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Elon Musk: "Having pronouns in a fantasy video game is totally unacceptable". "Stop killing art with woke propaganda"

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He’s not wrong
Unfortunately the woke element, dei, non-binary, pretend-trans

within the industry and these men in dresses with blue hair do not pass the smell test) have infiltrated Silicon Valley, game dev studios and what’s left of the flimsy thing they call the gaming press
And yes I say pretend trans, I bet none of them have had the chop and I’ve yet yet to see a convincing transsexual within the games industry (speaking as someone who has quite a few transsexual friends who transitioned before most of these babies were out of school)
the dark web hacking community on the other hand I’ve come across quite a few
But my point is that we are going to keep seeing this stuffed down our throats probably more than any other form of entertainment for a while and we have to keep voting with our wallets
 
zokie

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Dragons Den Television GIF by CBC

need money to pay the CEO , the development staff and more
Forced DEI games is not a profit maker , in the past yes but not anymore
 
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Hohenheim

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EviLore said:
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You said:

Someone on the internet just claimed that Elon Musk "produces fucking nothing." Can you provide a full rebuttal, if you believe the claim to be false.

ChatGPT said:​


The claim that Elon Musk "produces nothing" is inaccurate and dismissive of his contributions to industries like automotive, space exploration, energy, and technology. Here is a detailed rebuttal highlighting his tangible impact:

1. Tesla, Inc.​

  • Core Contributions:
    • Tesla has revolutionized the electric vehicle (EV) market, shifting global attention to sustainable transportation.
    • Under Musk’s leadership, Tesla produces millions of vehicles annually, including the Model S, Model 3, Model X, and Model Y, as well as energy products like the Powerwall and solar panels.
    • Tesla's Gigafactories are physical facilities that manufacture batteries and EVs on a massive scale.
  • Impact:
    • Tesla's innovations in battery technology, charging infrastructure, and vehicle design have set benchmarks for the automotive industry.
    • The company's production numbers and profitability demonstrate its tangible output.

2. SpaceX​

  • Core Contributions:
    • SpaceX manufactures reusable rockets like the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy, the Dragon spacecraft, and the Starship system.
    • SpaceX has transported astronauts to the International Space Station (ISS) and launched thousands of Starlink satellites.
  • Impact:
    • The company’s reusable rocket technology has significantly reduced the cost of space travel.
    • Starlink, a satellite internet service, provides high-speed connectivity to underserved regions globally.

3. The Boring Company​

  • Core Contributions:
    • The Boring Company designs and constructs underground tunnels for transportation solutions, such as the Las Vegas Loop.
    • It also produces consumer goods like the flamethrower that went viral in 2018.
  • Impact:
    • The company aims to solve urban congestion through innovative tunneling technology.

4. Neuralink​

  • Core Contributions:
    • Neuralink is developing brain-machine interfaces to help people with disabilities and, eventually, enhance human cognitive abilities.
  • Impact:
    • Though in its early stages, Neuralink has already demonstrated technology with potential applications in medicine and beyond.

5. OpenAI and AI Development​

  • While Musk is no longer directly involved with OpenAI, he co-founded the organization and contributed to advancing public awareness and research in artificial intelligence.

6. Advocacy for Renewable Energy and Sustainability​

  • Musk has been a vocal advocate for renewable energy, pushing industries and governments toward adopting sustainable technologies.
  • The Tesla Solar Roof and energy storage solutions are physical products that contribute to reducing reliance on fossil fuels.

Counter to "Produces Nothing"​

  • Physical Production: Musk’s companies produce millions of cars, rockets, satellites, batteries, and more. These are measurable, tangible outputs.
  • Economic Contributions: His ventures employ tens of thousands of people globally and contribute significantly to their respective industries.
  • Long-Term Vision: Musk's projects aim to address significant global challenges, including climate change, space colonization, and sustainable energy, all of which involve the production of cutting-edge technologies.
While criticisms of Musk’s management style or business practices are valid topics for debate, claiming he “produces nothing” dismisses the immense material contributions and transformative impact of his ventures.
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The AI forgot to mention the fact that on top of all this, he's the worlds best Diablo 4 player!
 
Nickolaidas

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Rudius said:
Concord would not have failed that hard if it wasn't woke. I it would still fail, but would not be the worst of all time.
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Wokeness hurts sales, but it doesn't hurt them as much as incompetent developers do.

