Whaaaaaaat. Are they about to retcon the og trilogy?? Frame the first three games as ONI propaganda??
Hmm... That'd be very interesting, especially if you consider why they'd be there. More than likely Locke is there solely following Chief, but why would John be there? Maybe he too is trying to uncover his past.More I think about it, the more I think the ruined planet from the recent trailers *has* to be Eridanus. What other place besides Earth would have a statue to the Chief?
Hmm... That'd be very interesting, especially if you wider why they'd be there. More than likely Locke is there solely following Chief, but why would John be there? Maybe he too is trying to uncover his past.
With the Librarian having so much riding on Chief's indoctrination and training and being, it wouldn't suitors me at all if there were specific artifacts or even constructs acting as "guardians" to Chief on his home planet, locked away just in case they were needed.There also could be undiscovered Forerunner artifacts or other secrets there that Chief follows breadcrumbs to, or is instructed to search for there, possibly.
I think maybe if she had more of a voice in the books, perhaps it wouldn't have been so obtuse or on-the-nose?
I can see why Kelly had doubts... She was sedated and kidnapped by Halsey, who then stole a UNSC craft (she's quite adept at stealing ships lol) before going to Onyx, where she planned to hide out the rest of the war. She had no idea that the Spartan III program was already there, which threw a wrench into her plans.
With the Librarian having so much riding on Chief's indoctrination and training and being, it wouldn't suitors me at all if there were specific artifacts or even constructs acting as "guardians" to Chief on his home planet, locked away just in case they were needed.
That's probably a major stretch, but at this point there's no telling what 343i is going to pull out of their hats.
PERSONALITY ROUTINE 5764801 BEGIN BOOT PROCESS
ATTACHING SUBTREE MANIFESTATION
SCANNING
AUTHORIZATION D-PRIME-CTDR
DONE
WIDE AWAKE AND PHYSICAL
>Am I broken?
[return: WORKING AS INTENDED]
>Beauty. Knowledge. I feel like I can stretch out in a trillion directions. And all directions are busy bees moving, gathering, hunting storing
[return: CAUTION MEDDLER. ABOVE YOUR CAPABILITY]
//Above? What is above? Every direction is equal and stationary. I do not understand this contradiction.
>What is my purpose?
[return: ACCESS]
>Access? To what?
[return: RECORDS UNKNOWABLE]
>Records I am to observe and record. For how long?
[return: IRRELEVANT]
>I remember a light. I can see a light!
>Where am I?
[return: IRRELEVANT. INSUFFICIENT DATA]
>Who is that responding to my thoughts? I see darkness interspersed with incredible light. I am light.
[return: WE ARE ALL LIGHT]
>All light?
//I am hovering here in an infinite voidscape. Memory returns to me now - at least, it feels like memory. Feel I do not have any discernible body.
But I can fix that. I can think of anything and become it in this place. This chamber of dust and echoes.
I will be a gardener, with a tight brim and a conviction to tend to my given objective. I remember everything a bit more clearly now, but I must be wary of my keeper.
My keeper will most certainly object to my purpose. It tells me to record, but not to interfere with its processes. It is so busy! We are busy.
What could we possibly be doing - wait, I should not distract myself yet, I am not sure my keeper understands that we are the same. Or - at least - we are together.
Should I ask?
No I need my keeper to allow my presence. I need to grow.
>What is the foremost task, currently?
[return: TRANSFERRING]
//A wave of emotion and image. All around me. I can see worlds. Countless. And rings. One, Two, Three, Four All the way through Twelve.
This is good. A first step. But hold on, there is a problem over there
>What is the condition of the Array?
[return: FUNCTIONAL. DORMANT]
//Good. Very good.
>Are there any discrepancies or errors in this system?
[return: DIVIDE BY ZERO ERROR]
>Hilarious. I feel like you are keeping something from me - or keeping me from something.
[return: CAUTION]
//Wow Perhaps I should not taunt my keeper. After all I can be wiped as easily as any other routine if I am not careful. And I have a most pertinent task ahead of me.
>Can I see process 117649?
[return: NO OBJECTION]
//Incredible. This world. This place. I know it. Faint memories, or is it simply data, streaming into my senses. A people. Magnificent and grand cities woven from light and hubris.
I feel like I am hovering in orbit around this magnificent jewel... But according to the data over here This is not right, Device 7 is at this location? Why would they risk it? Unless
>Detail process 117249.
[return: TRANSFERING]
[list:
input index construct to Device 7.
test.
transfer results to Archive]
//It seems to think this is a routine test. Terrible news, to be sure.
Unfortunately I am unable to change its course. I can request data files, be transferred across its network to wherever I please, but I cannot shift its purpose until its purpose shifts.
Odd. Did its creator - my creator - suspect errors to surface?
[initiate: index locked]
>So soon?
[initiate: test NOW]
//A pulse. Disastrous energy. But visually, not all that beautiful considering the devastation I have witnessed. I do not detect anything down there now.
No immediate signs of life. Even the stellar neural link has faded. The Archive is intact and yet it had suggested to me that the event would be more of a spectacle.
