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Fighting Games Weekly | March 3-9 | Edition Edition

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Revven

Member
Azure J said:
Oh so I am watching the right video. I knew I remembered a Ganondorf being involved.

This shit is hype btw.
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The other matches where prog and D1 got really hyped during commentary in that trailer were

StriCnyn vs Toph
The Moon vs Chillindude829

The 'thunder cats hoooooooo' slays me every time in The Moon vs Chillin

And the good news is, both prog and D1 will be commentating at RoM7 too! (Part of the reason I'm looking forward to it so much).
 
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Azure J

Member
Revven said:
The other matches where prog and D1 got really hyped during commentary in that trailer were

StriCnyn vs Toph
The Moon vs Chillindude829

The 'thunder cats hoooooooo' slays me every time in The Moon vs Chillin

And the good news is, both prog and D1 will be commentating at RoM7 too! (Part of the reason I'm looking forward to it so much).
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The Moon vs Chillin is especially legendary to me because of how rare it is to see a Marth KO with a goddamned upsmash. It's like the one option every Marth main "forgets" about and then this guy combos into it... :lol
 
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Conceited

mechaniphiliac
They really need to bump the time slot up, or maybe only show episodes from Friday to Sunday.

I was thinking about how there felt like something was missing from Fight Night the other day and I am starting to think it's a crowd/live audience, it's just not as compelling for non-FG fans (who have no idea whats happening) to watch.

It's sort of underwhelming when something truly crazy happens and there is no sense of hype at all apart from Mike and Gootecks. It is still weird to me hearing silence after a crazy moment.

They just need more energy on the show, IMO.
 
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Parallax Scroll

Banned
Conceited said:
They really need to bump the time slot up, or maybe only show episodes from Friday to Sunday.

I was thinking about how there felt like something was missing from Fight Night the other day and I am starting to think it's a crowd/live audience, it's just not as compelling for non-FG fans (who have no idea whats happening) to watch.

It's sort of underwhelming when something truly crazy happens and there is no sense of hype at all apart from Mike and Gootecks. It is still weird to me hearing silence after a crazy moment.

They just need more energy on the show, IMO.
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This was brought up on the call yesterday. Dan said that they're using a temporary studio while they prepare the "real" studio for future seasons, and there just isn't enough space in the current studio for an audience.
 
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Cosmo Clock 21

Banned
Kimosabae said:
UltraDavid:

You and James seem to mention a lot about how when Smash/Melee is present, you often forget/aren't interested/never have time - whatever - to pay attention to the game at events. Seems to be a common theme among you two. Why do you think this is?

I have a creeping suspicion that it's the insularity the community is known for, catching up to them. That it is the game and the community's strengths that's being accepted more than the community. The fact that there is almost no spill over from Smash players into other FG scenes keeps players of said scenes uninvested/disinterested in what's happening when their game is on display. When Smash is onscreen at a major - the crowd and hype seems to be generated by nothing but Smash players. No one from the Capcom community, for example, has anyone to root for because their interaction with the players is minimal at events. Smash players have their game and their presence but they're largely "just there". If SFAT made a little noise in Marvel/SF or Jwong made a little noise in Melee - would you make it more of a priority to attention to the game?
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This isn't exclusive to Smash/not Smash; for the most part you can divide the western FGC into circles of Capcom/3D/NRS/Anime with any overlap being exceptions rather than the norm.
 
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MikeBreezy92

Member
Tbh that just stressed the point that the FGC is rare in the sense that its a community with multiple games instead of a "Starcraft", "LoL", etc. communities.


Even then there is the argument that we're not really a FGC....
 
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DryEyeRelief

Member
Cosmo Clock 21 said:
This isn't exclusive to Smash/not Smash; for the most part you can divide the western FGC into circles of Capcom/3D/NRS/Anime with any overlap being exceptions rather than the norm.
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I think Marvel and SF4 are their own circles. It's just they've gotten so big that, it becomes a thing to play either on the side. Ideally that's where everyone wants their game to be. So big that other crowds are forced to acknowledge them.

Melee is there but it's in a weird situation. It was reintegrated with all of the other fighters recently but it's too old and too different to get any cross pollination.
 
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Rice-Eater

Member
SousedLouse said:
They wanted 20k+? I wouldn't say that's impossible, but that'd take some rapid expansion.


What, like prize fights or something? I guess that could work, assuming that the non-sponsored players would put up with traveling.
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No, I don't know what they wanted although someone posted about them wanting 10k so I guess that's the magic number. I was just comparing it to Hearthstone since I've seen it get 20k when I went to check on how other games on ESGN were doing. I guess I should have word myself better.

And I didn't mean prize fights, just keep the same format but get bigger names is possible. Some guys like Daigo can increase a audience all by themselves. Not by that much, but his name will give you a decent bump. And a better time slot(as far as North America is concerned) would also help but I don't know if Europe has more priority or something like that.

I think 10k is doable, but it would have to be done a certain way and it may not be sustainable. So it may not be worth it for ESGN.
 