Baldur's Gate 3 is an amazing game overall, to the point that wokeness wasn't able to hurt its sales to a large degree.
 
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Kacho said:
People acting like it’s no big deal as if it’s some organic inclusion are fucking hilarious. Shut the fuck up lol
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Yeah and if you say anything at all about something being woke your labeled a grifter/incel/chud/whatever. It's fucking hilarious because the folks masquerading as DEI consultants and charging companies those consulting fees are the literal textbook definition of grifters. You can't make this up.

Michael Jordan Lol GIF
 
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Trekinspace88 said:
So Elon Musk doesn't want pronouns in games now? So the only way to make Elon happy is to make all games have what body type A and body type B instead?

So Elon has officially joined the cancel culture team lol. Glad i abandoned twitter now.
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If you write in Twitter in the same way you write here, surely people from Twitter is happy you are not there anymore.
 
DenchDeckard

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Grummz is a mess.

Also, me trying to think deeply on if a fantasy world could have pro nouns is messing with my head.

I imagine that in our reality a thousand yeara ago when people fought with swords and axes they didn't have time to worry about what their feelings were and just accepted that there were men and women.

On the other side.....dragons.
 
CompleteGlobalSaturation

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Mr Reasonable said:
I think that trans people do accept biological reality though. They say that their bodies are one sex or another but their gender doesn't fit with that.
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What if they think they are a cat?

DenchDeckard said:
Grummz is a mess.

Also, me trying to think deeply on if a fantasy world could have pro nouns is messing with my head.

I imagine that in our reality a thousand yeara ago when people fought with swords and axes they didn't have time to worry about what their feelings were and just accepted that there were men and women.

On the other side.....dragons.
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Clearly, we must inject modern day social contagions into every piece of art and literature, or else!
 
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Lambogenie

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FunkMiller said:
I'll take any bullshit from the west over a bunch of backwards, bigoted cunts who like to chop up journalists (y)
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Generalising a whole nation for their leaders dumb decisions. Dumb. No idea where you're from but could easily make just as dumb remarks.

StreetsofBeige said:
Being classified male or female is as simple as being born with a sausage or a peach. That's really it.

If someone wants to identify as male, female, or an "it" bar stool, go ahead. but born and bred you're male or female, with the 1/100000 chance you got born with both organs and are a hermaphrodite. Ok fine, for those handful of hermies go ahead and complain to every person, application form and driver's license department you cant decide which to choose.

But like anything in life, majority rules and you got to go with the flow. And that means 99% of the time you choose male or female.

It's really no different than having an ethnic background. Whether someone is a pasty whitey from Northern Europe, or a darky darko from African or India you have an ethnic racial background (I'm not talking about location of birth country citizenship). A blonde guy with Swedish roots doesn't have an Indian background, and vice versa. Its that simple.

Grow up and dont make up self serving rules.
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Well, you might wanna look at ethnic dysphoria now too...
 
thefool

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SportsFan581 said:
Even as a liberal myself, I get that there are some things here that are up for debate. The MTF participants in women's contact sports, or maybe some concern about curriculum if parents feel like it could confuse young children, etc. I don't see how the mere accommodation for someone with gender dysphoria in a video game is that big an issue, just use the typical pronouns assigned to the gender of the character you created and move on. Obviously, most people do not experience gender dysphoria, I don't see why we need to demonize the people that do. Let them live their lives in the best way they can while you do the same, it literally doesn't effect you.
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You minimize the impact of the usage of such nomenclature while at the same time implying its important for "them live their lives in the best way they can". Contradictory, either it matters or not.
 
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Sophist said:
I am not convinced that concord, dragon age, ... have failed because of wokism.
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Yes they failed because of it. Because wokism neutered the creativity of the developers either forced by DEI policies, political correctness or by their own will. just look how bland the latest Jaguar ad is. Mediocrity is the new goal for anything woke.
 
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Mr Reasonable

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FunkMiller said:
Good grief. If the trans lobby weren’t obsessed with trying to say sex isn’t binary, there would be far less of an issue. Stop ignoring that very basic fact.
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Good grief, you've done it again! 😂

Please don't quote me if your reply doesn't actually take into account what I've actually typed! 😂
 
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Physiognomonics said:
Yes they failed because of it. Because wokism neutered the creativity of the developers either forced by DEI policies, political correctness or by their own will. just look how bland the latest Jaguar ad is. Mediocrity is the new goal for anything woke.
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It clearly had an impact - I bought Inquisition and enjoyed it - I likely would have bought Veilguard, but after Outlaws I held off on being Day 1 - then I saw that Barve video lunacy and what the game director said about the series (apparently ‘inherently queer’ in his/her eyes).

