MMaRsu
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Well I disagree. Tower of Latria is completely devoid of the atmosphere the original brought.
Haven't played all stages yet but Holy shit.
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Demon's Souls Remake is sorely dissapointing in the art direction
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Haven't played all stages yet but Holy shit.
MMaRsu
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Thats exactly how this remake feels to me, you explained it great.
Demon Souls remake also feels too clean.
And Yeah changing the Nexus music.. smh. Why. The original is literally perfection
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March Climber
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I don't know why so many fans of the new one are even bothering argue.
You can't beat nostalgia in a boxing match. It always wins and has the perfect record.
Just understand that you, me, and the millions of other buyers enjoy the remake for what it is.
You can't beat nostalgia in a boxing match. It always wins and has the perfect record.
Just understand that you, me, and the millions of other buyers enjoy the remake for what it is.
MMaRsu
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Not sure what it has to do with nostalgia when the original music is objectively better at setting the mood of the setting the game depicts.
March Climber
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Not falling for this. You have your feelings on the original, people have theirs on the remake. I'm glad you liked the I.P. enough to buy/play it twice.
Punished Miku
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Seriously. I'm actually aggressively anti-nostalgia. DS Remake is one of the only games on PS5 I enjoyed. They literally rewrote the music and it clashes with the atmosphere of the entire game.
I had similar critique of the Dark Souls 1 OST so it has literally nothing to do with nostalgia. It's the music composition.
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diffusionx
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We've all established this is subjective and people gave reasonable answers as to why the soundtrack was changed
Unknown?
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Nope, that's just your opinion.
MMaRsu
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Pretty sure not everything is subjective in everything.
A musical composition can fit or not fit a theme.
It doesnt matter if there are people who like it, you can still determine which is objectively better for the subject material.
I dont need people to agree with me but I would like to state that something can be objectively better than something, and that doesnt need anything to do with nostalgia.
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Bernardougf
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Never understood all the crying about the remake and some chamges.. for me it was excellent.
Unknown?
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Well there are those who think the new version is objectively better. :/ Seems to be split 50:50 and seems like those who never played the original prefer the new one.
My personal opinion is there are better aspects to the original but some things in the new version are better too.
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MMaRsu
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Well ofcourse
that only makes sense! Because they didnt even experience the original offered in terms of atmosphere 
R6Rider
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It's your opinion that the music fits the mood or theme of the game.
In my opinion, it never did completely. It was weird and unique in instances, but that doesn't mean it "fit".
In terms of atmosphere the Remake is better. The new details, and less fog filter effects actually allow you to see the grand scale of environments, the darkness of the world, and so on.
I don't find all the new music to be better, for example the Maiden in Black theme is better in the original.
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nial
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Bluepoint did not decide anything, Sony did.
The remake's development was led by Japan Studio.
MMaRsu
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Whoever decided it is a moron
ShadyAcshuns
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If you love the original so much, then that's all you need.
Bartski
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back in the day when I used to make records, that's the kind of dumb shit that would get you instantly blacklisted as a client
MMaRsu
Member
But it loses all feeling of playing in an ghostly world.
MMaRsu
Member
Music is integral to a game's feel, yes. What a surprise?
Imagine changing Ocarina of Times music to be Epic and orchestrated. Surely it would be much better than the original right?
R6Rider
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I never thought of the world as ghostly in the original. So for me that isn't a factor.
nial
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Right, but it's funny to me seeing all the people blaming Bluepoint or calling it a 'Western' remake, when all the creative choices were either made or approved at Japan Studio.
Unknown?
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I'm sure there would be people who prefer that in Zelda, mainly those who played the original after a remake that changes the music.Music is integral to a game's feel, yes. What a surprise?
Imagine changing Ocarina of Times music to be Epic and orchestrated. Surely it would be much better than the original right?
MMaRsu
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Only people who think more bombast makes something automatically better I suppose..
Ribi
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It would be better music. A whole Epic? Sign me up.Music is integral to a game's feel, yes. What a surprise?
Imagine changing Ocarina of Times music to be Epic and orchestrated. Surely it would be much better than the original right?
S0ULZB0URNE
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Oh and not buying and playing it day one takes your credibility card away.