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"God's Beard!"

Member
Cosmo Clock 21 said:
This isn't exclusive to Smash/not Smash; for the most part you can divide the western FGC into circles of Capcom/3D/NRS/Anime with any overlap being exceptions rather than the norm.
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Yeah, I play Capcom/3D/Anime and I have to find different groups of people for each game.

But I'm picky in each group, too. I won't play Tekken or BlazBlue.
 
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UltraDavid

Member
Kimosabae said:
You and James seem to mention a lot about how when Smash/Melee is present, you often forget/aren't interested/never have time - whatever - to pay attention to the game at events. Seems to be a common theme among you two. Why do you think this is?

I have a creeping suspicion that it's the insularity the community is known for, catching up to them. That it is the game and the community's strengths that's being accepted more than the community. The fact that there is almost no spill over from Smash players into other FG scenes keeps players of said scenes uninvested/disinterested in what's happening when their game is on display. When Smash is onscreen at a major - the crowd and hype seems to be generated by nothing but Smash players. No one from the Capcom community, for example, has anyone to root for because their interaction with the players is minimal at events. Smash players have their game and their presence but they're largely "just there". If SFAT made a little noise in Marvel/SF or Jwong made a little noise in Melee - would you make it more of a priority to attention to the game?
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That's a fair criticism, it's something I noticed too while I was glossing over Smash on the show last night. It doesn't have anything to do with who's playing or not, just with my own understanding of the game. It's the same reason I glossed over Tekken and KoF. Like with Melee, I got into those games enough to know that they're good, but I didn't stick with them at a competitive level. I have fun watching them, but I can't talk much about competitive play in them.

I usually do watch Melee if I have free time, but that happens pretty rarely since usually I'm commentating all day. This weekend I did have time during Melee top 8, although Blazblue was on at the same time so I watched that instead.

I think this "Capcom community" thing is almost nonexistant in real life. I know lots of Street Fighter 4 players, lots of Marvel 3 players, some SFxT players, some 3S players, a few Vampire players, some people who play more than one of these, etc. But I don't know almost anyone who identifies as a Capcom player. I also don't know almost anyone who won't try another game just because it's not made by Capcom. I feel like I know quite a few people who came into fighting games with Smash and now play other games too, but yeah, almost no one who did the opposite. But wait for the new Smash, I know I'll be playing it and I'm sure I won't be alone.
 
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Slamtastic

Member
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Beckx

Member
Guys...

You know I love Full Boost. But the arcade sequel just blew it out of the water.

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That is a Gundam on a Gundam Horse. I...I think I'm in love.
 
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SousedLouse

Member
MikeBreezy92 said:
Tbh that just stressed the point that the FGC is rare in the sense that its a community with multiple games instead of a "Starcraft", "LoL", etc. communities.


Even then there is the argument that we're not really a FGC....
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We're more like a loose collection of scenes that carry the same sins. A coalition of the fraudulent.

Rice-Eater said:
No, I don't know what they wanted although someone posted about them wanting 10k so I guess that's the magic number. I was just comparing it to Hearthstone since I've seen it get 20k when I went to check on how other games on ESGN were doing. I guess I should have word myself better.
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Ah, OK. I wasn't entirely sure, so I felt I had to ask.
Hearthstone has really taken off, so I'm not too surprised that it gets so much coverage.

And I didn't mean prize fights, just keep the same format but get bigger names is possible. Some guys like Daigo can increase a audience all by themselves. Not by that much, but his name will give you a decent bump. And a better time slot(as far as North America is concerned) would also help but I don't know if Europe has more priority or something like that.

I think 10k is doable, but it would have to be done a certain way and it may not be sustainable. So it may not be worth it for ESGN.
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Well, this stuff's all pre-recorded anyway, so they could totally run some long sets with other international players if they had to.

Silky said:
who knew gundam was big w/ the mlp community
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Slamtastic said:
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/tangent
 
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Lost Fragment

Obsessed with 4chan
ESGN dudes are dumb if they pack it up because of low viewer numbers when they broadcast new stuff in the middle of the frickin afternoon.
 
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nycfurby

Dhalsim's Max CPM Emporium
Lost Fragment said:
ESGN dudes are dumb if they pack it up because of low viewer numbers when they broadcast new stuff in the middle of the frickin afternoon.
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Haha,theyre going to be disappointed with the FGC numbers no matter what then..considering that right now it's anywhere from 1-2k for personal streams and or/anime, 5k-8k for weekly streams like Spooky/Levelup, and anywhere from 20-45k (as seen by SCR) for major tournaments, exception being evo with 150k+

I feel like for the most part, majors are just competing for the same 30k+ monsters for themost part

Thing is, ESGN streams on multiple platforms - there's a sizeable audience on Twitch already, so their twitch numbers dont tell the full story. I have no idea what their viewership is like on YT Live, and other platforms but I guess it isnt pretty.

