Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
I think as long as Sony 1st party take advantage of the DualSense, it is worth it. Any other game that uses it is just a bonus.
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I'm disappointed in the lack of Dualsense features in Elden Ring
right? my hands and wrists are so jacked from jerking off to video game girls all the time.Yea, I'm a bit disappointed as well. Ppl like to shit on the Dualsense for it's "gimmicks" but everything was once new and once a "gimmick" until it became standard and/or essential. I personally love any implementation of DualSense features. I would rather these companies try something new, keep trying to innovate versus just going "yup, we're good here. nothing more we can do, it's perfect"
I can just image if the trigger pressure needed scaled with the weight of the weaponthose with weak girly hands will say "that sounds terrible" not for my manly hands
... luckily you get the option to turn it off. See everyone wins.
itsjustJEFF
Member
I actually can't anymore. With the amount of grip strength and force I can generate, I'd just rip it clean off. Tested it on a horse... my pecker wouldn't stand a chance.
NikuNashi
Member
I wouldn't base anything off gaf thread replies, the most vocal here will be Xbox / PC gamers who have never touched a PS5.
After the amazing feeling of sword hitting shield on demon's souls it's terrible that from just ignored this. But they are a shit dev who happens to have a genius director, so it's no surprise the framerate is a slide show, graphics look like a mid level PS3 game, and there are no next gen features being utilized.
Hawking Radiation
Member
A third party game not supporting something for only one platform
| Game | Adaptive Triggers | Haptic Feedback | Release date |
|---|---|---|---|
| Alan Wake Remastered | Yes | - | Oct. 5, 2021 |
| Astro's Playroom | Yes | Yes | Nov. 12, 2020 |
| Assassin's Creed Valhalla | Yes | Yes | Nov. 10, 2020 |
| Avengers | Yes | Yes | 2021 |
| Back 4 Blood | Yes | Yes | Oct. 2021 |
| Borderlands 3 | Yes | Yes | Nov. 13, 2020 |
| Bugsnax | Yes | Yes | Nov. 12, 2020 |
| Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War | Yes | Yes | Nov. 13, 2020 |
| Call of Duty: Vanguard | Yes | Yes | Nov. 5, 2021 |
| Control | Yes | Yes | Feb. 2, 2021 |
| Crash Bandicoot 4: It's About Time | Yes | Yes | March 12, 2021 |
| Cyberpunk 2077 | Yes | Yes | Feb. 16, 2022 |
| Deathloop | Yes | Yes | Sept. 14, 2021 |
| Death's Door | Yes | Yes | Nov. 23, 2021 |
| Demon's Souls | Yes | Yes | Nov. 12, 2020 |
| Destruction AllStars | Yes | Yes | Feb. 2, 2021 |
| Devil May Cry 5 Special Edition | Yes | Yes | Nov. 12, 2020 |
| Diablo 2: Resurrected | - | Yes | 2021 |
| DiRT 5 | Yes | Yes | Nov. 12, 2020 |
| FIFA 21 | - | Yes | Dec. 4, 2020 |
| Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker | Yes | Yes | 2021 |
| Fortnite | Yes | Yes | Nov. 12, 2020 |
| Genshin Impact | Yes | Yes | July 21, 2021 |
| Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut | Yes | Yes | Aug. 20, 2021 |
| Ghostwire: Tokyo | Yes | Yes | March 25, 2022 |
| Godfall | Yes | Yes | Nov. 12, 2020 |
| God of War: Ragnarok | - | - | 2022 |
| Goodbye Volcano High | - | Yes | 2021 |
| Gran Turismo 7 | Yes | Yes | March 4, 2022 |
| Guardians of the Galaxy | Yes | Yes | Oct. 26, 2021 |
| Hades | Yes | - | Aug. 13, 2021 |
| Heavenly Bodies | Yes | Yes | - |
| Hell Let Loose | Yes | Yes | 2021 |
| Hogwarts Legacy | Yes | - | 2022 |
| Hood: Outlaws & Legends | - | - | May 7, 2021 |
| Horizon Forbidden West | Yes | Yes | Feb. 18, 2022 |
| Immortals Fenyx Rising | - | Yes | Dec. 3, 2020 |
| Jett: The Far Shore | - | Yes | 2021 |
| Kena: Bridge of Spirits | Yes | Yes | 2021 |
| Life is Strange: True Colors | Yes | Yes | Sept. 10, 2021 |
| Madden 21 | - | Yes | Dec. 4, 2020 |
| Maneater | - | Yes | Nov. 12, 2020 |
| Marvel's Avengers | Yes | Yes | March 18, 2021 |
| Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales | Yes | Yes | Nov. 12, 2020 |
| Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered | Yes | Yes | Nov. 12, 2020 |
