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Magic: the Gathering |OT8| Eldritch Moon - It's only a paper (and digital) moon
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm wondering if the Bant Company (either flavor) deck will just become the straight-up best deck with the addition of Thalia and Spell Queller. Those cards shore up the only sort-of bad matchups it has to begin with (e.g. BW Control).
Oh Hai Wild Mongrel
I'm surprised they were okay with printing it, even if it doesn't seem that great in Modern forward.
Oh Hai Wild Mongrel
A) WOW
B) Why the hell does this guy let you discard as much as you want when almost every other discard outlet in this block has a restriction of one sort or another. Green isn't even a Madness color in this block. FFS WOTC
SigmasonicX
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Oh Hai Wild Mongrel
Huh, I really didn't expect them to basically reprint Wild Mongrel, and in strictly better form, at that.
EDIT:
I'm pretty sure that's the point. Green isn't a madness color, so to use it for madness, you'd have to stretch into another color.
What's the ceiling on these?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You can technically discard as much as you want with Ravenous Bloodseeker by holding priority and using it a lot. =V
Yeah, Madness definitely was an archetype that needed to be slowed down a bit.
I know you didn't really mean it that way. I'm just salty at WotC
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I forgot Madness was even in this set because there aren't any Madness cards.
Cavern is at its highest point, pricewise, too. That's GOTTA be getting a reprint at some point right?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I don't care about anything else if they reprint cavern Imma draft every week twice.
Nah son she's wielding them telekinetically alongside the ones in her hand. fuckin' badass
"God's Beard!"
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Even just conceptually with half the set spoiled bant company is looking dumb.
4 Duskwatch Recruiter
4 Wharf Infiltrator
4 Sylvan Advocate
3 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
4 Spell Queller
4 Reflector Mage
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Collected Company
2 Ojutai's Command
3 Unsubstantiate
Lands
2 Forest
3 Island
3 Plains
2 Canopy Vista
4 Evolving Wilds
2 Fortified Village
4 Lumbering Falls
4 Prairie Stream
1 Westvale Abbey
Sideboard
2 Archangel Avacyn
4 Tireless Tracker
2 Dromoka's Command
1 Dispel
2 Negate
2 Declaration in Stone
1 Naturalize
1 Felidar Cub
4 Duskwatch Recruiter
4 Wharf Infiltrator
4 Sylvan Advocate
3 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
4 Spell Queller
4 Reflector Mage
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Collected Company
2 Ojutai's Command
3 Unsubstantiate
Lands
2 Forest
3 Island
3 Plains
2 Canopy Vista
4 Evolving Wilds
2 Fortified Village
4 Lumbering Falls
4 Prairie Stream
1 Westvale Abbey
Sideboard
2 Archangel Avacyn
4 Tireless Tracker
2 Dromoka's Command
1 Dispel
2 Negate
2 Declaration in Stone
1 Naturalize
1 Felidar Cub
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Nah son she's wielding them telekinetically alongside the ones in her hand. fuckin' badass
to do what? Seems edgelord to me, like straight up a move out of a shounen manga. Especially with the dull side in the front.
Great caption.
Oh Hai Wild Mongrel
Sick card. So much value for 2 mana.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Dromoka's Command is better than Ojutai's Command in that deck. Probably better than Unsubstantiate.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
"God's Beard!"
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Maybe, hard to say. It's entirely possible that Dromoka's Command is just better due to how the format shakes out(lots of mirrors etc). It's the sort of card that relies a lot on context. Unsubstantiate has gotta be nuts though. It's a deck that already wants to be super tempo based, and remanding a wrath or bouncing your own etb effect creature is pretty sweet. I do like Ojutai's Command as at least a 1-of with the extra looting and 2 mana creature in Wharf Infiltrator, though.
Storm. Needs an EMA, unfort.
It could actually work in Conspiracy. In big multiplayer games you have enough people casting spells that getting enough of a storm count to make it playable shouldn't be an issue.
Oh ya, that too.
Oh, yeah, this would be GREAT for Conspiracy 2. So it won't be in.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Only noticed now the snake has reach, compared to mongrel it dies to doomblade is all I can think of why it'd be worse.
NOOSE CONSTRICTOR? IM GONNA EAT YA
yessssssssssssssssss this is what I imagine Nahiri is doing
I'm just ready for the full spoiler - I wants to brew brehs.
Also I expect equipment hidden in that spoiler - they don't want to hype equipment until Kaladesh.
shhh do you hear that? that's the sound of red13th replacing another cube card with Noose Constrictor
yessssssssssssssssss this is what I imagine Nahiri is doing
I'm just ready for the full spoiler - I wants to brew brehs.
Also I expect equipment hidden in that spoiler - they don't want to hype equipment until Kaladesh.
shhh do you hear that? that's the sound of red13th replacing another cube card with Noose Constrictor
Oh Hai Wild Mongrel
So the best madness enabler in a set where madness is primarily red is green.
Ok.
