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Former PlayStation Exec Says 'The Game Is Changing' As Xbox Goes Multiplatform - “They were Blockbuster and overtime they became Netflix”

The option is there for subscription for both MS and PS so I’d say it’s already moved there in part and I don’t see it going away.

It’s options. You can buy / subscribe/ pay for content, skins, etc

Edit: Even Nintendo have subscription for backwards compatibility.

Yeah as an option but not the dominant primary way as was predicted years ago. Nintendo don't even have one yet. Sony are throwing games in there randomly years after release. Some don't even show at all.
 
"Sony has emerged as the loudest objector," Smith wrote. "It’s as excited about this deal as Blockbuster was about the rise of Netflix." To close his piece, Smith said, "Think about how much better it is to stream a movie from your couch than drive to Blockbuster. We want to bring the same sort of innovation to the videogame industry" Brad Smith

Aged like Milk. Now they're running to sony to sell games on their platform!
 

Topher

Identifies as young
Ultimate and PC stacking is 3 years, you know the tiers that you were worried about them finding a way out of day one.

So three years for Ultimate and PC, but 13 months for console? Why is Game Pass for console always getting shit on by Microsoft?
 
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Yeah as an option but not the dominant primary way as was predicted years ago. Nintendo don't even have one yet. Sony are throwing games in there randomly years after release. Some don't even show at all.
It all starts somewhere. It’s still just an option for TV and Movies. Maybe they’ll end up with a model like movies (sort of). Buy only digital first then move to physical release / streaming services later. Who knows …
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
So three years for Ultimate and PC, but 13 months for console? What is Game Pass for console always getting shit on by Microsoft?

Not sure if there's been any substantial change, but during the Activision acquisition document leakage, one of them stated that around 80% of all game pass users are on the ultimate tier.

So this just feels like them wanting to move the remaining percentage on the higher paying tier to get more revenue out of it.
 
"Sony has emerged as the loudest objector," Smith wrote. "It’s as excited about this deal as Blockbuster was about the rise of Netflix." To close his piece, Smith said, "Think about how much better it is to stream a movie from your couch than drive to Blockbuster. We want to bring the same sort of innovation to the videogame industry" Brad Smith

Aged like Milk. Now they're running to sony to sell games on their platform!
And Sony have spent billions trying to become a GaaS powerhouse. They know things are changing too.
 

Mibu no ookami

Demoted Member® Pro™
Ultimate and PC stacking is 3 years, you know the tiers that you were worried about them finding a way out of day one.

You're conflating two things that I said.

I said that they may look to find a way out of day 1 and I said that GamePass Ultimate will probably jump to 25 dollars by the end of the year and 30 dollars by the end of the generation.

They ended stacking because they had to grandfather people with GamePass into the Day 1 service, but eventually those people will have to pay the full price of Ultimate in order to keep Day 1.

They grandfathered people so they wouldn't be sued. They reduced stacking so they couldn't be sued.

Whether they remove Day 1 at a later date which I surmised is not related to whether ultimate/PC can stack today, because I never said it would be removed within the next 3 years, I actually said the opposite.
 
It all starts somewhere. It’s still just an option for TV and Movies. Maybe they’ll end up with a model like movies (sort of). Buy only digital first then move to physical release / streaming services later. Who knows …

Nobody knows the far future, but the traditional way will stay as the primary way the majority consume videogames for the near future. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise. In fact, the evidence points to that. Switch 2 will be totally traditional and do very well. I expect PS6 will be the same and Microsoft will do well selling games on those platforms. 15-20 years out though? Who knows.
 
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Nobody knows the far future, but the traditional way will stay as the primary way the majority consume videogames for the near future. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise. In fact, the evidence points to that. Switch 2 will be totally traditional and do very well. I expect PS6 will be the same and Microsoft will do well selling games on those platforms. 15-20 years out though? Who knows.
For now it is, but the ‘far future’ can come around quicker than expected and these companies don’t want to be caught out. Hence the subscription/ GaaS push we’re seeing now.
 

Mibu no ookami

Demoted Member® Pro™
Nobody knows the far future, but the traditional way will stay as the primary way the majority consume videogames for the near future. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise. In fact, the evidence points to that. Switch 2 will be totally traditional and do very well. I expect PS6 will be the same and Microsoft will do well selling games on those platforms. 15-20 years out though? Who knows.

Games are media so people like to convince themselves that games will work like other forms of media, but they completely ignore major fundamental elements of games that separate them from other forms of media.

Consumption: A game can last 20-40 hours where a song can last 3-6 minutes, a movie maybe 3 hours, and a tv show an hour...

You can do other things while you listen to music and many people do things while they watch tv and movies. Gaming needs pretty undivided focus.

Production: You could produce a song in a day. An episode of tv in a week. A movie in a couple months. It takes years to build games.

Delivery: It's much easier to stream music, tv, and movies because latency isn't as big a factor.

