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Loool Richard that moron says he wasn’t happy with the stream, mentioned it was poor 1080p 30FPS stream when 4K is available, my mans been living under a rock for the last few months, YouTube have restricted bandwidth along with many other social media sites due to the lockdown.

He mentions in his article MS have been talking about 60FPS and 120FPS (yet we saw no games in their reveal running at those frames) and That all of Sony’s showing were somewhat lacklustre at 30FPS.

The guy is pretty good at hiding his bias but after reading his article, yikes.

I think there's more bias in the reading than there is in the writing. He says positive things about all consoles and he also says negative things about all consoles. That's pretty much the definition of unbiased. What some people seem to want is for a completely pro-Sony take on every issue.

Criticising MS = Perfect.
Criticising Sony = Appalling bias.

 

[Shivvy24]

I wonder if it will have performance mode for 60fps with variable res

 

[Trueblakjedi]

I really dont think X series X will hit 60 FPS in a game that PS5 can only do 30 all else being equal. The systems are too close in power for that kind of result.

No they aren't

 

[Trueblakjedi]

Has he shown the same concern about Microsoft and why they haven’t announced their price yet?

Ms' show is in July.

 

[Craig of War]

Off-topic: What is the guys name or his videos called again? I've been trying to find those videos on YouTube for years now but I can never find it.

Chad Warden is his name

 

[DeepEnigma]

Ms' show is in July.

And Sony has yet to do their teardown, etc..

It’s a lame complaint. He also knows why both are holding off, he is playing bias contrarian about this.

Prices will be given when release date and launch lineups are shown.

 

[Psykodad]

So the amount of 30fps games is no longer a problem?
If so many games are only targeting 30fps this early on, as graphical quality increases throughout the generation, 30fps is going to be everywhere.
I expected better to be honest.

Honestly, I don't know why people still expect 60fps to be the norm suddenly.

On consoles, 30fps is the norm.

 

[Pandor]

I really dont think X series X will hit 60 FPS in a game that PS5 can only do 30 all else being equal. The systems are too close in power for that kind of result.

Honestly, I don't know why people still expect 60fps to be the norm suddenly.

On consoles, 30fps is the norm.

It depends. If there really is no VRS support for PS5 then it actually can happen that a game with performance mode could be 60fps with VRS on. For example, on PC they could get a 21% FPS boost. And this is just the beginning.
But we will see as soon as the games launch.

This crushed the PS4 reveal. I dont think it was even close.

Ratchet >>>>>knack
Horizon 2 >>>> KZSF
GT7 >>> Drive Club
Returnal >> resogun
Spiderman >> Infamous
Demon Souls = Bloodborn
Sackboy/LBP >>>>>>.....
Destruction Allstars >>>>>>.....
All games minor filler >>>>>>>> PR speak

Problem is, the games shown at PS4 event, you are talking about, are mostly launch or launch window games.
But from the PS5, most games are YEARS away. They don’t even have a date yet. Not even a year or so. We only know about Spider-Man. But horizon 2? GT7? Could be 2022. who knows.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Xbox has a 20% TFLOPS advantage and 33% more compute units. So its a third more powerful in terms of RT hardware.

But oddly, except Minecraft (a switch game) running at 1080p30fps, we have yet to see any Xbox games with any kind of RT.

 

[TGO]

Yes, I know. That's awesome. But it doesn't make the stream "perfect".

The stream couldn't even hold 1080p and wanted 4k@60fps

 

[Xplainin]

Honestly, I don't know why people still expect 60fps to be the norm suddenly.

On consoles, 30fps is the norm.

We now have CPUs with 4 x the power, of the Xbox One X, which could manage 30fps, and even 60fps on full 4k images.
There is an expectation that this should be the case.

 

[Psykodad]

We now have CPUs with 4 x the power, of the Xbox One X, which could manage 30fps, and even 60fps on full 4k images.
There is an expectation that this should be the case.