Codes 208
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Agreed. The original king allant the e for example was more somber, fit the mood better as a depressing scene
We've all established this is subjective and people gave reasonable answers as to why the soundtrack was changed
Buuut, the newer version is so bombastic and epic that i can't help but have it playing when im at the gym
You can tell dark souls 3 was the biggest influence for the newer music and, *personally*, I kinda like it more
Nickolaidas
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See, this is why I can't take seriously the people who claim the remake had 'no art direction'. Like, FUCK. OFF. This is godlike nightmare fuel.I prefer the new design.
The walking animations were also greatly improved.
Nickolaidas
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Exactly. I don't care what the 'haters' say - the Flamelurker theme in the remake is far more fitting to ME than the original's. The original is slow, toned down and drowsy. All the while you have a giant infernal demonic ape who jumps up and down throughout the entire stage firing blazes of death and fire on your ass. The remake's epic and frantic theme is MUCH more suited to what is HAPPENING in the screen.
The original theme is about the 'story' of the Flamelurker.
The remake's theme is about the BATTLE itself.
In a way, they both 'fit' for what they are and try to do. But I prefer the Remake because for ME, the theme should be about fighting that particular titan, not listening to its story.
ZoukGalaxy
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Zacfoldor
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I think OP is wrong, sorry op.
On the PS5 Pro, I think it is the most upgraded game and the only game that really shows it off to an extreme. It really is a monster upgrade. Just load into the actual start area and look up at the first building. You will be in awe.
These bad takes are so tiresome. Sorry OP, but no. This game has some of the best art direction, best music, and best graphics ever made. To hear you complain about it is like hearing someone from a first world country complain about how bad their food on every corner is. I've made a concentrated effort not to mock or degrade anyone lately and I'm very proud of myself. I've had to edit this post about 5 times.
I bought Demon's Souls on LAUNCH hated it, hated that shit until I played Dark Souls fucking 3 my bro. Now I love every Fromsoft game ever. LOVE them. I say all this to say that Demon's Souls is a videogame, not a Picasso. UPGRADING things is something that helps the game not hurts it and Bluepoint did it right. Not a single decision they made could have been made better by you, so I'm sorry but we can't agree on this one.
On the PS5 Pro, I think it is the most upgraded game and the only game that really shows it off to an extreme. It really is a monster upgrade. Just load into the actual start area and look up at the first building. You will be in awe.
These bad takes are so tiresome. Sorry OP, but no. This game has some of the best art direction, best music, and best graphics ever made. To hear you complain about it is like hearing someone from a first world country complain about how bad their food on every corner is. I've made a concentrated effort not to mock or degrade anyone lately and I'm very proud of myself. I've had to edit this post about 5 times.
I bought Demon's Souls on LAUNCH hated it, hated that shit until I played Dark Souls fucking 3 my bro. Now I love every Fromsoft game ever. LOVE them. I say all this to say that Demon's Souls is a videogame, not a Picasso. UPGRADING things is something that helps the game not hurts it and Bluepoint did it right. Not a single decision they made could have been made better by you, so I'm sorry but we can't agree on this one.
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MMaRsu
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Oh man.. That brings back horrible memories of Sonic 3D on Megadrive..
Wish I never spent my money on that garbage!
Although that one stage had good music (the rest was mediocre for a Sonic game)
Oh and this one is dope too
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MMaRsu
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I will continue to play more today, and this weekend for sure. I am not putting the game down yet.
Nickolaidas
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In the OP's defense, I don't think he says that the graphics are worse, but rather, how non-FAITHFUL the art direction of the remake is to the original.
For example, no one is saying that the fat official looks better in the original in terms of polygons and meshes; the argument is how drastically the fat official's 'form' is changed and the lore implications with it. Which I can understand.
Objectively, in terms of gameplay, I doubt that there are people who will say the original plays better.
ConkerTheSquirrel.
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Bluepoint thinks we're all monkeys that only respond to high-octane, bombastic music.
This is the equivalent to what they did to 2009 Demon's Souls with the remake:
This is the equivalent to what they did to 2009 Demon's Souls with the remake:
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bundylove
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Never seen this much bullshit written at once.
I am looking forward to play this but it hurts my eyes cuz of sounds hurting my ears ahhahaha
Cant remember if i played dark souls or demon souls forst but demon souls was an eye opening experience lol so which on is it ??
It makes me sad that i cant continue playing cuz of soundtrack changes hahahaha.
