pr rog has always engaged the audience. i remember seeing some of his streams before he came to fgtv.
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Not everyone can do that stuff though. A lot of competitive gamers (especially top level players) are very elitist, or poorly spoken in general. People could improve during the process, but presentation and delivery is very important.
Yeah, Eduardo knows how to act on stream and how to sell himself. That's what every Hearthstone/LoL player does and look at them.
Ya, those 12 year olds feeding mid sure know how to sell it.
Parallax Scroll
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i haven't watched eduardo stream in a while. i'll check it out again.
Emperor Bohe
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I always troll pr rogs streams with troll ass xbox live messages and friend requests. if you've seen some of them (which usually conclude with him doing his hyena laugh), they were probably me haha.
I actually mod Dustloop (Aigis forum) and yeah, GG is super spotty and frankly just plain shit in some places. It was really bad before the NA rerelease(at least now you can dig around or find somebody relatively active), and the clean up effort since then has just been, well, yeah. Some stuff has gotten done, but we can only put in so much, hopefully other users step it up ;_; The BB and P4U sections are looking way healthier these days at least, at least those with an active mod or a couple of active players around. Gives me hope Xrd boards will be okay if people will use them and contribute. The anime community is weird, they only seem to care about twitter until they go do tournament shout outs or there's a new game.
Edit: Actually, looks like +R info is around and things are healthier in a lot of places. Haven't skipped around the GG forums lately until this prompted me to do so. It's just shit in spots where we're missing users and mods contributing, and GG went neglected forever.
There is hope. He still looks rough but at least he kills you. ICBM still sucks
It's perfect for Europe, though: it airs at 9.30pm in here.
Aiming for America's evening wouldn't automatically make their viewers number go up by a large margin, because they would lose all those europeans (like me) currently watching, which probably makes up for a majority of those 4k viewers...
And yeah, PR Rogs streams are godlike, *AND* at a time were us europeans can watch a good part of them (he usually starts at 11pm for us).
But I think losing European viewers (like me) is still marginally better than losing American viewers. IVGC only had around 2k viewers at most even though SCR wasn't live. The reason why Hearthstone Fight Night is able to get 20k+ viewers every episode is only because it's a much more popular game globally. You'll maintain that viewership figure no matter what time it's shown live.
Kontergurke
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i think he was referring to gootecks and mike ross show, not fight night...
ya, gootecks and mike ross show. I'll check those links out anyway tho.
Cosmo Clock 21
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The Hearthstone install base is also like a brazillion times larger than the one for SF, so by that metric the program was actually a success?
Yeah, well, it was Saturday and Sunday afternoon, not the best time at all, even for Europe! ^^
I agree that they would have better numbers if they got closer to America's evening time, but I don't really think it would be THAT much bigger.
I don't disagree with any of this, I'll just say that some people (myself included) like to have the super waiting; there's a larger risk/reward here of course, given that you might be limiting options in situations in favor of something that might not be beneficial in the future.
Daigo, is a good example of this, you might see him use one EX move in the first round, if at all; he usually has a full super stocked at the end of the first round, except on very rare occasions.
If it's obvious I can build that super in the first round, I'm going for it. Usually you can land it in the second round and it helps lock the W.
But again, it's absolutely a matter of different playstyles.
You're not factoring in food, and possibly any other things outside of the tournament you want to do. The former is essential, the latter is not. Budget your food costs in.
Yeah, back in vanilla, I didn't bother learning it until right before Evo 2009. It's a testament to the game really, as it had enough there for people familiar with SF2 to jump in and be good, while also providing a much deeper game once you learn to utilize FADC effectively.
So I can see how people's opinions on what should be an objective study change on a daily basis? No thank you.
That's not directed at you. Just hate measuring things with feelings when what you really want to measure is anything but.
I can't say it enough, how people feel characters match up means nothing. It comes down to the toolset that the character has vs. the toolset the other character has.
But, they're obsessed with the clickbait, so whatever.
Watching Big Band come in on assist is crazy. He's just so huge. and assists are generally quick in-and-out things. It's an interesting paradox.
Where was he saying this? I'd be interested in engaging in that conversation.
I like watching Fight Night, but I don't specially want it or need it to stay for seasons after seasons.
