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Former PlayStation Exec Says 'The Game Is Changing' As Xbox Goes Multiplatform - “They were Blockbuster and overtime they became Netflix”

Lunatic_Gamer

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Former PlayStation exec Adam Boyes has been talking to Gamertag Radio host Danny Peña recently - and when asked about Microsoft's new strategy, the former Sony employee had some interesting things to say. Boyes spoke about "the game landscape changing" - and that "they [Microsoft] were Blockbuster" and over time "they became Netflix".



Boyes also posed the question of "who's the victim" when Microsoft decides to move more games over to other platforms.

"When Phil and his team are putting amazing content on more platforms, who's the victim? I've been asking a lot of people like 'who's the victim?' and there aren't any, except for people who are just like 'well I want it [games] only where I bought it and that's what I expect'."


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onQ123

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Former PlayStation exec Adam Boyes has been talking to Gamertag Radio host Danny Peña recently - and when asked about Microsoft's new strategy, the former Sony employee had some interesting things to say. Boyes spoke about "the game landscape changing" - and that "they [Microsoft] were Blockbuster" and over time "they became Netflix".



Boyes also posed the question of "who's the victim" when Microsoft decides to move more games over to other platforms.




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DrMano

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They're not exactly similar but I think this guy's comparison is on point; for better or for worse.


I personally dislike the direction to which the gaming landscape is moving, I'd rather have all console brands that hoard and guard their games like Nintendo, and fight to not release their 1st party games anywhere else, including pc. This leads to competition and a very strong motivation to make compelling games that are system sellers. Going multiplatform for both soy and xbox is a bad move.

The problem with corporatized mega conglomerate that are the Xbox division is that they are unwilling to deliberately put they're heads downs and work on developing banger games for the next 5 years while operating at minimal capacity,. This short-sighted quarterly revenue/profits chasing over sound, cohesive 5/10 year planning ahead is what got them in this mess in the first place.
 

SHAKEZ

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I don't think they're anywhere near Netflix yet, or will ever be if they keep making pointless consoles.
Make a better service, make even better controllers, better games and they are golden, just forget about woke bullshit and consoles.
 
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Mibu no ookami

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It just goes to show that a lot of these guys who have been involved with running the show have no idea what they're talking about.

He's apparently not a student of the film/tv/video rental industry because his analogy is for shit.

It's also worth noting he was at PlayStation for all of 4 and a half years.

Blockbuster was never analogous to HBO. Two completely different businesses.

Even HBO was not analogous to Netflix until pretty recently when a few key changes happened

  • HBO got into streaming and separated itself from cable packages, initially with HBO Go (2010)
  • Netflix began creating original content (2013)
What's important to know about these dates? Blockbuster filed for bankruptcy in 2010, before either of the above things even became established.

You might as well compare McDonalds and John Deere...

Microsoft is attempting to become Netflix, but they're largely failing to do so. They have fewer subscribers than Sony does with PS+. And I can see why he would say Nintendo was Disney because of the IP, but this is also a poor analogy. He thinks Sony is HBO because HBO is known for its premium content, but HBO is not the market leader in streaming.

The only thing Microsoft has in common with Netflix compared to Netflix's competitors is its size after buying ABK and Bethesda, but do you know what Netflix doesn't do? It doesn't put its shows on other networks/streaming services. Why? Because Netflix didn't capsize their business by taking on more operating costs than they could afford to sustain with their business model.

If Netflix went out and bought Paramount and Universal, they'd have to immediately jack up their prices or they'd have to start putting their content elsewhere, because the subscribers of Netflix alone wouldn't justify the cost of the entire enterprise. Everyone currently consuming Paramount and Universal content wouldn't immediately subscribe to Netflix and there would also already be overlap, so you're spending more money on the same customers.

It's such a surface level comparison that it's actually embarrassing that someone like him would say it.

Finally, the reason why this is such a poor thing to compare is that software is inherently different than video, that wasn't always true. Before home video and cable, the only way to see movies was in the theater and specific movie studios owned the theaters and the movies you could see. TV was technology that changed that just like how streaming could change that in video games.