Ofcourse they can. PS4 could as well.
But it's up to the developers decide and since 30fosis perfectly fine for gaming, they'll most likely focus on pushing everything else.

This has been common knowledge since forever.

Edit: Unless you want to go by Greenberg "all games will run @60fps on XSX" right before AC Valhalla came in @30fps.

 

[John Mullins]

Wait a minute............. are games still going to be 30fps??

 

[geordiemp]

Ofcourse they can. PS4 could as well.
But it's up to the developers decide and since 30fosis perfectly fine for gaming, they'll most likely focus on pushing everything else.

This has been common knowledge since forever.

Edit: Unless you want to go by Greenberg "all games will run @60fps on XSX" right before AC Valhalla came in @30fps.

Jeesh, Most first party last gen from Sony had a graphics and performance mode. I think Bluepoint already said this will be the case for demons souls, you can choose 30 or 60.. I would prefer 60 less RT and 1600/1800p60 but its nice to have a choice.

So, sony chose the native 4K30 mode with ray tracing on some titles for the show, they showed 4k60 with dynamic temporal upscaling on others. from around 1600-1800p60

Choice is good, MS will do the same. Native 4K60 with ray tracing would take DOUBLE the TF. Not happening on either console except car racing games.

 

[SaucyJack]

Only Spiderman is a launch game, from what i understand.

Only Spider-Man is confirmed for launch at this time. Several more of those titles are obviously going to be in the launch window too, they just haven’t said for whatever reason.

 

[SaucyJack]

Wait a minute............. are games still going to be 30fps??

Yes, of course. Some games are, where developers want to prioritise visual effects over frame rate.

And this will happen in the next generation too, and the one after that.

Why? Because developers always need to make trade-offs and there are always bigger and better things that developers want to do with their games.

There were 60fps games on PS1, Tekken 3 to name one, just as other games chose to spend their processing budget elsewhere.

 

[massivekettle]

If a launch lineup event with GT7, Horizon2, Spider-Man, Ratchet and Clank, and fucking Demons Souls Remake finally! it's next gen being screwed then praise be the sun for this screwed next gen.

Edit: that's all first party games ffs, have people forgotten ps4 launch lineup!?

Except that the overwhelming majority of those games won’t be released at launch, otherwise they would have said so by now.

 

[Shmunter]

Lots of native 4K. Not sure how to take this, no upscaling hardware wasting resources? or upscaling hardware so good you can’t tell the difference?

The 30fps indicators are a major concern. How wrong I was expecting devs to be enlightened this gen when it comes to INTERACTIVE entertainment. Nope, 30fps as far as the eye can see. Still hoping deep down that performance/detail profiles will be a standard option.

We look at the RE8 footage and the framerate is crap, but REengine does 60 even this gen. So we can hold out hope the early footage does not represent the final performance.

 

[John Mullins]

Hmm I thought all half decent PCs could do 60fps easily with comparable graphics, no?

 

[JimiNutz]

I thought the games all looked awesome when watched outside of the stream on my 4K TV but despite owning a 4K TV I still wish they would have targeted 60fps over 4K resolution.

That being said both R&C and Spider-Man ran at 30fps on PS4 and both still felt incredibly good to play so it's not a huge issue for me.

 

[mcjmetroid]

If a launch lineup event with GT7, Horizon2, Spider-Man, Ratchet and Clank, and fucking Demons Souls Remake finally! it's next gen being screwed then praise be the sun for this screwed next gen.

Edit: that's all first party games ffs, have people forgotten ps4 launch lineup!?

If a lot of these games are gonna launch with the ps5 then why show very little gameplay footage? It's out in like 5 months or less.

I can see rachet and clank launching and the NBA one because of course it will but everything else is up in the air.

 

[Coolwhhip]

Console gamers are stuck in 30 fps hell forever.

 

[sendit]

Will be very disappointed if the majority of exclusives on PS5 are only 30FPS.

Expect to be disappointed.