They have some awesome players, and thus some awesome sets are being played in it, but the format is... kinda weird. I still don't understand shit about who can win what and when, and the wheel thing and jokers and whatnots all seem so random that I don't even care to try to understand it. For me, I take it as "oh cool, one nice set to watch this evening" and that's it, and I don't feel like there is much more at play for the players. There's no tension, no title to fetch, and only getting one match a day is way less hype inducing than getting to watch a whole tournament.
To me, it's a glorified casual set, with lots of random shits happening outside of it.
They have some awesome players, and thus some awesome sets are being played in it, but the format is... kinda weird. I still don't understand shit about who can win what and when, and the wheel thing and jokers and whatnots all seem so random that I don't even care to try to understand it. For me, I take it as "oh cool, one nice set to watch this evening" and that's it, and I don't feel like there is much more at play for the players. There's no tension, no title to fetch, and only getting one match a day is way less hype inducing than getting to watch a whole tournament.
To me, it's a glorified casual set, with lots of random shits happening outside of it.
its funny to see a page where people shit on potemkin and then the next page is potemkin highlights/ FAB runnning through teams
I will say this about OBS...I think a show like this has a place in the community. OBS is an open mic type of deal which carries on the traditions of past shows like alpha-ism and such. its important that (the right)people have a chance to be heard.
that said, the people in charge of the show have ZERO credibility and at a given moment are probably going ham about a topic that they actually have very little factual knowledge on. instead of discussion we get rumor mill grinding/telephone game type antics on a variety of topics. worst of all...the shows end up being 4+ hrs long and are just a chore to listen to. bunkei at times would have credibility issues but there were enough people on the show on the regular to correct him if he was wrong or to call someone out on misinformation, etc. but with OBS no one is in there with a clear mind so it turns into something that is audibly repulsive. the pre-VxG shows and the "boycott EVO" and "the cannons are taking the breast cancer research money and pocketing it" were terrible sagas in this story and made a lot of people look REALLY SILLY...
something else to consider with open mic shows is that everyone deserves a voice, and a chance, but NOT everyone DESERVES to be heard.
if someone could give a cliffs notes of the show and note whether the OBS formula has been improved, it would be appreciated.
I will say this about OBS...I think a show like this has a place in the community. OBS is an open mic type of deal which carries on the traditions of past shows like alpha-ism and such. its important that (the right)people have a chance to be heard.
that said, the people in charge of the show have ZERO credibility and at a given moment are probably going ham about a topic that they actually have very little factual knowledge on. instead of discussion we get rumor mill grinding/telephone game type antics on a variety of topics. worst of all...the shows end up being 4+ hrs long and are just a chore to listen to. bunkei at times would have credibility issues but there were enough people on the show on the regular to correct him if he was wrong or to call someone out on misinformation, etc. but with OBS no one is in there with a clear mind so it turns into something that is audibly repulsive. the pre-VxG shows and the "boycott EVO" and "the cannons are taking the breast cancer research money and pocketing it" were terrible sagas in this story and made a lot of people look REALLY SILLY...
something else to consider with open mic shows is that everyone deserves a voice, and a chance, but NOT everyone DESERVES to be heard.
if someone could give a cliffs notes of the show and note whether the OBS formula has been improved, it would be appreciated.
Parallax Scroll
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On last night's OBS. And of course I mean Dan Chou not actual Winrich.
Oh, duh, forgot about that resemblance.
Yeah, I don't think it has passed 4k viewers yet, which is really weird, it is a good show and, most of all, with godlike players playing for big money. I don't know why people aren't watching it, maybe it's too early for some audiences?
"God's Beard!"
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Or maybe because the AE community is a fraction of the other games.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";103241900]Or maybe because the AE community is a fraction of the other games.[/QUOTE]
Not that I think it has a chance in hell of happening (because of licensing), but I'd love to see Marvel on Fight Night.
I'm willing to bet the views would be higher.
Not that I think it has a chance in hell of happening (because of licensing), but I'd love to see Marvel on Fight Night.
I'm willing to bet the views would be higher.
idk i think it's boring to watch. and I say this as a person who loves watching AE
It's worth watching for the production values primarily and not the matches.
As it's streamed mid-day too, yeah fuck that. Surprised they even get that many views.
Karsticles
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In DotA, there are 3 lanes that need to be controlled. Mid is the most crucial lane because it gains XP the fastest due to (typically) not being a shared lane. You usually place a strong solo character there. "Feeding" means getting killed repeatedly to give the other team XP. So, if you are feeding mid, you are powerleveling the opposing team's most powerful early solo character, which usually has disastrous long term effects.