Fuck that.
 
Emedan

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Nickolaidas said:
Wokeness hurts sales, but it doesn't hurt them as much as incompetent developers do.

Baldur's Gate 3 is an amazing game overall, to the point that wokeness wasn't able to hurt its sales to a large degree.
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Wokeness leads to incompetent developers cause DEI doesn't hire based on meritocracy. The people who push these agendas in game development are in fact incompetent, it shows itself in the general decrease in quality games coming out, cause even though it might not be pushed in the game itself DEI lead to inferior developers being hired leading to shitty games. It's an absolute cancer that needs to die not only in game development but in all business and governing.
 
PeteBull

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Randall365 said:
It clearly had an impact - I bought Inquisition and enjoyed it - I likely would have bought Veilguard, but after Outlaws I held off on being Day 1 - then I saw that Barve video lunacy and what the game director said about the series (apparently ‘inherently queer’ in his/her eyes).

Fuck that.
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Yup, im launch buyer of DA:I and i actually enjoyed whole 120h of that game, even now if some1 likes western rpg genre, especially on a decent rig(midrange by todays standards) game is still 7 or even 8/10 so solid af, i bought my copy on ps4 tho, didnt have good pc back then.

It still looks pretty and not old/offputing at all actually.



DA:V on the other hand got no launch sale from me, it wont get even bargain bin major discounted sale, coz its simply bad game on top of being woke af, gotta vote with my wallet like the rest of us if we ever wanna see the change.
There is a reason DA:V doesnt even get denuvo on pc(which costs 25kusd/month, official info) for the simple reason there is no1 who wanna even pirate that shit, yup, its so offputing :)
 
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PeteBull

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WhamBamThankYouMaam said:
”Ok, you are trans. I can’t say I really understand, but I love you as my child and I will try to support you.”

There, Elon, I fixed your life for you.
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Bro, he had 12 kids already, 1 died so 11 official ones(and likely many more that are kept on the down low), he has that fk u money, he can have 50 more or w/e number of kids he likes, and give them all lavish lifestyle(again if he wants, i remember reading one time he had disagreement with one of his baby mama's and took court to a state where child support isnt based on wealth, and only had to give her some pocket change money ;p).

There is this thing, and its deeply rooted in all women, called hypergamy, it means they wanna secure best possible mate even if it means they have to share that top G with other women.
Guess who is at the top of the food chain , and u think he has any bitch trying to withold sex for compliance like avg husband has on a daily basis ... ;)

https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...mothers-including-report-101730249079268.html (info is legit, even in NY Times but behind account log in so posted link to different site).
 
hyperbertha

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Humdinger said:
I'm anti-woke but I wish people wouldn't leap to conclusions based on a single bit of data like he/him vs. male. Yeah, it's cringe, but "totally unacceptable"? Not to me. If the rest of the game is fine, I can overlook little progressivisms like that.

I would rather wait and see if there are other data to corroborate that the game is woke before making assumptions. To me, whether a game is woke depends mostly on dialog, characters, and story, not just on a label in a character menu.
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Where there is smoke there tends to be fair. And this is from obsidian who's known from some woke bullshit in their games.
 
Cyberpunkd

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zokie said:
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NBC probably did not think too much about the article because lol NBC, but I can immediately see a few counters to the 2% vs. 17% argument:

1. How is it counted? Per number of character or games?
2. What if the game doesn't have a human character? Does that still count?
3. What if it does have human character, do we keep 100:17 proportion ?
 