Even more disappointed on why most people think 4K+60FPS while trying to push next gen graphics on these consoles will be the norm.

 

[Vasto]

People went on a frenzy when they found out Assassins Creed would be 30FPS.

 

[sendit]

Hmm I thought all half decent PCs could do 60fps easily with comparable graphics, no?

4K is a bandwidth killer. Even 2080 TIs get destroyed when increasing to this resolution on many current gen games.

 

[tryDEATH]

Series X is getting a 1080p 120FPS mode in DiRT 5, so I am expecting to see a 120FPS mode in Forza Motorsport 8 as well. The resolution is going to be the question best bet would be a up scaled 1800p, while running native 4K in 60FPS.

 

[SakkanartSilentJealousy]

Ratchet & Clank 4K native/30fps with RT
Godfall is Native 4K/60fps but RT seems absent now.
Horizon was Native 4K/30fps

Glad to know this, I was so wrong about native 4K and PS5 actually delivered.

 

[thelastword]

Loool Richard that moron says he wasn’t happy with the stream, mentioned it was poor 1080p 30FPS stream when 4K is available, my mans been living under a rock for the last few months, YouTube have restricted bandwidth along with many other social media sites due to the lockdown.

He mentions in his article MS have been talking about 60FPS and 120FPS (yet we saw no games in their reveal running at those frames) and That all of Sony’s showing were somewhat lacklustre at 30FPS.

The guy is pretty good at hiding his bias but after reading his article, yikes.

Yeah tbh, Richard actually looks a bit unhinged in that video. He is so reactive and a bit of a Debbie Downer in that video. It was mostly DarkManX and the Dictator discussing in detail and he basically quipped in to mutter the same complaints over and over, not even discussing the games as such.....So in the video, he usually comes in and says; "Why show this game here, show the nextgen improvements or say what the next gen improvements are, 1080p 30fps is bad, I can't understand why they would start with GTA ".....

Pretty much all decisions Sony made here are questioned, he looks annoyed, but I don't think it's foe the reasons he stated. I have my suspicions, pretty clear tbh......And speaking of GTA, not starting with GTA? That game is still hitting number 1 and top 5 worldwide easily even with new titles launching. An absolute monster and behemoth of sales in gaming and they should not start with it? How did GTA do in this month's NPD, I'm sure it's up there. Again, clueless...I think his emotions was way too obvious in that video...

 

[geordiemp]

Series X is getting a 1080p 120FPS mode in DiRT 5, so I am expecting to see a 120FPS mode in Forza Motorsport 8 as well. The resolution is going to be the question best bet would be a up scaled 1800p, while running native 4K in 60FPS.

All racing games will be resolution and frame rate >>>>> standard games like every gen. Water is wet.

 

[cragarmi]

not a single game you mentioned is announced for launch.

even Spiderman only got a vague holiday 2020 (or was it fall?)... and that's basically a stand alone add-on

my bet is on launch they'll have that Sackboy game and Playroom, with Spider-Man coming a few weeks after launch

It's likely that they simply do not know which games are going to hit launch at this point, partly due to covid-19, partly due to being likely 5-6 months from launch. Sony have been reluctant to give dates or even target season until they are certain, for at least the last few years. They know Spiderman MM will hit launch as it is a smaller concern, and saying holiday doesn't mean launch is just being pedantic as we know the console launches this holiday. But given that what we were shown was mostly in game, and not vertical slice, I'm confident all the 1st party shown will come within the first 12 months. Sony have also been criticized in the past for showing games too far out, so I don't see them showing anything super early this time around, of course this could change if they need to 'react' to anything MS shows in July.

 

[tryDEATH]

All racing games will be resolution and frame rate >>>>> standard games like every gen. Water is wet.

Gears ran at 4K60FPS just like Forza Motorsport 7 so there are games that are capable of matching top tier racing games in resolution and frame rate.

 

[geordiemp]

Gears ran at 4K60FPS just like Forza Motorsport 7 so there are games that are capable of matching top tier racing games in resolution and frame rate.

