
But as J jason10mm said, time is not in her favor. And more than soon we will see this bitch out of industry for good and she fortunatelly will only be remembered from Spielberg phrase where he says she was a terrible assistant.
 
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Salz01

Member
Gonna skip all this Marvel slop and just see Downey as Doom. I’m just curious how they are going to pull that shit off.
 


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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Too lazy to read the reviews on MC, though it would be hilarious since so many give it a 2 or 3/10.

Never the less, anyone know how much Red Hulk is in the movie? Every promotional pic or video snip makes it look like Hulk is pounding the shit out of stuff like he's in the movie a lot.
 
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ADiTAR

ידע זה כוח
As expected they really minimized Sabra from the film, including changing her backstory completely and giving her no powers.
 
This movie reportedly went through 4 reshoots, it's been fucked since day 1

Marvel has finally run out of new ways to present the same formula after 58 movies plus 29 TV shows in two decades and it's becoming painful to witness
 

Doom85

Member
As per usual with some people, the “modern critics are trash” angle is sure one they can’t be consistent with:

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Funny enough, if one bothers to actually read some of these low reviews, I’d say at least 20% of them are asking for the movie to comment on the country’s “current situation” (yeah, how dare this February 2025 movie not have a script that tackled issues that have occurred over the past few months! That’s not an unreasonable and idiotic expectation at all that completely doesn’t know how making movies work! Why, clearly one episode of South Park and a blockbuster film have the same length of production!) and other political elements focused on race and other such topics.

So, I guess the people cheering this movie’s critics score were hoping for a more “woke” movie. Huh, I thought they didn’t like the woke boogeyman, but clearly I was mistaken, they miss him already! Well, cheer up, guys, the wokeness may have been absent in this film, but maybe YOUR favorite film franchise will go that direction in its next installment!

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Trilobit

Absolutely Cozy
Too lazy to read the reviews on MC, though it would be hilarious since so many give it a 2 or 3/10.

Never the less, anyone know how much Red Hulk is in the movie? Every promotional pic or video snip makes it look like Hulk is pounding the shit out of stuff like he's in the movie a lot.

A review I read said less than five minutes. :messenger_downcast_sweat:
 

ManaByte

Member


They deleted Amadeus Cho from the movie and changed Sabra from a Mutant from Tel Aviv to nothing so pro-Hamas retards wouldn’t burn down movie theaters playing the movie.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I'm surprised with the low scores as I thought it looked great. I read a lot of reviews and this doesn't sound like my cup of tea. I'll catch it on streaming, but I don't think it's worth a trip to the cinema.

I also stumbled upon a clip online of

Sam fighting Red Hulk. The whole fight isn't there, only the end where Sam gets the winning blow

Which surprised me because I was told this wouldn't happen and all the marketing suggesting it would was just to get bums in seats.
 

Doom85

Member
I'm surprised with the low scores as I thought it looked great. I read a lot of reviews and this doesn't sound like my cup of tea. I'll catch it on streaming, but I don't think it's worth a trip to the cinema.

I also stumbled upon a clip online of

Sam fighting Red Hulk. The whole fight isn't there, only the end where Sam gets the winning blow

Which surprised me because I was told this wouldn't happen and all the marketing suggesting it would was just to get bums in seats.

AHEM, some asshole on YouTube already spoiled the conclusion of that encounter by just putting the full description in the YouTube video name and it showed up in my Recommendations page (honestly, is naming a video like that for something that isn’t even released or about to be released reportable? Feels like it should be), and no, apparently:

Apparently, Sam talks Ross out of the transformation. Unless that’s what you meant by “killing blow”, but otherwise, no, Sam does not defeat Red Hulk by straight up attacking him.
 
I thought it was a mixed bag. Not great, but not terrible either.

It's a decent popcorn flick with some solid action scenes here and there, great performances by Harrison Ford and Carl Lumbly, and some nice tie-ins to previous films.

On the other hand the story is very mid, the pacing is off, most other side-characters are without purpose, and you can clearly tell that this thing was stapled together with reshoots.

For a movie with this kind of budget, some of the effects looked absolutely terrible, so I'm guessing those scenes were part of the reshoots. Luckily most of it looked fine though.

Anthony Mackie tries his best, and I do think he has the potential to pull it off, but the writing just isn't solid enough and the action wasn't as well-directed and choreographed as it needed to be.

I appreciated the darker, Winter-Soldier-esque vibes, and I wasn't ever bored by the film, but it just doesn't come together all that well.