Bro. These treads should be ban worthy
simpatico
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Fully agree OP. The porting studio either thought they knew better than From, or they just straight up did not understand the material Personally I can't figure out which would be more offensive. In either case, artistically it's a pile of shit. Puddle bros love it though, because 'dem puddles' do look really good. Double edged sword of these modern engines. It's easy to get wooed by just the lighting and not even notice that the human art being lit in garbo.
Porting a From game is a tall order. This is clearly not how you do it.
Porting a From game is a tall order. This is clearly not how you do it.
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R6Rider
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I don't know why you keep calling it a port, when it's not.
simpatico
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Agreed. Bad choice of word on my part. I wish it was a port. I'd much rather have the original PS3 version with an unlocked framerate and resolution settings.
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bundylove
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What????
None of you played anything man.
The base ps5 runs flawless 60fps at 1440p with excelent IQ. Till this day one of the bes tlooking games on ps5. Those true 4k textures are mind blowing.
Pop in the ps3 versiin and play it side by side. Those framerates those hitches holy shit. Loading times? No thanks.
The loading times alone make this game such pleasure to play. I can switch worlds on the fly. I can die with ease as i get back into the game in a blink of an eye.
Gameplay is way more fluid and way more fun. Almost too easy.
I still have the ps3 version and yes i went back to compare. You would never touch that version ever again if you would play the remake.
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Soodanim
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Told you before Miku, RE4Re is AcKtually really, really good, you just to play it with an open mind and not with a "this ain't the RE4 that I knew and loved " - but even then, trust me brother when I say that the game is INCREDIBLY faithful to the OG RE4 both atmosphere - but more importantly - gameplay wise, it's just that you have to give it 1 hour for it to "click" when it comes to the new movement/physics etc
I'd like to weigh in on 4R in Miku's place for now as according to Steam I've played for 120 hours. This includes Mercs and Separate Ways, of course.
I agree that the game is faithful to the atmosphere, but the tone is way off. 4 doesn't take itself seriously, but 4R absolutely does. But that's not my issue with 4R. I'm fine with that, it does its own thing.
Gameplay is where they made the worst changes. The basic movement is unresponsive and you never really feel like you're in control like the original despite the original's tank controls. And when you aim you lack the snappiness as well as any ability to land a shot. This government agent can't aim to save his life. Not that it matters, because enemies don't flinch even when you headshot them. We're talking base level gameplay elements that they completely rewrote to the game's detriment. I got wombo combo'd to death far more times in 4R on Normal than I did in 4 across any difficulty or mode from its original GC release across 4 different platforms. The new movement/physics are shit, basically. It's 2R/3R but the enemies are far more agile than before and you're not, which broke the balance. You get a knife to deflect but of course that's a limited option. These gameplay issues are fundamental things that you can pick up from the demo and I do recommend thinking about addressing if you're on PC, Miku.
So why did I play for 120 hours? The vast majority of my gameplay is after I installed a mod to stop the game zooming in the FOV when aiming. That alone was a game changer for me. That was the moment where something clicked for me, because what Capcom broke was now fixed. It didn't fix everything, but it made a huge difference to me.
Obviously the game is a good time overall, because I got my money's worth and then some. It made far less mistakes than 3R did by a country mile. Ashley is far better in the remake. The Gold edition for $20 will be a fantastic deal and I encourage it. Mercenaries goes in enough of a different direction that I can appreciate it without comparing it to the original in the same way I do with the base game, and it's a great time. Shame they didn't add more characters. Separate Ways is excellent fun and fills in the large holes the base game left.
But 4 > 4R every day of the week and that's before 4 HD makes everything better.
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Punished Miku
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You're confirming a lot of my impressions from the demo. I'll still pick it up though. Informative post.
simpatico
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PS3 version cleans up well when rendered in 4k on the emulators. Really hasn't aged any worse than Dark Souls. The puddles are nice but not worth trading the entire mood of the game.
bundylove
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Compared to the remake? Not at all
kingwingin
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Other than the body type A and B bullshit. I thought it was a perfect remake!
Black_Mamba
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It's possible to argue that the music or ambient sound details are better in the original, but it seems like no one is mentioning how exceptional the audio is in the remake. DS Remake is the most next-gen PS5 game in terms of sound effects and 3D audio. And it also perfectly matches the DualSense vibrations.
ShadyAcshuns
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You're "pretty sure" your opinion is objective fact, and that the other dude hates women because he doesn't like to play them in games.
darrylgorn
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OP, you should've waited for the game to be ported to PC before making this thread, so that the same people would agree with you.