I am sure most last gen games will run at 4K60 on both, the point is ?

 

[Thirty7ven]

No they aren't

Do a ban bet then. If multiplats don't run at 60 fps on Xbox against 30 fps on Playstation, you fuck off forever.

Until then stop trying to create objective reality by typing letters on a keyboard.

Gears ran at 4K60FPS just like Forza Motorsport 7 so there are games that are capable of matching top tier racing games in resolution and frame rate.

Gears 5 didn't run at 4k60 FPS on XSX. And the Xbox One version.... well, not even 1080p, or 60 FPS. You know the Xbox version? The console 95% of Xbox owners have?

 

[Evilms]

PS5 :

■Godfall : native 4K / 60fps.
■Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart : native 4K / 30fps + RT.
■Horizon II Forbidden West : native 4K / 30fps.
■Demon's Souls Remake : native 4K.
■Gran Turismo 7 : native 4K / 60fps + RT.
■Kena Bridge Of Spirits : native 4K.
■Astro's Playroom : dynamic 4K / 60fps.
■Sackboy A Big Adventure : dynamic 4K / 60fps.
■Little Devil Inside : native 4K.
■Resident Evil 8 Village : native 4K / 30fps.
■Pragmata : native 4K.
■Returnal : native 4K.
■Stray : native 4K + RT.
■Destruction All-Stars : dynamic 4K.
■Deathloop : native 4K / 60fps.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Seems like native 4K is a thing simply on the basis that these are current gen tech being pushed.

Stuff like virtualized geometry will come up later.

 

[tryDEATH]

I am sure most last gen games will run at 4K60 on both, the point is ?

No point, I am is just responding to your post that racing games aren't going to always have superior resolution and frame rate as you stated and there could be parity as was the case with Gears and FM7.

If a racing game on next gen can run at 120FPS we might get a AAA game that runs 120FPS as well. People shouldn't get too down about frame rate now at the begging of next gen thinking that we won't transition to a 60FPS standard.

 

[Windle Poons]

One point they raised which I never considered, buy the digital only version and you are losing Blu-Ray movie playback and crucially, if we get it, back compatibility with previous PS gens.

Hmmm.

What's the betting, for the latter, Sony will sell them to you again digitally?

 

[thelastword]

I am sure most last gen games will run at 4K60 on both, the point is ?

I'm pretty sure some of these current gen games can run 8k 60fps or 4k 120fps on next gen, especially the games which were already at 4k, it's a no-brainer...

 

[Bogroll]

Do a ban bet then. If multiplats don't run at 60 fps on Xbox against 30 fps on Playstation, you fuck off forever.

Until then stop trying to create objective reality by typing letters on a keyboard.




Gears 5 didn't run at 4k60 FPS on XSX. And the Xbox One version.... well, not even 1080p, or 60 FPS. You know the Xbox version? The console 95% of Xbox owners have?

Gears 4 and 5 60fps multiplayer on standard.

I don't get your point that 5 % of the user base is XBX, even if there was only 5 units sold, if it did 4k 60 it does it. Even though i know Gears 5 runs 1440p - 4k on XBX.

 

[Thirty7ven]

What's the betting, for the latter, Sony will sell them to you again digitally?

Sorry is the implication here that PS4 digital games won't work on PS5?

I don't get your point that 5 % of the user base is XBX, even if there was only 5 units sold, if it did 4k 60 it does it. Even though i know Gears 5 runs 1440p - 4k on XBX.

Point being that it's disingenuous to say Gears 5 is 4k60 FPS, when it wasn't, and to top it was 60 FPS on a midgen refresh that had like 5X the GPU power of the base platform. And that's not the game 95%(or more) of the Xbox user base played (I'm talking more about the framerate).

It's like saying Assassins Creed Odyssey ran at 60 FPS. Yeah on the right PC, at the right settings.

Gears of War 4 was running at 30 FPS, SP and Horde, on Xbox One while Forza 6 was 60 FPS right?

