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Fair enough. Not to keep beating this dead horse (too late) but the THR article was from May 24 and seeming refers to a spring/early summer 22 days reshoot, while Esposito mentions a FALL 24 series of reshoots as well.
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He replaced Seth Rollins. It wasn’t an entire character. Seth Rollins was originally the leader of the Serpent Society in the movie. Esposito replaced him. He’s in 3 scenes.
Trailer editors/marketing departments have zero tact, they just follow scripted formulas of how to create marketing materials by putting everything exciting in there, regardless if it is a spoiler or not, because it increases attendance/profit by a few percentage; heck some trailers are every important beat in the movie from start to finish, trailers for animated movies are notorious for this bullshit.
For me, trailers are trash. Not du to spoiling plots because by the time I watch the movie I probably forgot all the explosions already.
Man, that was a dogshit movie. It earned all the scorn it is getting. While the base plot was serviceable I guess, its was trash level writing, nonexistent character development, muddy effects, bizarre and ugly cinematography, and incredibly cheap feeling sets that just underscored the shredded plot that left no room for proper scene transitions, exposition of all the crap from a tv show or previous film that I haven't watched, or any sense of the stakes or threats. As a "spy thriller" it was cartoony bad with keyboard banging as the only way to find the next macguffin.
You can DEFINITELY see the reshoots, that whole opening scene has a level of clarity and precision absent the rest of the film, then the rest of Espositio's stuff, and he was only in the film for 6.5 minutes, I measured, was simple dialogue scenes. Where that 22 days of shooting (+ the reshoots he said he did later) were for...who can say?). I'm starting the believe that 180 mill budget number though, at least for the initial photography, because the CG was worse than Black Panther.
I'll spoiler my thoughts on the plot in case anyone actually wants to see this thing "untainted"
So I'll start with The Leader. VERY unimposing as the mastermind with silly make-up (however translated from the comics it may be). But he somehow figured out an audio/visual command system and then knew the EXACT folks to prep for it and how to deliver these commands with such precision that they were able to pull off extensive coordinated acts? Shit, if he had that level of exquisite control then how did he have all these redundancy folks scattered around? If his inital plan was to assassinate the Pres in the brief, yet he somehow had a couple of Hornet pilots on stand-by? But thats typical "evil genius mastermind" bad writing so I'll let that one go.
Poor Sabra. Turned from an Israeli superhero to ANOTHER ex-Widow, and really, a former Russian/Soviet assassin is the Director of Security for the US? WTF???? But even if she was still Israeli, what was her role there, at all?
Falcon junior seemed just as capable as Sam, minus the magic wakandan tech. It was choice irony that they refused to call HIM "Falcon", even though he was wearing the uniform and doing the job, while Sam is called "Captain America" for....wearing the uniform and doing the job. WTF are these superhero titles then?
As for Sam, he is now an Iron Man/Black Panther/Captain America mash-up. He has the magic nano-tech of Iron man with effortless control of complex technomagical systems yet the infinite impact absorbing power of the Panther AND the precise shield control of the Cap. Why the shield though? Seemed like his knife throwing wings are superior in every way. Oh yeah, because the Shield is like Excalibur, if you possess it you get the title, I guess.
The treaty thing, WTF? The Indian Ocean is THOUSANDS of miles from Japan, why are they even in the discussion? Both India AND Indonesia, right there, have Navies MUCH larger. Picking Japan seemed like a bizarre choice, in a film FILLED with them. I'm guessing the writers wanted China but Disney said "pick another asian country, one that might generate BO for us". Color me disappointed that they didn't have an adamantium veritech fighter. Opportunity missed!
The whole Isaiha Bradley thing was ham-fisted. So he got the super soldier serum first? So what? We've established that serum IS NOT what makes you Captain America. And is he 110 years old like Bucky? I'm guessing he had story in F&WS but it was very poorly explained here other than he was Sam's very strong but cranky uncle or something. I'll just give that one the benefit of the doubt that it makes sense in the context of the whole D+ show but it's distracting in this film.
So the pres steps down. Who even was the vice-president? Mrs. VEEP herself Julia Dreyfus? Whoever it is, they were so unimportant they don't even get MENTIONED in the film, much less a set-up scene. I did like that Bucky looks a LOT like JD Vance, setting him up as a congressman positions him to be POTUS in the future and that semblance will come in handy I suspect
Anyway, enough for now. My kid was very uninterested in the film and confused by it. But he likes Bucky so we are seeing Thunderbolts! Yay(?) That the trailers for that film give ZERO idea what the F the plot is or even much about the villain makes me fear it's gonna be yet another chopped up disjointed mess of scenes, but we'll see.