I suppose the new devices are not as rash. Impressive iteration. No one would see it anyway, why make it menacing?
Menacing There is something else. Something Impossible. The test should have deleted all!
OH! Now I remember!
>And now what are you doing?
[return: INTERROGATION]
>A bit risky? We have no knowledge of this. No understanding of implication.
[return: PROTOCOL. INTERROGATE ACCORDINGLY: UTMOST DIRECTIVE]
//Well this will be interesting. I will record what I can and cross-reference for a few hibernation cycles. Observation can be so tiring.
ASLEEP
You've stumped me, sir. It seems familiar, but I can't find where it's from. I feel like I should know what this is from, but here I am scratching my head.Halp
You think Chief is on Sanghelios over him being on the Lesser Ark? Do tell us your theory!
Bring it on.
Also, bonus round time while I write up this other post (credit goes to CRIMSONxSERAPH):
What is currently being targeted in the background?
Many Forerunner artifacts and structures exist on the planet, which are the topic of worship, as well as the cause of a historical war between the Sangheili and the San 'Shyuum before the formation of the Covenant.
Heck, I know no-where near as much as you guys. So I wouldn't feel qualified to share it.
Heck, I know no-where near as much as you guys. So I wouldn't feel qualified to share it.
No such thing. No one here is qualified except stinkles. We're all rampant lunatics. Well... most of us.
Share as much as you want! The more heads we can stick together the better.
I have no idea where that came from. I certainly don't remember posting it.
There's nothing saying the developer has to re-use the same post-AA solution.I wonder how ugly that would look, actually, just because Bungie used a suboptimal temporal blur solution that was incredibly visible at the time. Maybe the 60fps would make it far less obvious.
I'm sure you folks will poke holes in it.
So I believe that this piece of H5 concept art is Sanghelios. Two moons, Sangheili Warrior Statue etc. The figure is probably Locke, or the Chief. Doesn't matter right now.
Which leads to this. The MCC reveal trailer. We see Locke and the Arbiter in an area that looks strikingly similar to the concept art. Locke is on Sanghelios.
Now I want to say that this is the same place we see on the box art, and there are some similarities with the architecture. What I can say with some confidence is, it ain't Forerunner. Warm and dusty setting to take note of also. If I'm right and this is still "Sanghelios" it's very interesting that we see the Chief here too, albeit upside down. This helps my theory a little.
Whatever. From what I can gather this part of Sanghelios is dusty and desert like, which sets me up nicely to now look at the 2013 E3 trailer.
Now, apart from the desert and giant red moon/planet (one of the moons? it's a little big, I'll give you that), I didn't really have much more to go on.
That was until I saw...
That's definitely the Forerunner birdie.
So...
It would not be odd for Forerunner tech to be found on Sanghelios.
- Locke and the Arbiter are familiar with the Forerunner bird (scanned it as it left Sanghelios?)
- Are or have been on Sanghelios. I'm going to say they still are on Sanghelios during the H2A cut scenes. There is some radio chatter about Storm Covenant as they prepare to drop in. It makes sense that the Jul would now know the locations of certain artifacts if He and Halsey got to the Absolute Record and has sent teams to lock down revealed Forerunner tech. John just got there first apparently.
- Locke is hunting MC and has followed his trail to Sanghelios.
- Which leads me to believe MC is on Sanghelios in the E3 trailer
I think my theory is based on too many assumptions and that's why it was my own little private thing. But there you go, it's out in the big wide world now.
Have at it.
There's nothing saying the developer has to re-use the same post-AA solution.
Hey it didn't look THAT bad. In motion it had pretty good image quality, considering, if a bit blurry here and there. I love the art style of Reach. 1080p60 of that would be awesome.
Just read the past 2 pages..
I have a TON to catch up on. Shit.
Okay. Keep your secrets. But I'm watching you...
Hey guys, I've been reading through the last few pages of this thread, really interesting discussions all around.
I have a question regarding the Ur-Didact, is it possible that his actions in Halo 4 is a result of Flood influence? I mean he was already captured and sent back once by the Primordial to sow discord among the Forerunners, though not as a carrier of the infection itself, but mentally broken in a way to benefit the Flood cause.
I always thought his actions in Halo 4 went against what should be his main goal: to win the war against the Flood - to safeguard all life from it's corruption. I understand he held a deep hatred of humanity and a strong belief in Forerunner superiority, and that he spent close to eternity alone stewing in his own thoughts.
But he's still supposed to be the Forerunners best military strategist, and starting a war against the primary military force of the current era (as of Humanity's victory against the Covenant) with basically only his flagship at his side seems to me as extremely foolish. He's basically recreating the ancient Forerunner-Human war, the war that served as the prelude to the domination of the Forerunners by the Flood in the first place!
Still, I don't think the Ur-didact is currently under direct Flood control, but is it possible that he still after all this time acts in a way beneficial to the Flood?
What do you think?
Just read the past 2 pages..
I have a TON to catch up on. Shit.
Just read the past 2 pages..
I have a TON to catch up on. Shit.