| Marvel's Spider-Man 2 | Yes | Yes | 2023 |
| Marvel's Wolverine | Yes | Yes | - |
| Metro Exodus | Yes | Yes | June 18, 2021 |
| MXGP 2020 | Unknown | Unknown | Dec. 16, 2020 |
| NBA 2K21 | Yes | Yes | Nov. 12, 2020 |
| No Man's Sky | Yes | Yes | Nov. 12, 2020 |
| Nour: Play With Your Food | Yes | Yes | - |
| Observer: System Redux | Yes | Yes | Nov. 12, 2020 |
| Oddworld: Soulstorm | Yes | - | April 2021 |
| Overcooked! All You Can Eat | Unknown | Unknown | 2020 |
| Praey for the Gods | Unknown | Unknown | Q1 2021 |
| Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart | Yes | Yes | June 11, 2021 |
| Resident Evil Village | Yes | Yes | May 7, 2021 |
| Returnal | Yes | Yes | April 30, 2021 |
| Ride 4 | Yes | Yes | Jan. 2021 |
| Sackboy: A Big Adventure | Yes | - | Nov. 12, 2020 |
| Sifu | Yes | Yes | Feb. 8, 2022 |
| The Pathless | Yes | Yes | Nov. 12, 2020 |
| The Dark Pictures Anthology: House of Ashes | Yes | Yes | Oct. 22, 2021 |
| Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Collection | Yes | Yes | Jan. 28, 2022 |
| Warframe | Yes | Yes | Nov. 12, 2020 |
| Watch Dogs: Legion | Yes | Yes | Nov. 12, 2020 |
Look at all these devs wasting their time implementing dual sense features.
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Shakka43
Member
Except the majority of third party have actually added DualSense support to their games. Like it or not the features are here to stay and there is a much better chance of the next Xbox having something similar than not.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Xbox consoles will have similar features in future and then it will be the greatest thing ever. Those threads are coming lol
Its easy to see right through the BS warring of most here in this thread haha.
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
Well, this just isn’t true.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Hilarious to read posts like that with Cyberpunk being available on every platform out there and supporting these dualsense features.
Those are troll posts dude
Luipadre
Member
yeah like making a better lockon camera or optimizing the game right?
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
Do you really think it’s the same people that work on all these things?
Just like your painter doesn’t change your oil, they are completely seperate roles.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Can't believe this actually needs to be said lol.
Lol do people really think game developer is some broad term that describes an employee that overlooks every aspect of video game design?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
You really think adding ds support takes away from actual dev time ?
It’s an api that by default translates audio to vibration precisely. The triggers and order effects are custom.
No reason not to include the basic form of it in your game
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Gamerguy84
Member
There is a lot of technology built into the DS controller.
www.playstation.com
Adaptive triggers are extremely good. The first game I played without any extra features was a different experience. It felt a bit boring and I knew something was off.
You kind of take it for granted until it isn't there.
DualSense wireless controller | The innovative new controller for PS5 | PlayStation
Meet the DualSense wireless controller, the innovative new PS5 controller featuring haptic feedback, adaptive triggers and an iconic new design.
www.playstation.com
Adaptive triggers are extremely good. The first game I played without any extra features was a different experience. It felt a bit boring and I knew something was off.
You kind of take it for granted until it isn't there.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
Agreed. Demon’s Souls feels amazing when using sorceries, etc. Elden Ring would be that much better with those features.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Never said they wasted their time, but you can't really expect a third party dev to support a feature for one platform.