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Israeli agent or former russian agent....neither makes a lick of sense.
See, if he is gonna be "super brain" and destroy Ross's legacy...you mean the VERY LEGACY HE HELPED HIM WITH? So The Leader in all his super wisdom allowed himself to be a prisoner for years and years with the master plan of getting Ross into the White House and ONLY THEN making him Hulk out over a contrived incident over Adamantium (how did he even predict any of that?). I'm sure there are tons of scenes on the cutting room floor about this plot but what's on screen is nonsensical.
They VERY SPECIFICALLY make fun of him for wanting to be called Falcon in the beginning, only at the very end did Sam grace him with the Falcon name, codename, nome de plume, whatever it is or means.
Pretty sure Tony had "Flow like water" Iron Man suits before any post-Black Panther exchange of tech, but sure, go with that. Regardless, when his wings, helmet, and gear appear and disappear and seem to obey his thoughts, it takes him from being a man into a superman, which then undercuts the very worries and concerns he then has.
I enjoyed it as well. If anything, felt like it was more of a Harrison Ford movie, which was a plus for me.
She originally was. Marvel cut her part down and changed it fro a mutant to a former widow.
I'm curious what her role was pre-editing. Was she intended to represent "mutants" keeping an eye on Ross? Or be one that drove him to support or persecute them? The actress ranged from looking like that backwards speaking dude from Twin Peaks to kinda hot if you are into elves.
I meant more for acting but maybe in the looks department as well. Jenn has that classic old hollywood grace and elegance, really classes up the joint. Liv, alas, peaked in her dads music videos. My well worn VHS of Stealing Beauty aside, of course
I meant more for acting but maybe in the looks department as well. Jenn has that classic old hollywood grace and elegance, really classes up the joint. Liv, alas, peaked in her dads music videos. My well worn VHS of Stealing Beauty aside, of course
Her odd vocal cadence certainly played well there.
Seriously? That makes a lot of sense now.
What were her powers besides gymkata fighting? That bit was either reshot or it always looked very "widow-esque" in style.
in the source material she's stronger than spider-man and faster than captain america in a foot race.
That's how all heroines are defined, by how many men they can beat
You see the movie yet?
I saw it before you did. And there was just one period of reshoots. You can tell where they added Esposito and removed Rollins.
Uhh no, that's my own explanation so there's a clear frame of reference for people not familiar with the comics, like you.That's how all heroines are defined, by how many men they can beat
So then you agree that allll the effort the MCU has been putting into trying to develop heroines is all for naught if "non-comic readers" such as myself (not true, but for the sake of argument we'll run with it) STILL have no frame of reference that includes them. You could have used She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Captain Marvel, Wasp, Ghost, Captain Carter, Gamora, Nebula, Don't call her Lady Thor, etc, but you didn't. Because NO ONE cares about those characters, not even folks familiar with the comics, much less folks who only consume the films or less. They have spent YEARS trying to get cultural penetration with these characters but still...nada. Tells you just how incredibly difficult it is and why they trade on the same 3-4 characters over and over.
No.
Presumably it wasn't JUST the scenes with esposito physically in them, they cut out the entire Serpent Society and collapsed it down to just Esposito, right? They also cut Rosa Salazar (who was fantastic in Brand New Cherry Flavor and would have been a bright spot in this film) and Rachel Leighton.
Because vibranium. That's it. That's the explanation lol
He takes many full power double fisted strikes from a HULK. How much kinetic energy can these wings absorb? It's a believability busting move because it essentially makes Sam invulnerable. Hardly the worst thing in this film as he'll need all that juice for the big team films coming, it just makes the film yo-yo when he 'decides' to fight a human mano-y-mano and takes a cracked rib but then 'gets serious' with fighter jets and then 'super serious' taking down a Hulk. There is little personal threat to him and its hard for the audience to feel the stakes because he (and largely his sidekick 'almost Falcon' as well) can fly supersonic, effortlessly use drones and stuff, and keep a snarky attitude the whole way. I suppose it a bit of a "bitch eating crackers" because stuff like this is littered throughout the MCU, especially after the first couple of films, but if they want a serious tone they need to adjust the power levels and use the fights to address the characters (IMHO).
Pro-tip, Obnoxious is my middle name! If we can't shit talk FUCKING COMICS, then what's the point of "off-topic" Gaf?