But any game can run at 60 FPS, so as long as framerate is a priority over visual fidelity.

 

[thelastword]

PS5 :

■Godfall : native 4K / 60fps.
■Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart : native 4K / 30fps + RT.
■Horizon II Forbidden West : native 4K / 30fps.
■Demon's Souls Remake : native 4K.
■Gran Turismo 7 : native 4K / 60fps + RT.
■Kena Bridge Of Spirits : native 4K.
■Astro's Playroom : dynamic 4K / 60fps.
■Sackboy A Big Adventure : dynamic 4K / 60fps.
■Little Devil Inside : native 4K.
■Resident Evil 8 Village : native 4K / 30fps.
■Pragmata : native 4K.
■Returnal : native 4K.
■Stray : native 4K + RT.
■Destruction All-Stars : dynamic 4K.
■Deathloop : native 4K / 60fps.

So many of these games are native 4k as that will be the normal resolution for most next gen PS5 titles. Most of these games are also work in progress, so much of the optimization is going to be done closer to launch, which is months away. RE 8 will not be a 30fps title. Also some people were doubting RT, they felt the consoles would hardly be able to do RT at 1080p at 30fps because Turing, they are doing RT at 4K on PS5. People are complaining that GT still has some GTS placeholder assets, but are not commenting that it runs at an insanely high framerate with RT on and with dynamic time of day, cloud system, shadows and reflections...It's still work in progress though and I think Kaz hinted that he might offer a high framerate mode going by an interview last year, I think GTS will have a 120fps mode.

 

[Windle Poons]

Sorry is the implication here that PS4 digital games won't work on PS5?

No. Have a look at what I was quoting rather than my reply.

More the ability (perhaps) of being able to play PS1 / PS2 / PS3 games.

 

[Bogroll]

Sorry is the implication here that PS4 digital games won't work on PS5?



Point being that it's disingenuous to say Gears 5 is 4k60 FPS, when it wasn't, and to top it was 60 FPS on a midgen refresh that had like 5X the GPU power of the base platform. And that's not the game 95%(or more) of the Xbox user base played (I'm talking more about the framerate).

It's like saying Assassins Creed Odyssey ran at 60 FPS. Yeah on the right PC, at the right settings.

Gears of War 4 was running at 30 FPS, SP and Horde, on Xbox One while Forza 6 was 60 FPS right?

But any game can run at 60 FPS, so as long as framerate is a priority over visual fidelity.

Again so what if only 5% of the base played it at 60fps. It does it. End of.

 

[Shin]

Watching now, good start

 

[scalman]

hope that 4k wont take away real step to next gen, ok ray tracing will be one thing but we need much more to be like wowed. geometry destruction, new life like AI , etc
like with GT7 i will love it but we need 4k and as much as we could fps.
Me: i just wanted falling of tires , damages, parts braking inside cars.. so maybe on PS6 ?

 

[sinnergy]

But oddly, except Minecraft (a switch game) running at 1080p30fps, we have yet to see any Xbox games with any kind of RT.

Path tracing , which is even more compute heavy , and the most expensive RTX card also has difficulty running .

 

[FZW]

Path tracing , which is even more compute heavy , and the most expensive RTX card also has difficulty running .

We have yet to see any PS5 games with full path tracing btw

 

[mckmas8808]

Wait a minute............. are games still going to be 30fps??

THEY ALWAYS WILL BE!!!! FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS THEY WILL BE!!!!

 

[skneogaf]

I'm pretty sure the guys at digital foundry said they believed that set resolution won't be a set thing anymore in console world anyway.

It hasn't been on a high percentage on this generation as we got further into the generation anyway.

 

[martino]

Honestly, I don't know why people still expect 60fps to be the norm suddenly.

On consoles, 30fps is the norm.

this gen games will often be gpu bound more than cpu we can hope they will offer resolution choice to aim 60 fps or 30 fps when possible
with also VRR