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Fighting Games Weekly | March 3-9 | Edition Edition
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You know it! I wonder what'll happen this time. Every ROM always has something special and hype about it...
cue everyone boycotting level | up for selling out and going full esports.
theprodigy
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ThatCrazyGuy
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I don't know why they have to do it up on the front row. Do it on the side of the seating area off the camera.
seems like they want to be seen for some reason or to get attention. Plus they kept freaking standing up blocking everybody and people constantly yelling telling them to sit the fuck down, lol.
i was at scr. Valle repeatedly told them to make it discreet, but they weren't showing him that respect.
Parallax Scroll
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He announced it while marvel top 32. It's disgusting and unprofessional. Wouldn't be surprised if sponsors start dropping these events.
And the worse part is they do it ON CAMERA. I just don't get it.
I find that MrWizard tweet funny when he's basically sanctioning the $200 Edition Edition tournament.
If only 2 people enter then that's a standard money match for $400. But oh wait... for some reason that will be declared as gambling and illegal.
They should've made the side betting more discreet. PRRog was just flipping money around at the front row like it was going out of style.
If only 2 people enter then that's a standard money match for $400. But oh wait... for some reason that will be declared as gambling and illegal.
They should've made the side betting more discreet. PRRog was just flipping money around at the front row like it was going out of style.
So all tournaments are gambling.
Karsticles
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Fees are not gambling. You pay a fee regardless of whether you win or lose.
MM is two guys placing a bet on an outcome.
Having multiple people and a tournament structure changes things up. Kind of in the same way that you can get poker tournaments organized in many states without an issue, but not an open poker game/table where people come and go.
That's.... what a money match is.
You are paying $200 to participate in the money match, win or lose. Each player puts up the same money. Only one player walks out with the money.
They aren't betting, they are entering. If they placed additional money with other people (aka side betting) then that would be gambling.
As it is a MM is a game of skill and hence should not be considered gambling. Just because there is "structure" or is in a "controlled" environment doesn't make it any different.
MikeBreezy92
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Sort of his point lol.
Sidebetting has always been a thing though and its definitely always been quite obvious on stream when people are sidebetting even the commentators mention it.
WNF was pretty bad. I think it was Lap Chi who basically stood in front of the player cam exchanging money after each match.
I have nothing against side betting. people are getting ridiculous with it though.
Because it's technically illegal even if no one would ever enforce it.
They're not "fees". On top of the registration fee you pay $10 or so to enter the tournament explicitly knowing that that money will be redistributed to whoever the winner is.
That's gambling in its purest form.
Because it's gambling straight up and is not a game of skill (as in you aren't even playing the game you are just making an educated guess on the outcome).
Although I guess you are probably asking about why gambling itself is illegal.
Lost Fragment
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Knew the MM/side betting crackdown was gonna come sooner or later. RIP money matches that aren't in hotel rooms.
This is where the "game of skill" part comes in.
Yeah that was not a good look.
The camera guy focused on it a lot as well so you got to see it quite a bit on stream.
they could always say they're just doing a FT10 for bragging rights
Yeah that's what I am saying... a money match is a "game of skill" in its purest form.
Side betting isn't a game of skill hence the difference.
SloaneRisette
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Yup. CJ was standing on a damn chair waving hundreds even.
They could've done a lot better at bring discrete, that's for sure
ThatCrazyGuy
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Do it on side, off the camera, not in the front row. With money flapping all about.
Valle didn't want it on camera at scr on the front row. That was his point. He was giving warnings about making it discreet before.he finally said he would kick people out if they didn't stop.
No, I don't think that's why SCR's attendance sucked. It was probably bad because crimsonblur didn't promote it enough, didn't promote it the right way (there were some misconceptions about it among lower level players in Cali? Not sure), and they started Melee on a Friday which apparently a lot of the Cali players had an issue with (work johns, school johns, etc. etc.)
ROM's attendance isn't even that high, either. It just has a lot of EC competition, barely any WC players are going. Granted, you can register at the door, so it might bump up to 100 at the very least (it's at 85 since pre-reg closed). Also, I don't even think many EC Smashers travel out to West Coast majors unless it's like Genesis or something anyway -- the expectation of anyone besides say, M2K or whoever going to SCR was not there. Smashers don't make bank (or at least as much as many of the top FG players get in comparison) and can't travel everywhere every weekend (Mew2King being the sole exception to that).