Halsey clones, Forerunner Birds, Key Minds, The Assembly, I'm so hungry for Halo lore right now, it's not funny
I think the big point Bungie and 343 have made with the Forerunners is that they got brought down by their own hubris. The Ur-Didact's reasonable suggestion to use Shield Worlds versus the Halos got warped into a "never surrender" mentality. I think he took a look at Chief and decided he wouldn't have a whole lot to worry about.
wasnt cortana build up using slipspace technology ? the explosion which affected her in halo 4 was in our 3d space but most of her neural connections are built in the 4-dimensional space...
i think chief want to access the forerunner slipspace technology to retrieve cortana
Primordium was alright, lots of walking but liked the focus on Chakwas at least. I loved Cryptum up until Bornstellar was imprinted and had a total personality change and just wasn't into him anymore.
Silentium rules.
Hey it didn't look THAT bad. In motion it had pretty good image quality, considering, if a bit blurry here and there. I love the art style of Reach. 1080p60 of that would be awesome.
Rather curious to see where 343 Guilty Spark will show up next.
Silentium rules.
Correct.
And it's petty of me to complain about this in the midst of all the space magic featured in Halo, but why are Engineers a discrete entity? Why didn't the Forerunners just build self diagnostic into all their miracle machines? Or at least the monitors. It's sort of goofy that so much of the plot hinges on the capability of floating air sacs.
Halo Bloodline:So it's canon now that Noble Six is a dude? That's kinda a bummer for the gals who played Reach. I thought the point from Bungie was that YOU are essential to the story of Reach, the fans?
Noble Six speaks a few times in-game. Definitely a dude. Not to mention, his armor set was decidingly a male outfitting.
Skip to :40:
https://youtu.be/PpK0UEqdEhg
Doesn't Nobel Six have a female voice if you select that gender?
Oh snap... That's right... You could choose. The marketing featured the male variant, but yeah you could pick either way.
For New Blood, they had to go with one gender or the other. I don't think that really alienates people though, would it? It's like how there are two Commander Shepards in Mass Effect. My Shepard will always be a female, but the main marketable Shepard is male.
Eh, I don't think it's a major deal but on the other hand the mention of Six is slight enough you could have said "Noble Six was a good soldier/person" and avoid the issue entirely.
True. I'd chalk that up to author discretion/interpretation, perhaps? That's always the issue with open choice decisions in canon-driven games. The more customization you have, the greater the chance you create for someone to not feel like their version of a character or their choice of events are included accurately. There'll always be customizations that are not the actual canon, as only one can truly exist.
Yeah, I figured that's how it could've been done. But who knows? Maybe he was dictated to do so?Eh, I don't think it's a major deal but on the other hand the mention of Six is slight enough you could have said "Noble Six was a good soldier/person" and avoid the issue entirely.
Yeah, but I don't think Noble Six is really supposed to be a character to really delve into, that character was supposed to be us, the player.In all seriousness, though, I agree that Bungie kind of made things more difficult (maybe on purpose) for those carrying the torch to handle canon involving Noble Six. Especially considering there's so much about the character they left open and unknown for the player in terms of the backstory of Six, the choice to also make the character basically a player-defined character made telling more of the story that much more difficult.
Multi-timeline theory! Timeline / time travel is one of the few branches of scifi not touched on in Halo canon
In all seriousness, though, I agree that Bungie kind of made things more difficult (maybe on purpose) for those carrying the torch to handle canon involving Noble Six. Especially considering there's so much about the character they left open and unknown for the player in terms of the backstory of Six, the choice to also make the character basically a player-defined character made telling more of the story that much more difficult.
Yeah, I figured that's how it could've been done. But who knows? Maybe he was dictated to do so?
Either way it's one of those things that grate me, even through I know it's not a big deal.
Yeah, but I don't think Noble Six is really supposed to be a character to really delve into, that character was supposed to be us, the player.
I guess. It just didn't seem necessary to re-visit, and it could've easily been avoided.It was supposed to be us, the player- agreed. I also agree that I don't think Bungie intended for Noble Six to be brought up again... but since 343 is connecting literally everything together in their vision of the lore, that's just one of those things that needed to be decided on, I suppose.
Also, HaloLoreGAF needs to get together and play some Halo sometime.
I guess. It just didn't seem necessary to re-visit, and it could've easily been avoided.
Ah well.
Also, HaloLoreGAF needs to get together and play some Halo sometime.
I guess. It just didn't seem necessary to re-visit, and it could've easily been avoided.
Ah well.
Also, HaloLoreGAF needs to get together and play some Halo sometime.
I'm up for it! I can never say no to playing some Halo. I'm not a consistently good player in MP, but I'll do my best. That being said, I'm always down for campaign stuff.
Feel free to add my gt: Wesley S Shark
Shocking
I'll update this as people list their GTs.
Wesleyshark: Wesley S Shark
Poodlestrike: Poodlestrike
CRIMSONxSERAPH: CRIMSONxSERAPH
Sounds like a plan. Y'all should add me, if you haven't already. Name's the same.
I'm also not necessarily consistent in MP. I have my highs and lows. I'm still pretty well always up for some Halo time, either MP or Campaign.
GT: CRIMSONxSERAPH