Still can't understand why in a block about madness and red we didn't get a single good red enabler for madness AND overcosted madness cards.
Like srsly wat.
charlequin
Banned
I mean, "problem" in what sense? The point he makes is that if you're in it for the long haul, it's worthwhile buying out Reserved List cards that will be played long-term, not to artificially boost their price right away, but because if they're underpriced for any point in your time horizon you can get all of them at today's price and take all the arbitrage for yourself -- and because they're on the Reserved List, they're far closer to guaranteed to go up than other cards.
Like, if it takes him three years to unload his Moats (and he winds up taking a haircut on the new higher price on the last X% of them) he still makes out well as long as he can legitimately float this cash; it's still going to turn out to be a higher return than a lot of options. He's basically in the same business here as a storefront that deals in old cards, except he's doing it selectively instead of with the intention of maintaining a consistent inventory.
No it's not. In fact, we have a pretty good idea of how many Moats there are in the world: around 19,000, minus all the ones lost or destroyed in the last two decades. The question is really more how many liquid (excuse the pun) Moats there are. Approximately every person who owns a full Vintage or Legacy deck already has a set that will never, ever go anywhere. Every person who has a full Legends set has one that's not going anywhere without extraordinary measures. By a quick scan, there's probably only 40-60 currently for sale on the internet, so if there were 80 last week the guy took a big chunk out of the liquid supply.
YASSSSSSSSSS
Yeah, I mean, Conspiracy 1 was their first toe in the pool of reprinting pre-Modern cards of valu.e
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I'm telling you it's actually just money laundering.
That's just the ones in English. Italian legends was printed in far bigger numbers iirc
I hate that snake! I don't want to cut Mongrel from my cube, he's so cute and the new snake is ugly. But I think Reach is better than colour changing. But Mongrel!
Mongrel cant be killed by doomblade and we all now that its the most important factor in deciding how good a creature is.
Wizards too spooked about making something ridiculous like the madness/threshold deck and instead made a bunch of trash.
I was interested in this until I realized it couldn't target players. That's probably for the best though, as that would be ridiculous.
LOL if this targeted players it'd be the most hilariously overpowered card ever
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The problem is that selling 41 Moats to begin with is going to be a hard sell, much less 41 Moats at 200% of what you bought 41 Moats at, given that over time you either have to keep buying all of the Moats that go up for sale to artificially prop up the price or just sell at market value, which means you probably aren't making money and to the extent you are, you could have had a far better ROI by just putting your Moat Money in a Mutual Fund or something.
The problem here is that unlike what Martin Shkreli did, the demand for what he's trying to monopolize is far more fluid (people don't HAVE to buy Moats) and he can't realistically control supply in the long term. The long and short of it is that I don't think his strategy is an effective one to increase the price of Moat in the long term, nor is it calculated to make a profit in the short term as a pump n' dump (because someone like SCG isn't going to buylist your 41 Moats at an arbitrary higher price you set). There have been plenty of stories of guys like this who do this and come out with like $250 in profit for dozens of hours of work.
It's even more impressive given just how easy it is to do bad fantasy writing.
Great. A worse Firestorm at mythic.
I was interested in this until I realized it couldn't target players. That's probably for the best though, as that would be ridiculous.
I thought it was next week.
It'd be a bad SnT tbh. Which would be a good card in standard mind you, but totally unplayable in old formats. Draco-explosion is an incredibly janky deck by today's standards. I doubt it'd be even playable in modern. It'd be countered by a Rhino, an helix, or just countering a single spell after a chain of setup spells.
Had it targeted player, it would be a considerably pushed card, but i doubt it'd even break standard, when the best thing you could discard is emrakul for 13 damage. And the problem with those decks (erratic explosion style) has always been the fact that for the combo you need either a lot of uncastable incredibly high cmc cards, or a long janky setup and tutors where every piece is counterable, plus it's still only 13 damage and not straight 20 like old saproburst was, for example.
EDIT: disregard this, see my post below.
SigmasonicX
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Not really. The damage output is way different, and you don't need X targets.
EDIT: Remember, it's the total cost of every card discarded, so you could pitch Emrakul and other cards to get up to 20.
How is it completely worse? It's Sorcery, costs more and doesn't hit players but it also deals a lot more damage. Card would be absolutely insane if hit players, you would just run all Eldrazi and blow up your opponents on turn 3.
Oh right, CMC sum, that make it considerably better. It'd be straight busted in SnT decks lol. Nvm my previous post. Still don't see why they didn't make it single discard and any target. How often do you need to nuke creatures for 20 damage anyway.
only you can discard multiple cards, not just one, and it deals the sum of the CMC. then just imagine it'd allow you to re-target.
e.g.
discard two 5 CMC cards
deal 10 damage to 2 targets
select player twice
win the game
you could easily win the game turn 2/3 every game if the opponent doesn't have a 2-3 mana counter readily available.
edit: beaten to the punch
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It is. They have a week of more Legacy festival nonsense.
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