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Cyberpunkd said:
NBC probably did not think too much about the article because lol NBC, but I can immediately see a few counters to the 2% vs. 17% argument:

1. How is it counted? Per number of character or games?
2. What if the game doesn't have a human character? Does that still count?
3. What if it does have human character, do we keep 100:17 proportion ?
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Also, just because they are queer does not mean they want to play as a queer character (or even care if they play character that is queer or not)

But the majority of straight people would, I'd argue, prefer to play as a straight character (or not care either way)
 
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drotahorror said:
This stupid shit promotes mental illness. We are living in a world where mental illness is encouraged and accepted, no matter how detrimental.
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I always throw out the comparison to what if we treated schizofrenia like gender dysphoria. It would be dumb wouldnt it, dangerous for them and for society. People need to learn to accept themselves and thier struggles instead of pretending they dont have them. Hell accepting my OCD and acknowledging its existence is one of the only things thats helped me for the most part move past it and get better at dealing with it if it tries to become a problem. If I had pretended there was nothing off to work on or it was something to encourage or celebrate I would never have gotten to my, mostly, mentally stable self today. Getting caught in a anxious mental thought loop of irrational worry is no fun.
 
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On the face of it, pro nouns are not that bad, but I am just tired of playing along with it. I am tired of saying somebody who is fat is healthy. It's like telling somebody who is anorexic that they look good because you don't want to hurt their feelings but it's just false. I don't believe you can be non binary or trans in the same way I don't believe in God, yet I feel like I have to still go to church and pretend. I don't think it's good for a society for everyone to just pretend not to offend somebody. If anything it hurts non binary people etc the most because they think people deep down accept them when they don't.
 
Humdinger

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hyperbertha said:
Where there is smoke there tends to be fair. And this is from obsidian who's known from some woke bullshit in their games.
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Yeah, that may be the case. If so, I'll be disappointed. I am hoping for a good WRPG, and the recent previews have been encouraging. I'm trying to give the game the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

What matters most to me is whether the game is good. If we just have a little gender nonsense in the character menu but otherwise the game is fun, then a pronoun choice is not a big deal to me at all. I'd just pick he/him and move on. However, if gender ideology has infected the story, characters, or dialog, that's a very different scenario. Then I'll likely skip the game. But I haven't seen evidence of that yet.

As you say, pronouns could be an indication of deeper problems. I'm still in wait-and-see mode about that.
 
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Darkmakaimura said:
This is not about lgbtq. Have you been reading this thread at all? Have you even been paying any attention at all?
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Are you sure? Because of Elon is only talking about pronouns in video games, especially one's with fantastical settings then his complaints are more than stupid because you can literally be whatever if the game was designed that way.
 
Cyberpunkd

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midnightAI said:
Also, just because they are queer does not mean they want to play as a queer character (or even care if they play character that is queer or not)

But the majority of straight people would, I'd argue, prefer to play as a straight character (or not care either way)
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Reading briefly even the tweet is clearly says they are comparing the number of GAMES to the number of GAMERS, which is ridiculous. Apples to oranges much?
 
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Relevant. A game with pronouns being an incredible success.

www.neogaf.com

Game Dev - Sales-Age - Larian saw its 2023 overall revenue increased TWENTY TIMES from 2022, thanks to the runaway success of Baldur's Gate 3

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/baldurs-gate/after-losing-money-in-2022-larian-raked-in-a-whopping-usd260-million-profit-of-baldurs-bucks-in-2023/ The Irish Independent (users may encounter a paywall) has reported that Larian has posted a €249 million pre-tax profit for 2023⁠—that's almost $260...
www.neogaf.com www.neogaf.com
 
Bert Big Balls

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AltogetherAndrews said:
Trying to decide what should or should not be featured in fantasy is what should be considered truly unacceptable. What a bunch of wankers.

But I’m sure this rhetoric will be well received by some here. After all, attempts were made by the resident retards to haul shit at a game because, you know, women are supposedly too weak to wield a katana.
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haha see ya!
 
ChorizoPicozo

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adamsapple said:
Relevant. A game with pronouns being an incredible success.

www.neogaf.com

Game Dev - Sales-Age - Larian saw its 2023 overall revenue increased TWENTY TIMES from 2022, thanks to the runaway success of Baldur's Gate 3

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/baldurs-gate/after-losing-money-in-2022-larian-raked-in-a-whopping-usd260-million-profit-of-baldurs-bucks-in-2023/ The Irish Independent (users may encounter a paywall) has reported that Larian has posted a €249 million pre-tax profit for 2023⁠—that's almost $260...
www.neogaf.com www.neogaf.com
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so... are you saying that is was successful because they used pronouns? 🤭
 
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didn't realize that his comment were directly around Avowed..... that dame is so damn cooked. It's going to be interesting how MS's marketing (which we all know is very incompetent) it's going to deal with it
 
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