Overall I'd give it like a 6.5/10. Not necessarily a must-see-in-theater, but if you're a fan of the MCU it's worth a watch.
 

ManaByte

Member
and you can clearly tell that this thing was stapled together with reshoots.

The only reshoots were 22 days for the opening to replace Seth Rollins with Esposito:

Despite reports of multiple reshoots on the movie, so far this is the only one. It does not appear to be as extensive as the reshoots that faced Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, which lasted six weeks, nor the expensive and extensive reshoots endured by The Marvels. In fact, one insider says Brave New World will cost significantly less than The Marvels overall.

Multiverse of Madness had more and longer reshoots than this. Stop believing bullshitters on YouTube.
 

ManaByte

Member
any cool post credit scenes?

Just one that sets up Doomsday and Secret Wars, but people who have been ignoring the MCU since Endgame don't get it and call it dumb:
Sam visits the Leader in the Raft. The Leader has figured out that there are other universes and teams of heroes on those universes that will defend them and warns Sam that they are coming and the Avengers will have to face that and he'll have to be prepared for it.
 
The only reshoots were 22 days for the opening to replace Seth Rollins with Esposito:



Multiverse of Madness had more and longer reshoots than this. Stop believing bullshitters on YouTube.
I don't follow any of that stuff on Youtube, it was just the impression that I got.

In that case, I'm guessing this movie was heavily altered in the editing room, and not enough time or budget was available to polish it before release.

Seems obvious, considering the title change, the many missing scenes that were in the trailers, and the various characters that apparently got cut.
 

ManaByte

Member
I'm guessing this movie was heavily altered in the editing room

They cut out entire characters and plot lines.

Sabra in the original cut was a Mutant from Israel.

Amadeus Cho (a hulk in the comics) was completely edited out of the movie. He was played by Podcast from the last two Ghostbusters movies.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
AHEM, some asshole on YouTube already spoiled the conclusion of that encounter by just putting the full description in the YouTube video name and it showed up in my Recommendations page (honestly, is naming a video like that for something that isn’t even released or about to be released reportable? Feels like it should be), and no, apparently:

Apparently, Sam talks Ross out of the transformation. Unless that’s what you meant by “killing blow”, but otherwise, no, Sam does not defeat Red Hulk by straight up attacking him.

I mean, in the footage I saw online. Don't read if you don't want spoilers.

Ross has hold of sam and rips off one of his wings. Sam notices thst a piece of wing is sticking into Ross and kicks it further in, causing Ross to drop Sam. Sam then hits Ross with his other wing, causing a huge energy blast
 
Too lazy to read the reviews on MC, though it would be hilarious since so many give it a 2 or 3/10.

Never the less, anyone know how much Red Hulk is in the movie? Every promotional pic or video snip makes it look like Hulk is pounding the shit out of stuff like he's in the movie a lot.
About the last 10 minutes of the movie.... the movie is trash
 
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I mean, in the footage I saw online. Don't read if you don't want spoilers.

Ross has hold of sam and rips off one of his wings. Sam notices thst a piece of wing is sticking into Ross and kicks it further in, causing Ross to drop Sam. Sam then hits Ross with his other wing, causing a huge energy blast
Doom85 is right, as mentioned I saw the movie yesterday.
 
So, I haven’t watched a Marvel movie Since Endgame except for No Way Home.

I will see this movie, despite reviews. Why?!


As a late 80’s/90’s/early 2000’s kid. I need Marvel to get these next movies and X-men right.

No screw ups.

I want to see how they handle Red Hulk. Because, instead of World War Hulk, I feel using some story where Maestro is the big bad, makes a lot of sense to me. Make him the Big bad to the Avengers or FF4. Etc.

Have Maestro or Red hulk fight Wolverine/or Thing, etc.

Have something DR Doom does accidentally give birth to Maestro. Tony gave birth to Ultron in this version, Doom giving birth to Maestro would be symmetry.
 
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Doom is in like 3 movies. F4, Doomsday, Secret Wars. He’s basically just around to destroy the multiverse.
Right. It would happen in the secret wars.

Will it just be the Black suit Spider-Man? introduces Miles Morales?

I don’t feel like Cosmic Spider-Man is appropriate anymore.

Introducing venom, and Maestro, and X-men would make a lot of sense to me.

Ushering out Dr Doom, Capt America, Dr Strange, Thor, Bruce Banner, etc. Saying goodbye to all the original characters. Entering a different “era”.
 
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adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm not saying Doom is wrong, but Sam definitely fights Ross and gets some hits in.