Hawking Radiation
Member
But these guys clearly did. Cyberpunk is on every platform including Stadia and you can probably find it running on a calculator somewhere and they have dual sense features implemented into their game.
At this point with the amount of developers that have released dual sense support for their games its not too unreasonable to expect a new release AAA game to follow suit.
Captain Toad
Banned
Lol riiiiiiiight......
FrankWza
Member
Of course it is. Especially from the users writing it in here.
Chronicle
Member
That statement makes no sense whatsoever. Let's look at it carefully. How do you not get features to be used on your controller? Don't have those options to be used on your controller.
How do you get features implemented on your controller? Have them on your controller to be used.
Whether or not a developer wishes to use them or not is not because those features are available. It's the availability that enables them to be used.
01011001
Banned
yeah... I mean, there was Switch like HD Rumble features for subtle rumble for some things, but that shit is as forgettable as it gets
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
usually when people denote something as a gimmick they use it in a negative context... hell look at the people in this thread
while i'm kind of disappointed that the only real thing they brought to the table with the PS5 controller is haptics i feel that this way of rumble should be the future of how game rumble is handled. it's simply better, and i don't see why we should denote it as a gimmick
shit like this stays a gimmick because you guys are so apathetic and hostile towards trying to make it standardized in games and game consoles. that's why it's a gimmick. imagine if the analog stick had this kind of pushback, we would still be playing video games on Dpads. I guarantee you that if neogaf existed in 1995 and they introduced that with the N64, the same people here disparaging the dualsense's haptics would be the same guys talking about how worthless the N64's analog stick is.
supernova8
Banned
supernova8
Banned
Analog sticks (full motion ones) gave us 360 movement versus just up, down, left, right and then dual analog sticks made it far easier to move and control the camera (in games where that is the case). Imagine trying to play a modern 3D FPS with an original SNES or PS1 (without analog sticks) controller. Yeah, you basically can't. You can definitely play any game without rumble, though.
Also I don't really agree that people shitting on the N64's analog stick would have killed analog sticks. As I highlighted above, the very nature of 3D games means that something like analog sticks would have been adopted eventually. Having said that, I am glad we didn't go with those Microsoft shiny red ball mouse style stuff or Steam's trackpad stuff.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Most 3rd parties won't bother.
Saber
Member
No, I just think its a waste of time. Resolving around a gimmick won't matter, people gonna play the game for its own merits, regardless of a function of a controller.
If you guys got a problem just send directly complains to them. No need to get touchy just because I think it's a waste of time, in no point I'm here trying to prove or disprove anything. Players gonna survive without it.
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64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
in that case, pessimists would argue that 360 degree movement is a gimmick and that cardinal only directions work fine for games and they should focus more on other aspects like "worldbuilding" or "performance"
01011001
Banned
I sure like the ergonomics of the DualShock 4 way better. the handles on the Dualsense are just bulky and weirdly shaped. makes my hands hurt after an hour of playing anything. never had that issue on the DS4 unless playing racing games since holding down R2 will push the controller upwards and that will cramp up your hands over time because you subconsciously will try to hold it in place with your palms... that is 1 area where the Dualsense is better, but not by much
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captainraincoat
Banned
Elden ring you are already fighting to stay alive from being one shot by something let alone fighting the controller….maybe it was a deliberate design choice
A Most Virtuous Cat
Banned
I know as I play on a PS5, but they are still not fast enough given other games like FF7 Remake, RE8 etc.
Team Andromeda
Member
Lets face it, this game barely has any next-gen features
Robb
Gold Member
Pretty expected imo, this is pretty much always the case with gimmicks.. Even if they’re great. First party games tend to use them to great effect, big 3rd party games tend to use them to great effect early on and then less as time goes on.
Just look at the back touchpad on Vita, microphone in the Wii-remote/or even the motion controls themselves (which mainly turned in to waggle in 3rd party titles), “isometric gameplay” on WiiU, HD rumble on Switch, touchpad on Ps4 etc. etc.