Oh c'mon, first season ok, it wasn't that good, but the second one was great! Allioune picking Yang and Juri to counter-pick Cammy, and that last match agains Xian also, all great matches.
DryEyeRelief
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Even if that were so, it wouldn't be a significant enough difference that the game would avoid the chopping block. The FGC itself is a smaller audience.
Smooth Operator
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Yeah, season 2 is good (Alioune counter-picks, Alioune vs Xian) By the way i'd like them to stay at an european hour, you forgot how many US tournaments we have to watch during the night in Europe...
SloaneRisette
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Just get a group of mid-high tier players and it'll be interesting. Don't include a Justin or Champ that can just crush everyone.
Not sure if this was posted but Revival of Melee 7 hype trailer
It's this weekend and will feature M2K, Hungrybox, RaynEX, KirbyKaze, Jman, Hax, Zhu, and many more. Should be an amazing event (RoM6 sure as hell was!)
It's this weekend and will feature M2K, Hungrybox, RaynEX, KirbyKaze, Jman, Hax, Zhu, and many more. Should be an amazing event (RoM6 sure as hell was!)
Yeeeaaaaah I couldn't care less for production values. lol. did they ever fix the bizarre framerate
Rice-Eater
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Even if it does, it wouldn't be enough to make a difference though, the complaint will still be there. No fighting game is going to get 20k+ views during the afternoon on weekdays because no fighting game is that big.
We were all getting very excited about WNF last week when Wao, Michael Tan, and a ton of American killers were in town for SCR and it got 13k max(highest I saw). I think numbers like that is the best the FGC can do for now outside of EVO's and majors.
I hate to sound like a Japanophile, but the next best thing they could do to get viewers is get Daigo, Sako, or a few other big name Japanese players to face off against the best from other countries. That could probably get 10k but still not reach the 20k or so that other games reach.
SousedLouse
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I'll be honest - the only time I know Fight Night's even on is when you folks talk about it on GAF, and on the few instances when I've talked about it with friends, the only things they've seen about the show are the weird stuff around the matches, like the roaming dog, the showgirls and weird sound effects -- all the distracting or embarrassing stuff from Season 1, basically.
I agree with everyone who said that they should start advertising the show, and bump it down to a later time slot. But dropping the SF version of it would be easier, so that's probably what'll happen.
Now hold on folks, you might not be able to serve up loke-test-Ky levels of crow just yet. Pote might still suck!
I agree with everyone who said that they should start advertising the show, and bump it down to a later time slot. But dropping the SF version of it would be easier, so that's probably what'll happen.
Now hold on folks, you might not be able to serve up loke-test-Ky levels of crow just yet. Pote might still suck!
Yep.
The community *WAS* here, it's just that AE's community is not big like mobas' or Hearthstone's can be.
And I'm quite sure putting Marvel instead of AE at this time, they would get *less*. If they ever did a Marvel Fight Night, they would really need to air it for US time.
The community *WAS* here, it's just that AE's community is not big like mobas' or Hearthstone's can be.
And I'm quite sure putting Marvel instead of AE at this time, they would get *less*. If they ever did a Marvel Fight Night, they would really need to air it for US time.
I need more information regarding that quote. There's just no way they expected MOBA numbers from a FG out of the gate. I figured the entire point of Twitch's recent support of the FG community was/is to foster its potential growth to those levels (or something close). Looking at the average view count of a weekend major (about 20k) and expecting something around those levels or more at 3PM EST weekdays after only a few weeks would be daft as hell.
Parallax Scroll
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Dan said on the show last night that they're getting max of about 5k viewers and they want to be getting about double that.
Then they need to advertise and adjust their timeslot (as mentioned).
ipitydatfu
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GET OUT OF MY HEAD CHARLES
Parallax Scroll
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I got the impression that they're expecting FGC sites to advertise it for them.
SousedLouse
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As a diasporic fighting nut , I'm embarrassed at how many times I forget about Europe in discussions such as this. American news is warping my smooth, little brain! Maybe the current time slot is a compromise, then. I know some Euro fans have had to watch re-streams of Fight Night because Twitch acts up on them, maybe that's having an effect on the numbers.