Saw the movie last night, I can add a bit to this:

Sam definitely gets a huge blow in but that pretty much ends with him wrecking his suit and a few broken ribs. In-fact, his suit is being battle damaged and broken through the fight, which is a nice touch. Even Vibranium can be broken by an angry Hulk. Hulk is momentarily incapacitated by it but he's back on his feet in seconds, just clutching his side. Sam knows he's physically lost and says he knows Hulk can kill him in one punch but he wants to talk it through and then he uses Bolt's daughter as reference to an earlier dialogue about taking a walk among the cherry trees to calm him down and revert back to his human form.

In terms of the sheer fight, Sam did not, and was never going to, win one on one against Hulk.

It's divisive, but I actually liked the way it showed the ferocity of a Hulk. Ruffalo's hulk has been pretty neutered in the MCU.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
This is the kind of press that's gonna kill this film...


Captain America: Brave New World has come close to securing an embarrassing Rotten Tomatoes record for a Marvel film after the new blockbuster opened to negative reviews from critics.

Brave New World marks Anthony Mackie’s first feature film outing as Captain America with his character inheriting the mantle from Steve Rogers (Chris Evans) at the end of Avengers: Endgame. The movie also stars Harrison Ford, Giancarlo Esposito and Danny Ramirez.


Although Marvel movies continue to dominate the box office, critics have been notably much harsher on their output since Endgame with five of their films since 2019 currently holding the lowest scores on Rotten Tomatoes.

Brave New World has opened with a score of 51 per cent, which is way off the 60 per cent needed to get a fresh rating on the website. The only two MCU films with a lower score are Eternals with 47 per cent and Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania with 46 per cent.

In a two-star review, The Independent’s Adam White writes that Brave New World “isn’t the catastrophe that its endless delays and reshoots might have suggested” but that “the MCU cannot afford to rest on producing merely functional entertainment anymore”.

Overall, critics have been generous to MCU since 2008 with its 32 other films all receiving fresh scores on the website even though the general feeling is that the studio’s output has dropped in quality since 2019.

Brave New World had a difficult press tour after Mackie described the eponymous protagonist as a man with “honour, dignity and integrity,” and that such qualities did not currently represent America.

The viral clip was quick to anger Republicans, who called for the movie to be boycotted, with some going so far as to describe it as “woke garbage.” Conservative political commentator Dan Bongino shared a clip on X of Mackie’s remarks and wrote: “Another s*** movie I won’t be seeing.”


Mackie responded, writing on Instagram: “Let me be clear about this, I’m a proud American and taking on the shield of a hero like CAP is the honour of a lifetime.

“I have the utmost respect for those who serve and have served our country. CAP has universal characteristics that people all over the world can relate to,” he concluded.

Kinda sums up both the fatigue with the MCU and the kerfuffle over the press tour. The marketing was directionless since they couldn't seem to pick a direction for the film and had to actively suppress one of the co-leads. Then Mackie gave them juuuuuust enough to make skipping it an easy decision (perhaps, we'll see with the week 2 hold %).

The MCU needs a real kick in the pants, hopefully the post endgame string of flops drives that home when even the sure-fire films are not delivering. Thunderbolts doesn't look much better based on the scatter brained trailers I've seen but we'll see. I never even finished Black Widow so if its "more like that" I think I'll skip it. My kid shows little interest in it (not sure he's even seen a trailer TBH, as it hasn't been pushed in theaters nearly as much (or is skewing to an older audience) which makes it even easier to skip as I doubt my wife would care to see it either. If it gets great WOM I'll have to sneak away during the day :p But that director has no action track record either. I liked Frank and Me and maybe he did good eps of Brand New Cherry Flavor and Skeleton Crew (did folks like Beef?) but otherwise it's hard to get excited about him.

Too early to tell with F4. That director has a lot (all?) of TV which isn't inherently a bad thing, Whedon and the Russos came from TV as well, but it tends to give a different look to the movie, often less of a sweeping cinematic scope, and the MCU is DYING because so much of it feels "like a D+ show" in look, tone, scope, and feel. I wish the MCU could get more real movie directors with a strong vision. Hell, get Snyder in there, so long as he isn't writing the script and only has 20 seconds of slo-mo MAX he will give you a film that looks like no other (in a good way).
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
This is the kind of press that's gonna kill this film...


Captain America: Brave New World has come close to securing an embarrassing Rotten Tomatoes record for a Marvel film after the new blockbuster opened to negative reviews from critics.