Though I know you're just poking fun.
Then what the fuck are the point of casinos if all you do there is straight up gamble? I'm getting mind fucked here, what the fuck. Is it cause it's regulated or something?
That makes sense then, I didn't even know it was a big deal to begin with, now I know if I ever wanna bet, make it discrete!
Did you read this reddit post about someone told on raffles? Had his twitch channel banned and everything
http://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/1zl9kr/towelliee_banned_anyone_known_why/cfurrc2
http://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/1zl9kr/towelliee_banned_anyone_known_why/cfurrc2
Valle's tweet mentions it being illegal without a license.
If I'm not mistaken Casinos exist outside the law, as in that it's legal to gamble inside one but not outside.
It's pretty complex and it's more complex because every state has its own laws. It has to do with licensing and regulations. You need a license to run a casino for example.
Remember that whole fiasco about raffles? Same shit here.
From what I understand to quantify something as gambling (and its legality), certain lawyers have to look at the contract, prize and chance then decide if its gambling or not. This is where the whole "game of skill" comes in to play... you can participate in a game of skill and win money after putting up your own money (like a tournament) but it won't be illegal. But of course it's all in the wording.. if you word it in one way, a tournament can be illegal but worded another way a money match could be legal.
Karsticles
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No. You are paying fees to the tournament administration. They then distribute winnings according to a prize distribution method. It is a formal competitive event with entry fees.
Two guys who put money down next to each other over a match is absolutely not the same thing. The two bear many similarities, but still have important differences.
If you sign your child up for a basketball team that plays regional matches, and you pay a $20 fee for that, are you "gambling" for the rewards? Of course not. The season (event) is what you are paying for.
Keep in mind that I don't care if people gamble.
I think you may be referring to casinos on native american reservations. Reservations are (very high level) sovereign territory of the tribe, not the state they are located, so they can pass laws allowing the creation of casinos.
Some states, notably New Jersey and Nevada, have legalized casinos under a pretty highly regulated structure.
Otherwise generally most states have laws against gambling. You just have to generally do more than a friendly bet with your buddy to actually get police attention.
If you want to get into the really fun/horribly boring stuff, look at the IRS angle. IRS doesn't care if it's legal or not, they just need you to pay tax on it. There's a great case where this guy lost a massive amount of money in Atlantic City, but the casino ultimately forgave the debt. IRS claimed that the forgiven debt was actually income subject to tax, and that he owed taxes on it. IIRC the IRS won the case.
theprodigy
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No, I don't think that's why SCR's attendance sucked. It was probably bad because crimsonblur didn't promote it enough, didn't promote it the right way (there were some misconceptions about it among lower level players in Cali? Not sure), and they started Melee on a Friday which apparently a lot of the Cali players had an issue with (work johns, school johns, etc. etc.)
ROM's attendance isn't even that high, either. It just has a lot of EC competition, barely any WC players are going. Granted, you can register at the door, so it might bump up to 100 at the very least (it's at 85 since pre-reg closed). Also, I don't even think many EC Smashers travel out to West Coast majors unless it's like Genesis or something anyway -- the expectation of anyone besides say, M2K or whoever going to SCR was not there. Smashers don't make bank (or at least as much as many of the top FG players get in comparison) and can't travel everywhere every weekend (Mew2King being the sole exception to that).
Though I know you're just poking fun.
you probably shouldn't have wasted 2 paragraphs typing that up
(and I swear M2K is literally everywhere)
So if you give your entry fee to the tournament administration and then have your money match after which the money is distributed by the administration... now its legal?
ESGN Season 3 is on guys! Let's get those numbers up!
http://www.twitch.tv/esgn_tv
LOL that call out.
Holy Order Sol
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Is there anyone there that K Brad actually wants to play ? lol
"God's Beard!"
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I think I'm replacing Leona with Yuri on my KOFXIII team. Super hop fireballs are just too much fun.
Duo Lon/Kim/Yuri? Or should Kim and Yuri be swapped.
Duo Lon/Kim/Yuri? Or should Kim and Yuri be swapped.
sixteen-bit
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Where's Skisonic on this tier list?
Parallax Scroll
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What's it say? Can't see if not logged in to Facebook.
Yeah, his reaction to getting picked was great. Really enjoying this show, though I tune out during the repeated interview phases.