They wanted 20k+? I wouldn't say that's impossible, but that'd take some rapid expansion.
What, like prize fights or something? I guess that could work, assuming that the non-sponsored players would put up with traveling.
People might tune in en masse if Fight Night had the reputation of being a big thing; right now, it comes off as a sideshow. It doesn't help that it juts out like a sore thumb because it's propped up with the same look as the Street Fighter IV UI, which (let's be honest) is a little tacky, what with the stock flames and the brushstrokes spread all over the place.
And maybe there really is a bit of resistance against the show in general.
Why do companies expect word-of-mouth for everything? Word-of-mouth is a phenomenon, not a boilerplate advertising gimmick. At this point, they need to start blasting out mass e-mails to domain managers or something, because the last thing they want to be associated with their fight nights is a phrase along the lines of "Season 1 is a hot mess, just skip to Season 2".
I forget, what match led to the Prog/D1 reaction at the end of that clip?
UltraDavid:
You and James seem to mention a lot about how when Smash/Melee is present, you often forget/aren't interested/never have time - whatever - to pay attention to the game at events. Seems to be a common theme among you two. Why do you think this is?
I have a creeping suspicion that it's the insularity the community is known for, catching up to them. That it is the game and the community's strengths that's being accepted more than the community. The fact that there is almost no spill over from Smash players into other FG scenes keeps players of said scenes uninvested/disinterested in what's happening when their game is on display. When Smash is onscreen at a major - the crowd and hype seems to be generated by nothing but Smash players. No one from the Capcom community, for example, has anyone to root for because their interaction with the players is minimal at events. Smash players have their game and their presence but they're largely "just there". If SFAT made a little noise in Marvel/SF or Jwong made a little noise in Melee - would you make it more of a priority to attention to the game?
EH and SRK can only do so much. The FGC is still quite segmented between these games and this is just a Capcom fighter (albeit the most popular FG in the community atm). Maybe if the Capcom community reached out to places like 8WR or Dustloop they could convince them to see the larger picture (in terms of helping generate FG adoption) and help drive the viewer count throughout with front page articles and social media.
But at the end of the day, the FGC is still small compared to what they're used to. It's their side of the demographics that have a greater chance of expanding FG adoption/viewership so what are they doing in terms of advertising? I haven't seen anything. Never heard of ESGN before now, period. Getting ad banners on Giant Bomb, Kotaku, IGN etc. is what I'm looking at.
You and James seem to mention a lot about how when Smash/Melee is present, you often forget/aren't interested/never have time - whatever - to pay attention to the game at events. Seems to be a common theme among you two. Why do you think this is?
I have a creeping suspicion that it's the insularity the community is known for, catching up to them. That it is the game and the community's strengths that's being accepted more than the community. The fact that there is almost no spill over from Smash players into other FG scenes keeps players of said scenes uninvested/disinterested in what's happening when their game is on display. When Smash is onscreen at a major - the crowd and hype seems to be generated by nothing but Smash players. No one from the Capcom community, for example, has anyone to root for because their interaction with the players is minimal at events. Smash players have their game and their presence but they're largely "just there". If SFAT made a little noise in Marvel/SF or Jwong made a little noise in Melee - would you make it more of a priority to attention to the game?
EH and SRK can only do so much. The FGC is still quite segmented between these games and this is just a Capcom fighter (albeit the most popular FG in the community atm). Maybe if the Capcom community reached out to places like 8WR or Dustloop they could convince them to see the larger picture (in terms of helping generate FG adoption) and help drive the viewer count throughout with front page articles and social media.
But at the end of the day, the FGC is still small compared to what they're used to. It's their side of the demographics that have a greater chance of expanding FG adoption/viewership so what are they doing in terms of advertising? I haven't seen anything. Never heard of ESGN before now, period. Getting ad banners on Giant Bomb, Kotaku, IGN etc. is what I'm looking at.
Kage vs MattDotZeb, it was only a pools match, too.
Yep, never heard about all of this before seeing the first episode of the SF edition being advertised on SRK. And if I remember right, it was on the same day that it was aired.
No trailer, no teaser, no nothing, just "hey this thing is here guys! from a bunch of people you don't know, with a bunch of people you do know!".
They need to sell themselves a bit more, get people to know them outside of just the FGC community circles.
Oh so I am watching the right video. I knew I remembered a Ganondorf being involved.
This shit is hype btw.