Brave New World marks Anthony Mackie’s first feature film outing as Captain America with his character inheriting the mantle from Steve Rogers (Chris Evans) at the end of Avengers: Endgame. The movie also stars Harrison Ford, Giancarlo Esposito and Danny Ramirez.


Although Marvel movies continue to dominate the box office, critics have been notably much harsher on their output since Endgame with five of their films since 2019 currently holding the lowest scores on Rotten Tomatoes.

Brave New World has opened with a score of 51 per cent, which is way off the 60 per cent needed to get a fresh rating on the website. The only two MCU films with a lower score are Eternals with 47 per cent and Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania with 46 per cent.

In a two-star review, The Independent’s Adam White writes that Brave New World “isn’t the catastrophe that its endless delays and reshoots might have suggested” but that “the MCU cannot afford to rest on producing merely functional entertainment anymore”.

Overall, critics have been generous to MCU since 2008 with its 32 other films all receiving fresh scores on the website even though the general feeling is that the studio’s output has dropped in quality since 2019.

Brave New World had a difficult press tour after Mackie described the eponymous protagonist as a man with “honour, dignity and integrity,” and that such qualities did not currently represent America.

The viral clip was quick to anger Republicans, who called for the movie to be boycotted, with some going so far as to describe it as “woke garbage.” Conservative political commentator Dan Bongino shared a clip on X of Mackie’s remarks and wrote: “Another s*** movie I won’t be seeing.”


Mackie responded, writing on Instagram: “Let me be clear about this, I’m a proud American and taking on the shield of a hero like CAP is the honour of a lifetime.

“I have the utmost respect for those who serve and have served our country. CAP has universal characteristics that people all over the world can relate to,” he concluded.

Kinda sums up both the fatigue with the MCU and the kerfuffle over the press tour. The marketing was directionless since they couldn't seem to pick a direction for the film and had to actively suppress one of the co-leads. Then Mackie gave them juuuuuust enough to make skipping it an easy decision (perhaps, we'll see with the week 2 hold %).

The MCU needs a real kick in the pants, hopefully the post endgame string of flops drives that home when even the sure-fire films are not delivering. Thunderbolts doesn't look much better based on the scatter brained trailers I've seen but we'll see. I never even finished Black Widow so if its "more like that" I think I'll skip it. My kid shows little interest in it (not sure he's even seen a trailer TBH, as it hasn't been pushed in theaters nearly as much (or is skewing to an older audience) which makes it even easier to skip as I doubt my wife would care to see it either. If it gets great WOM I'll have to sneak away during the day :p But that director has no action track record either. I liked Frank and Me and maybe he did good eps of Brand New Cherry Flavor and Skeleton Crew (did folks like Beef?) but otherwise it's hard to get excited about him.

Too early to tell with F4. That director has a lot (all?) of TV which isn't inherently a bad thing, Whedon and the Russos came from TV as well, but it tends to give a different look to the movie, often less of a sweeping cinematic scope, and the MCU is DYING because so much of it feels "like a D+ show" in look, tone, scope, and feel. I wish the MCU could get more real movie directors with a strong vision. Hell, get Snyder in there, so long as he isn't writing the script and only has 20 seconds of slo-mo MAX he will give you a film that looks like no other (in a good way).
Had a feeling it was junk right from the beginning. First of all, most people know Cap as a white guy. And in the past 10+ years it's Chris Evans. Not everyone cares or knows about whatever comicbook changes or handing off the torch scene where new Cap is a black guy with robo wings.

As for fatigue, it was a matter of time. I hardly watch Marvel movies, but it seems most of those old Avenger and Spidey movies got good ratings and pulled in the cash. But when they shotgunned a million characters most people dont even know about unless youre a core superhero follower (there is no way most people know who Eternals, Morbius, Kraven are etc...), the studio is basically banking on the Marvel name, universe and CGI battles assuming it'll be automatic billion dollar boomers like the rest of the big name franchises. Though to be fair GOTG has consistently done well, and I doubt most people knew who they are.

If you add up all the Marvel movies (including sequels), there's got to be what? 30 or 40 movies? All made in a pretty short amount of time. Impossible to keep the quality and consumer interest high throughout all of it. Some of the movies have such bad sales it shows most casuals and even core comicbook multiverse fans dont even care.

Also, looks like those old rumours were true. Red Hulk barely in the movie and the movie seems like a mess due to reshoots.
 