Netflix works on every tv, laptop, cell phone e.t.c. The platform doesn't respect hardware exclusivity, but the platform itself is exclusivity. Microsoft is in a chicken and the egg situation where no one is going to follow them by putting their games exclusively on GamePass and certainly not exclusively on Xbox anymore. The only way for Microsoft to bend the industry towards GamePass is to buy all the publishers.
 

Mibu no ookami

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This is exactly the problem with MS.

The same people who took all the wrong choices and lead their first party output to the current state are handling all these studios.

Making a proprietary platform work is extremely difficult. It's something that Sony has tried for decades and failed at. Had Sony embraced MP3 they might be the biggest company in the world today, but instead it is Apple.

To make any proprietary system work you need compelling reasons and leverage.
 

jroc74

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I mean...Netflix has exclusive content tho.

MS seems to be giving theirs away.

Tell us you’ve never used Game Pass without telling us you’ve never used Game Pass.
Tell us how you can play a game with it playing in the background like you can listen to music or even listen to movies, TV shows.

It is absolutely a terrible comparison.
 
Tell us you’ve never used Game Pass without telling us you’ve never used Game Pass.

When gamepass gets tv shows and movies on it let me know man. A large majority of the population can justify getting a netflix subscription over a gaming subscription because movies and tv shows are more casual and easier to consume than a videogame. People enjoy sitting on their couch watching a movie or tv show and eating dinner or hanging out with their family and not having to do anything else while gaming requires more thought input and isn't as family friendly as a movie or tv show is. It's two completely different markets and the vast subscriber differences tell the entire story.
 

ManaByte

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When gamepass gets tv shows and movies on it let me know man. A large majority of the population can justify getting a netflix subscription over a gaming subscription because movies and tv shows are more casual and easier to consume than a videogame. People enjoy sitting on their couch watching a movie or tv show and eating dinner or hanging out with their family and not having to do anything else while gaming requires more thought input and isn't as family friendly as a movie or tv show is. It's two completely different markets and the vast subscriber differences tell the entire story.
“Some people prefer movies to games” doesn’t back up your original thesis. You failed.
 

Mibu no ookami

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That was the theory a few years ago

Now that Stadia and GamePass have flopped I very much doubt it.

It'll be very interesting to see what happens to GamePass over the next 2-4 years.

I'm sure that as the price increases the churn will increase along with it and without hardware sales to replace users, overall revenue will begin to decline even with price increases.
 
It'll be very interesting to see what happens to GamePass over the next 2-4 years.

I'm sure that as the price increases the churn will increase along with it and without hardware sales to replace users, overall revenue will begin to decline even with price increases.

Gamepass will be left to rot along with Xbox hardware.

Focus will be on maximising profits on games like Call of Duty, Minecraft and Candy Crush.
 
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StereoVsn

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Netflix was successful, though? I don't think this analogy works.
Isn’t that the point? Instead of not making money on Xbox (Blockbuster) they will sell everywhere and become successful (Netflix)?

Xbox hardware is basically the side hustle.
 

Mibu no ookami

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Gamepass will be left to rot along with Xbox hardware.

Focus will be on maximising profits on games like Call of Duty.

I could see a class action lawsuit for those that stacked years when the games begin to dwindle or if they find some way out of Day 1.

Stackers are their biggest problem, which is why they're no longer letting you stack so long now. The day they limited the stack is when people should have perked up.

I think GamePass Ultimate will be 25 dollars per month by the end of the year.

Edit: Would not be surprised if GamePass Ultimate was 30 dollars by the end of the generation as GamePass itself rises to something closer to 20.
 
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The victims are going to be the people with the huge Xbox digital libraries. 0% chance they get it all working on pc or cloud, 100% chance Xbox hardware will go away someday.
 
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The victims are going to be the people with the huge Xbox digital libraries. 0% chance they get it all working on pc or cloud, 100% chance Xbox hardware will go away someday.