Flying out international players, while i'm sure it will double their audience especially if they change the timeslot...I'm not sure what they're expecting, since no matter what viewership they get, even if its in the 10k+ mark..won't even come close to recovering costs. Of course, I'm sure they know that the CPM cant even come close to paying for anything at all. I'm going under the assumption here that they need the viewership to continue to get funded for other seasons - thus I see ESGN as a proof of concept that they CAN produce a gdlk show to get more VC money or backing (I can't imagine this stuff being profitable.)

Even if SRK/EH covered ESGN (I'm actually surprised they haven't covered it at all, unless I'm mistaken? I don't always check SRK front page) it still wouldn't be that much reach outside the FGC. You're still marketing to the same core monsters. Need some kind of reach outside the FGC to be successful I guess? Which is not easy, at all (it's something I've been grasping with myself.)

Anyway, hope this is not the seemingly endless cycle of big companies coming in, seeing the viewership/audience is not there and bouncing like we've seen time and time again happening. I mean I could have told you that the FGC is niche lol. I can't see large companies getting involved and becoming profitable all of a sudden from my experience. People are trying to blow up big and fast and it's not gonna happen.
 
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dtg

Neo Member
Horseress said:
Yeah, I don't think it has passed 4k viewers yet, which is really weird, it is a good show and, most of all, with godlike players playing for big money. I don't know why people aren't watching it, maybe it's too early for some audiences?
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It's too early in the day and (mostly for me), it being pre-recorded ruins the fun. It's like watching live sports, except only getting reruns. Also I am not a fan of the commentary and it doesn't have enough stream monsters for me to keep an eye on the chat.
 
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jbug617

Banned
360 patch for 3SOE coming out tomorrow.

Also reading on twitter seems like the Marvel players are going to show up to NLBC
 
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Omega

Banned
nycfurby said:
Haha,theyre going to be disappointed with the FGC numbers no matter what then..considering that right now it's anywhere from 1-2k for personal streams and or/anime, 5k-8k for weekly streams like Spooky/Levelup, and anywhere from 20-45k (as seen by SCR) for major tournaments, exception being evo with 150k+
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I think the biggest reason SCR almost got 50k is because it was on the front page almost all weekend.

When the people I'm following aren't streaming, I'll watch whatever looks most interesting on the front page, so it wouldn't surprise me if people did that with SCR. I don't think it's a coincidence that when a fighting game event finally gets the front page, it almost gets 50k while every other event was around 10k-20k.

Unless I'm mistaken, ESGN SF doesn't get front page. at least I haven't seen it up there. It's also at a pretty bad time slot. It doesn't really get that much exposure outside of people that already know about it.
 
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Lost Fragment

Obsessed with 4chan
nycfurby said:
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Well the guy said that they would like double of 5kish, which is what they've been at on Twitch whenever I notice it, so while I'm sure other metrics exist the Twitch number is probably their main concern. But yeah I don't know how they make money off of this even with Hearthstone, so it probably is some kind of proof-of-concept, pilot shit to show to investors.

SRK definitely has been promoting it, but I don't know about EH since I don't follow their twitter, heh.

Omega Rex said:
I think the biggest reason SCR almost got 50k is because it was on the front page almost all weekend.
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Majors being on the front page for entire weekends isn't something new.
 
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nycfurby

Dhalsim's Max CPM Emporium
Lost Fragment said:
Well the guy said that they would like double of 5kish, which is what they've been at on Twitch whenever I notice it, so while I'm sure other metrics exist the Twitch number is probably their main concern. But yeah I don't know how they make money off of this even with Hearthstone, so it probably is some kind of proof-of-concept, pilot shit to show to investors.

SRK definitely has been promoting it, but I don't know about EH since I don't follow their twitter, heh.
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EH definitely has I always see a update after ESGN is done on their site. Didn't know SRK was covering it actually. I'm actually so balls deep in producing my own stuff that I can't check the sites as much
 
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Cosmo Clock 21

Banned
Does twitch provide telemetrics for channels in any shape? It'd be useful to get hard numbers for things like being a front page stream, ad campaigns, stuff like that.
 
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Omega

Banned
Lost Fragment said:
Majors being on the front page for entire weekends isn't something new.
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They've been there before, but not as often.

Usually when I tell my friends "hey, you should watch this event" they ask for a link because it's not on the front page and they're too lazy to search. It felt good not having to link anyone to SCR
 
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Parallax Scroll

Banned
Valle unhappy with the sidebetting at SCR:

Alex Valle ‏@AlexValleSF4 1h
I hate to be the party pooper but I must address something. I'm disappointed in the community for blatant transactions of monopoly $$. Cont.

Alex Valle ‏@AlexValleSF4 1h
All it takes is one person to whistle blow and it's over / authorities time...

Alex Valle ‏@AlexValleSF4 59m
Please be responsible / respectful to your TOs. If not us, someone will pay the consequences just cause u want $5 on first hit...

Alex Valle ‏@AlexValleSF4 52m
Side betting is gambling, this is not online MM's which is sanctioned by Virgin/Capcom in select states. Gambling is illegal without license
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