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Doom85

Member
“Brave New World had a difficult press tour after Mackie described the eponymous protagonist as a man with “honour, dignity and integrity,” and that such qualities did not currently represent America.

The viral clip was quick to anger Republicans, who called for the movie to be boycotted, with some going so far as to describe it as “woke garbage.” Conservative political commentator Dan Bongino shared a clip on X of Mackie’s remarks and wrote: “Another s*** movie I won’t be seeing.””

(the following is aimed solely at the article writer, Greg Evans, and other individuals brought up in the article, NOT jason or anyone in this thread, in case someone besides him reads this but fails to read Jason’s prior post)

That’s NOT what he fucking said, Greg Evans at MSN, you fucking lying shit. “Currently”? When he did say that word? Honestly, even official press are now not only twisting his words, but adding words he didn’t say, fucking wow.

His actual quote: “To me, Captain America represents a lot of different things and I don’t think the term “America” should be one of those representations”, and anyone who isn’t a ragebait seeking grifter and whose brain functions normally and isn’t all, “AHMERICA is the greatest nation that ever existed, we have freedom like no other, and we should nuke anyone who disagrees!” could look at the quote and rationally go, “oh, because many people of many nations have those qualities Mackie mentioned like honor, dignity, and integrity.” Notice how Mackie used the phrase “term” before America and not “country”. You know, it would be awesome if these witch hunters would have basic reading comprehension, but let’s be real, most of them probably knew what he actually meant and were ready to crucify him anyway.

Also, because anyone who actually knows the character all knows Captain America never represented the country, he represents who each citizen should strive to be like. Honestly, it’s a BAD look for every single person who whined about Mackie’s comment because it makes each of those people look lazy and entitled and want to be considered awesome purely because of the country they were born in, no, fuck that, you each earn your integrity, you don’t get it handed to you because you were born in a nation.

Also, “woke garbage”? A) an actor who did not write the movie does not necessarily represent the film’s script, and B) some of the negative reviews have complained about the film lacking any real political angles. Once again, some of the anti-woke are becoming the very drama queen clowns they detest.

And hey, Dan Bongino, whoever the fuck you are, go fuck yourself. Lord knows your side likes to accuse the other side of being snowflakes, but look at you, letting actor’s comments which don’t have any impact on the movie affect your decision because the Big Bad Mean Mackie hurt your feelings and you have to cuddle up with your American Flag blanket as you proceed to join the witch hunt like all the other brainless parrots. But let’s be real, Dan, you were never seeing it to begin with, so if you’re going to be a little bitch, at least be a honest one.

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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Also, because anyone who actually knows the character all knows Captain America never represented the country, he represents who each citizen should strive to be like. Honestly, it’s a BAD look for every single person who whined about Mackie’s comment because it makes each of those people look lazy and entitled and want to be considered awesome purely because of the country they were born in, no, fuck that, you each earn your integrity, you don’t get it handed to you because you were born in a nation.
I dont follow CA and never read his comics. All I know is what he looks like based on what I saw as a kid and him in Avenger movies.

If he doesn't represent America, then why is he called Captain America, dressed in red white and blue and has a giant star on his shield? If his purpose is to be more like him (strive to be some wholesome hero dude), but ignore his name and USA costume that makes no sense.
 
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Doom85

Member
I dont follow CA and never read his comics. All I know is what he looks like based on what I saw as a kid and him in Avenger movies.

If he doesn't represent America, then why is called Captain America, dressed in red white and blue and has a giant star on his shield? If his purpose is to be more like him, but ignore his name and USA costume that makes no sense.

He represents what Americans should strive to be like. He is the ideal AMERICAN, but that doesn’t mean him existing means America as a whole gets patted on the back for him existing. I mean, that’s ridiculous if you think about it.

Hell, as I’ve said multiple times in this thread, there has been a massive group with a four letter acronym slogan talking about American needing to be “great” again, which by logical conclusion means this group thinks America isn’t always “great” in their eyes either. Which, hey, regardless if I agree with them or not, that’s their opinion and they can express it.

And it’s highly likely people like this Dan Bongino belong to such a group. And is so, yet again, double standards and just straight up dishonesty on some of these people’s part. They like to shit on an “America” that isn’t in line with how they view it, but the second someone outside of their group supposedly does so (even though, again, it’s not even what Mackie meant), that someone needs to fuck off in their eyes despite plenty of members said group constantly whining about their freedom of speech and such.

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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
He represents what Americans should strive to be like. He is the ideal AMERICAN, but that doesn’t mean him existing means America as a whole gets patted on the back for him existing. I mean, that’s ridiculous if you think about it.