A subscription model simply doesn't work for games as a replacement for premium sales. The subscription price would have to be considerably larger in order to not tank the entire industry.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
Not sure if there's been any substantial change, but during the Activision acquisition document leakage, one of them stated that around 80% of all game pass users are on the ultimate tier.

So this just feels like them wanting to move the remaining percentage on the higher paying tier to get more revenue out of it.

No day one games by itself is a "substantial change" for the console tier.
 

Humdinger

Gold Member
I think he was just talking off the cuff and said something he thought sounded snappy. But the analogy doesn't fit. Xbox was never Blockbuster (who rented to anyone), and although they wanted to be Netflix, they fell far short.
 
It still hasn’t turned a profit.
Not true, don't know where this concept comes from still. It had years of loss and investment raising but they've been doing pretty great profit wise on approx $5billion of turnover per year in recent years.
  • Netflix net profit margin for the quarter ending December 31, 2024 was 22.34%.
  • Netflix average net profit margin for 2023 was 14.06%, a 10.9% increase from 2022.
  • Netflix average net profit margin for 2022 was 15.78%, a 2.95% decline from 2021.
  • Netflix average net profit margin for 2021 was 16.26%, a 44.15% decline from 2020.
 

vkbest

Member
All games being multiplatform would be good for consumers because they would be able to play these games anywhere and good for devs because their games would sell more.

It would be bad for Nintendo because nobody would pay $300 for ancient tablet hardware to play Mario and Zelda.
Nope, it's good if you choose the correct platform. If you choose a platform with 10 million lifetime sales you are going to skip a ton of games.
 

MacReady13

Member
So this clown is trying to compare Xbox losing exclusives to Microsoft being like Netflix? Cool... I'm off guys. I'm going to watch that great Netflix "exclusive" show Squid Game Season 2 over on Paramoiunt Plus...
 

bitbydeath

Member
All games being multiplatform would be good for consumers because they would be able to play these games anywhere and good for devs because their games would sell more.

It would be bad for Nintendo because nobody would pay $300 for ancient tablet hardware to play Mario and Zelda.
Bad for any company wanting to earn more money through 3rd parties on their store.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
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Exactly! Adam Boyes wants Xbox gamers to be my man there in the green hat.
 
The only victims are people who bought a Series X/S with the expectation that there would be exclusive games, and they chose it over PS5 for those games. Those players are getting ripped off because if they would have picked the other console, they'd have ALL the games.
 

GloveSlap

Member
It's kind of funny to see people scoff at the comparison. I guarantee Game Pass was sold to Microsoft execs as "Netflix for games".
 
They chose the worst console purely out of nostalgia for Xbox’s glory years (2004-2008) and were blind for years that Xbox was going to shit.

Their suffering is self inflicted.

The writing on the wall was the XBone. As soon as Microsoft tried to push their always online DRM bullshit, it was a signal to avoid Xbox digital marketplace. Even cross-buys suck because Windows Store is a complete shit platform. You can for the most part play 360 games without relying on a ton of updates, but anything past that is doomed to be nearly worthless in the future. Especially when all of the best games are now headed for other platforms.
 

yogaflame

Member
I have neflix but I dont watch them all, and there are times i dont touch Netflix since Im not interested on the available movies for the season. Gaming will be killed with netflix type. Its still much better to go to shops and choose the game that I want anytime , wait for highly anticated and fall in line. It makes it more precious once you got what you want.
 

CLW

Member
Episode 5 Reaction GIF by The Office


What “amazing content” does MS put out? I mean the #1 reason they are becoming 3rd party is because they have NO amazing content so no one buys their product
 

bundylove

Member
It just goes to show that a lot of these guys who have been involved with running the show have no idea what they're talking about.

He's apparently not a student of the film/tv/video rental industry because his analogy is for shit.

It's also worth noting he was at PlayStation for all of 4 and a half years.

Blockbuster was never analogous to HBO. Two completely different businesses.

Even HBO was not analogous to Netflix until pretty recently when a few key changes happened

  • HBO got into streaming and separated itself from cable packages, initially with HBO Go (2010)
  • Netflix began creating original content (2013)
What's important to know about these dates? Blockbuster filed for bankruptcy in 2010, before either of the above things even became established.

You might as well compare McDonalds and John Deere...

Microsoft is attempting to become Netflix, but they're largely failing to do so. They have fewer subscribers than Sony does with PS+. And I can see why he would say Nintendo was Disney because of the IP, but this is also a poor analogy. He thinks Sony is HBO because HBO is known for its premium content, but HBO is not the market leader in streaming.

The only thing Microsoft has in common with Netflix compared to Netflix's competitors is its size after buying ABK and Bethesda, but do you know what Netflix doesn't do? It doesn't put its shows on other networks/streaming services. Why? Because Netflix didn't capsize their business by taking on more operating costs than they could afford to sustain with their business model.

If Netflix went out and bought Paramount and Universal, they'd have to immediately jack up their prices or they'd have to start putting their content elsewhere, because the subscribers of Netflix alone wouldn't justify the cost of the entire enterprise. Everyone currently consuming Paramount and Universal content wouldn't immediately subscribe to Netflix and there would also already be overlap, so you're spending more money on the same customers.