They chose the worst console purely out of nostalgia for Xbox’s glory years (2004-2008) and were blind for years that Xbox was going to shit.

Their suffering is self inflicted.
 
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reinking

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He talked about a digital marketplace and then attributed it to TV streaming services? Xbox becoming third-party is not the same thing as Netflix. Console games being sold digitally are not the same thing as Netflix. Changing focus to gaming services is not Netflix. Why does everything have to be compared to Netflix? He can argue nobody is going to get hurt. I am fine with that point. Again, not Netflix.
 
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Generic

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All games being multiplatform would be good for consumers because they would be able to play these games anywhere and good for devs because their games would sell more.

It would be bad for Nintendo because nobody would pay $300 for ancient tablet hardware to play Mario and Zelda.
 
Calling them Blockbuster in their heyday is honestly too generous. They truly only had one super successful console, the 360. The original Xbox barely beat the GameCube if I remember correctly and the One and Series have been total busts.
 
Somebody needs to send Adam Microsofts latest report. Nothing is working for them. Hardware has collapsed and is dead. Subscription is not growing and has stagnated. That's after putting one of the biggest games in the world on the service. Clearly the gaming industry isn't like the movie/TV show industry. The traditional model reigns supreme and nobody can show evidence otherwise because there is none. Xbox fanboys screaming on twitter is not evidence. Microsoft themselves had to go multiplatform just to be able to return to the traditional model of selling games again.
 
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They chose the worst console purely out of nostalgia for Xbox’s glory years (2004-2008) and were blind for years that Xbox was going to shit.

Their suffering is self inflicted.

It’s just ridiculous that all these people act like past games don’t exist. Like gamers only care about upcoming games.
 

ManaByte

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Stackers are their biggest problem, which is why they're no longer letting you stack so long now. The day they limited the stack is when people should have perked up.
They never changed it. It’s always been a max of three years since the XBL days. It’s a MS limitation for all of their subs.
 
Everyone in the industry can see the writing on the wall that the industry is changing. Even with Sony dominating their public comments and actions have indicated the traditional sell physical game for $70 and move on to the next one is becoming a thing of the past.

MS have gone with GP and Sony have gone with GaaS for the moment. Only Nintendo are sticking to their guns for the moment but even they seem to have played it pretty safe with Switch 2 allowing for more 3rd party.
 
Everyone in the industry can see the writing on the wall that the industry is changing. Even with Sony dominating their public comments and actions have indicated the traditional sell physical game for $70 and move on to the next one is becoming a thing of the past.

MS have gone with GP and Sony have gone with GaaS for the moment. Only Nintendo are sticking to their guns for the moment but even they seem to have played it pretty safe with Switch 2 allowing for more 3rd party.

It's not changing to a subscription model though is it?
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Stackers are their biggest problem, which is why they're no longer letting you stack so long now. The day they limited the stack is when people should have perked up.

Clearly you've either never used the service or know much about it firsthand.

The stacking limit has always been 3 years. It's still 3 years even today. The only thing changed recently is the ratio of other tiers of the service converting to the Ultimate tier if one opts to do that.
 
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It's not changing to a subscription model though is it?
The option is there for subscription for both MS and PS so I’d say it’s already moved there in part and I don’t see it going away.

It’s options. You can buy / subscribe/ pay for content, skins, etc

Edit: Even Nintendo have subscription for backwards compatibility.
 
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Mibu no ookami

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Clearly you've either never used the service or know much about it firsthand.

The stacking limit has always been 3 years. It's still 3 years even today. The only thing changed recently is the ratio of other tiers of the service converting to the Ultimate tier if one opts to do that.

  • From September 12, 2024, Microsoft will only allow existing users to stack Xbox Game Pass for Console for up to 13 months, using pre-paid cards and the like, which will continue to function in perpetuity. If you have more than 13 months stacked already, you won't be impacted.

You never know what you're talking about.
 
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