Hell, as I’ve said multiple times in this thread, there has been a massive group with a four letter acronym slogan talking about American needing to be “great” again, which by logical conclusion means this group thinks America isn’t always “great” in their eyes either. Which, hey, regardless if I agree with them or not, that’s their opinion and they can express it.

And it’s highly likely people like this Dan Bongino belong to such a group. And is so, yet again, double standards and just straight up dishonesty on some of these people’s part. They like to shit on an “America” that isn’t in line with how they view it, but the second someone outside of their group supposedly does so (even though, again, it’s not even what Mackie meant), that someone needs to fuck off in their eyes despite plenty of members said group constantly whining about their freedom of speech and such.

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If thats the case, then he should put on a different costume because at first glance all anyone sees is America. It's like sports. People in the olympics wear a costume based on their country/flag. They represent.
 

Doom85

Member
If thats the case, then he should put on a different costume because at first glance all anyone sees is America. It's like sports. People in the olympics wear a costume based on their country/flag. They represent.

You just proved my point. Olympic athletes represent the best of a nation althetics-wise. It’s what the people of the nation should strive for in health and fitness. But that’s doesn’t automatically make the nation healthy and fit in general.

So once again, Captain America doesn’t represent “America”, he represents what Americans should strive to aim for. An Olympic athlete is a perfect example to illustrate that, thank you.
 
I think Kennedy must have gotten some seriously ironclad contract when SW changed hands from Lucas to Disney. She has been hellbent on moving the franchise in a very weird direction while Favreau seems to have an innate sense of what works and what doesn't. I hope she'll leave of her own volition soon, maybe then we can get Star Wars which feels like Star Wars.
I don't want any more Star Wars from Disney, period

The only way I'll ever want Star Wars again is after Disney sells the franchise to another company or spins it back out into an independent company like it used to be
 

ManaByte

Member
the movie seems like a mess due to reshoots.
The only reshoots were to replace Seth Rollins with Giancarlo Esposito. Because Rollins obviously couldn’t carry that character. It was 22 days. The fewest amount of reshoots of any MCU movie.

The only reshot stuff was the scenes Esposito is in (like 3 scenes total), and they ADR’d dialog saying that Sabra was a former Widow when her Mutant plot line was cut out.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
You just proved my point. Olympic athletes represent the best of a nation althetics-wise. It’s what the people of the nation should strive for in health and fitness. But that’s doesn’t automatically make the nation healthy and fit in general.

So once again, Captain America doesn’t represent “America”, he represents what Americans should strive to aim for. An Olympic athlete is a perfect example to illustrate that, thank you.
When someone wears a uniform, they represent that country in sports. Thats why when they win a medal it goes towards the country total in competition with others. And so does Captain America.

The guy is even named Captain America.
 

Doom85

Member
When someone wears a uniform, they represent that country in sports. Thats why when they win a medal it goes towards the country total in competition with others. And so does Captain America.

The guy is even named Captain America.

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They represent what we as a nation strive for. They don’t automatically represent any individual just because they happen to be in the nation, how arrogant is that? “Yeah, these athletes trained most of their lives to be in this competition, but let’s make sure we make it about ME as well, after all, I had to reach over for the remote and everything to watch them on TV!”

Yes, the “nation” can “win” the Olympics, but the logical reality is that it’s the athletes who are the real winners, not any of us sitting on our ass watching it on TV. Likewise, a Captain America having good virtues does not automatically prove America in general always has good virtues. And furthermore, those good virtues are not exclusive to America. That’s why Mackie said specifically that the character does not represent the “term” America. TERM. Not “country”. Honesty, integrity, one would be beyond arrogant in their “patriotism” to think these aren’t values that can be found all over the world.

If the YouTubers and article “writers” ragebait grifters who witch hunted Mackie over this had any reading comprehension, they would have picked up on that. But let’s be real, then they can’t make a stupid ass controversy founded on misplaced anger that brings in those sweet, sweet ragebait views.

Captain America himself has often criticized America. This is before any of the MCU Cap films, hell some of this goes back to the 80’s!


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This is what the character has been. I’m sorry some of you only had a very surface level understanding of the Captain America mantle, and merely heard “America” and stopped thinking further about it beyond that.

And once again, Mackie being witch hunted by the press (and Youtubers who pretend to be the press) just makes him even more fitting to play the part since Cap himself, whether Steve or Sam, in the comics is often subject to this bullshit.
 
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