It's such a surface level comparison that it's actually embarrassing that someone like him would say it.

Finally, the reason why this is such a poor thing to compare is that software is inherently different than video, that wasn't always true. Before home video and cable, the only way to see movies was in the theater and specific movie studios owned the theaters and the movies you could see. TV was technology that changed that just like how streaming could change that in video games.

Netflix works on every tv, laptop, cell phone e.t.c. The platform doesn't respect hardware exclusivity, but the platform itself is exclusivity. Microsoft is in a chicken and the egg situation where no one is going to follow them by putting their games exclusively on GamePass and certainly not exclusively on Xbox anymore. The only way for Microsoft to bend the industry towards GamePass is to buy all the publishers.
That depends.

Hbo was sold with a box at the beginning. Or got the card for a box to access hbo.
So it was in europe. And you paid a monthly fee for it.

Only later was it available on cable for a fee
 

Z O N E

Member
I mean, the game IS changing, just like how the movie/tv show and music industry changed too.

No one expected subscription services in those sectors to take off, yet here we are.
 

yurinka

Member
It's a bad analogy, Xbox can't be Blockbuster or Netflix because it would imply they are or have been market leaders, when isn't the case.

PS has been above them in consoles and game subs every generation.

The analogy should be a company with way more money than the other ones who tried to make their own platform and exclusives, but didn't work so winded down their own platform and moved their content to the other ones.
 
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Ivan

Member
What a bunch of nonsense just came out of his mouth... Why are all of those fucking "interviews" always the same, people that should know better sound totally clueless.
 

SkylineRKR

Member
Games are media so people like to convince themselves that games will work like other forms of media, but they completely ignore major fundamental elements of games that separate them from other forms of media.

Consumption: A game can last 20-40 hours where a song can last 3-6 minutes, a movie maybe 3 hours, and a tv show an hour...

You can do other things while you listen to music and many people do things while they watch tv and movies. Gaming needs pretty undivided focus.

Production: You could produce a song in a day. An episode of tv in a week. A movie in a couple months. It takes years to build games.

Delivery: It's much easier to stream music, tv, and movies because latency isn't as big a factor.

A subscription model simply doesn't work for games as a replacement for premium sales. The subscription price would have to be considerably larger in order to not tank the entire industry.

Yep this is pretty much it. A game like Diablo, CoD or Persona 3 could go on for 100 hours or more. Its not like binging the latest season of Cobra Kai in a weekend, or watch a 2hr movie and move on.

This is why I don't have these kind of subs for games. Well technically I have Premium, because I took the PS Now plan for cheap and they charge me the entry level price each year which is the same as PS Plus Essential, which is needed for online play anyway. But I almost never use its content. The games I play, and this is another thing, aren't available on sub. I spent the last few months playing Wukong, Robocop, SH2 and Metaphor. Those took all of my time.
 

Fess

Member
The Netflix strategy fell apart when they changed plans and stepped away from exclusives pulling people in.

Netflix is everywhere but have exclusives.
Xbox will be everywhere but won’t have exclusives.

How will they pull people in?

”Day 1 on Gamepass” could possibly be their new exclusivity model to pull people in.
But Gamepass isn’t everywhere so to compare with Netflix it’s as if Netflix would only be available on TCL TVs and PCs.
 

Mattyp

Not the YouTuber
It'll be very interesting to see what happens to GamePass over the next 2-4 years.

I'm sure that as the price increases the churn will increase along with it and without hardware sales to replace users, overall revenue will begin to decline even with price increases.

People have been spinning this for years but Xbox revenue has done nothing but increase ever since Gamepass introduction even before the Acti acquisition.

In 2-4 years game pass will still be here and its revenue will be even higher then before.
 

Mibu no ookami

Demoted Member® Pro™
People have been spinning this for years but Xbox revenue has done nothing but increase ever since Gamepass introduction even before the Acti acquisition.

In 2-4 years game pass will still be here and its revenue will be even higher then before.

They just increased the price of GamePass last year and they're likely to do it again.

Xbox console sales are diminishing meaning there aren't enough new consumers to replace churning consumers.

As the price increases do you think they'll add more consumers or lose consumers?
 

Mattyp

Not the YouTuber
They just increased the price of GamePass last year and they're likely to do it again.

Xbox console sales are diminishing meaning there aren't enough new consumers to replace churning consumers.

As the price increases do you think they'll add more consumers or lose consumers?

They’ll continue to add customers on PC, a Switch2 variant and eventually I would reason a PlayStation one if they could get away with it.

The end game is they want gamepass on every screen possible.
 
Tell us you’ve never used Game Pass without telling us you’ve never used Game Pass.
You've watched movies on gamepass?

The difference is the number of screens that can be reached by making a single product.

Netflix doesn't care about the hardware behind the screen, it can stream on pretty much anything with a screen.

Games are more complicated, and they have more walled gardens.
 
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