Just look at the back touchpad on Vita, microphone in the Wii-remote/or even the motion controls themselves (which mainly turned in to waggle in 3rd party titles), “isometric gameplay” on WiiU, HD rumble on Switch, touchpad on Ps4 etc. etc.
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From Software is not really known for their technical competence so no wonder it has no support for the new feedback/rumble.
Personally, this is one of the most interesting features of the PS5/next gen. My PC is, performance-wise, on par with the PS5 and in all honestly, visual quality is already up to a level that games don't benefit that much from it so I don't need a PS5 for its pure performance and two or three exclusives I'm interested it (also never played a game completely that looked amazing but played like shit; I did, however, vice versa). But after playing F1 2021 on PC with the DualSense I was sold. Feeling, on the trigger, when tyres are about to lock up under breaking or lose traction when accelerating was amazing. Never thought I could have such precise control and good feeling on a gamepad. And although I'm owning a Thrustmaster T300 RS I still use for iRacing, I've found myself more often playing with the gamepad because of its easy 'hop-in' nature and good feeling.
In Deathloop the DualSense transports the protagonist's steps and their intensity; I can not only hear the loudness of my steps but can also feel it. Light steps feel different on the DualSense than faster walking speed or sprinting. Pulling the trigger is probably as close as it gets of pulling a real trigger with a gamepad; you have this ever so subtle resistance when shooting, it just feels satisfying.
I'm planning to get Elden Ring nonetheless of course, but it would have been cool if they added this feature.
Personally, this is one of the most interesting features of the PS5/next gen. My PC is, performance-wise, on par with the PS5 and in all honestly, visual quality is already up to a level that games don't benefit that much from it so I don't need a PS5 for its pure performance and two or three exclusives I'm interested it (also never played a game completely that looked amazing but played like shit; I did, however, vice versa). But after playing F1 2021 on PC with the DualSense I was sold. Feeling, on the trigger, when tyres are about to lock up under breaking or lose traction when accelerating was amazing. Never thought I could have such precise control and good feeling on a gamepad. And although I'm owning a Thrustmaster T300 RS I still use for iRacing, I've found myself more often playing with the gamepad because of its easy 'hop-in' nature and good feeling.
In Deathloop the DualSense transports the protagonist's steps and their intensity; I can not only hear the loudness of my steps but can also feel it. Light steps feel different on the DualSense than faster walking speed or sprinting. Pulling the trigger is probably as close as it gets of pulling a real trigger with a gamepad; you have this ever so subtle resistance when shooting, it just feels satisfying.
I'm planning to get Elden Ring nonetheless of course, but it would have been cool if they added this feature.
Banjo64
cumsessed
I certainly hope not, and if they do the first thing I’ll do is disable it like it’s disabled on my Dualsense.
I guess because Sony have done it you have to like it or else you are a just troll/warrior/shill. The truth is haptics (smart rumble aside) are just not a plus point for a lot of people.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
A lot of people?
Are you running a survey or something? For me if a game is comparable across platforms graphics and gameplay wise, DualSense features are the tie breaker. Gyro+Accelerometer, proper Haptics, etc… are a great combo, the XSX controller did a great jump forward with the DPad (Amazon) but they are lacking some features IMHO.
I noticed that for the games I dual dip on tend to be on platforms where I have these additional features (see Switch too). For some rare ones like DOOM64 I will happily triple dip.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Yeah mate a lot of people, just like a lot of people also like it. Unless you think it’s just me and like 3 other people in the world who have disabled the haptics?
Y0ssarian
Banned
Correct
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I'm turning that off day one if it comes to Xbox. It seems like most devs are too lazy to properly implement it.
TrebleShot
Member
Dualsense is a game changer and is absolutely brilllaint.
Play GT7 then go play FH5.
95% games I’ve played on PS5 support it even little indie devs support it and put it on their bullet point lists to sell the game.
People who don’t like it don’t season their chicken and it shows.
Play GT7 then go play FH5.
95% games I’ve played on PS5 support it even little indie devs support it and put it on their bullet point lists to sell the game.
People who don’t like it don’t season their chicken and it shows.
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