Probably. But based on Capcom's history, they shouldn't get any leniency.
6PM PST today assuming there's no leak beforehand.
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Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster Discussion Thread
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Probably. But based on Capcom's history, they shouldn't get any leniency.
6PM PST today assuming there's no leak beforehand.
True, though Capcom isn't completely free of blame in other respects.
Really? You think they that dumb?
How about the takeaway being not have such a crap roster at launch, keep the traditional mechanics of what made your games popular, and not look visually bland?
witchedwiz
Member
dbf looks interesting, but i wonder how differently effectively the characters will play..
arcsys games worked incredibly because most of the characters played in a VERY VERY different way..
take blazblue for example...
in dbz, what do you expect in terms of difference between goku ssj and gohan ssj?
both sayian, both going close and personal with kamehameha and chi-bullet...
what else? :|
conceptually the game is COOL, but practically i'm a bit concerned...
only time will tell i guess...
crimzonflame
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What did Capcom learn from SFxT?
Doctrine Dark
Member
I've seen some people talk about the MCU look of the game probably being a Marvel decision.
Outside of mechanics, does anyone really believe Marvel had more influence outside of its characters?
Outside of mechanics, does anyone really believe Marvel had more influence outside of its characters?
Marvel touted that they're more involved than before, being more of a co-developer this time.
Just woke up and watched that new DBF gameplay... then I went back and watched some of that MvCI gameplay from April to compare.
RIP Capcom, your time is up their time is now.
I dunno about you, but i will get both games.
Then let this shit end... it's time for a new series to #riseup
I am sure they (ACW) know what they're doing. They have been in the game for a long time.
Killa Sasa
Member
If the question is Capcom (brass) that dumb, the answer is yes re: killing after one misstep. Nintendo and apparently Konami level for tone deafness sometimes. When they get it right they really do, but when they're wrong it's pretty damn wrong.
Here's hoping they blow it out of the water today. I really want this game to be badass as Marvel owns my favorite stable of characters.
Truth, sometimes a deep breath is needed for some
Here's hoping they blow it out of the water today. I really want this game to be badass as Marvel owns my favorite stable of characters.
Truth, sometimes a deep breath is needed for some
Doctrine Dark
Member
I'm starting to believe this might be the bigger issue.
If Marvel not only choose the roster, but also influenced the aesthetic, then it almost seems like Capcom's creativity outside of the mechanics is limited. This is obviously spectulation, but not the least bit surprising if true.
I thought you were waiting for Marvel's latest gameplay vids to decide if it sucked or not?
Why is it a reward-punish duality? Why can't someone enjoy something for what it is, and their purchase not being wholly dependent on a specific issue like roster selection? Maybe I buy Capcom games because I'm supporting the gameplay and mechanics even if I don't agree with all of their practices?
The vindictiveness and self-righteousness is too much when people want to see a company and franchise burn because its not their ideal. You can be disappointed, you can abstain from purchasing for any reason you choose (and there are many good ones for MvC:I) as a consumer, but the degree to which people piece out what they deserve and what developers deserve is uncomforting at times. Especially when it comes to things like roster. Look how pissed people were about MvC3s roster too (obviously less so but people were), although in retrospect people grew to be attached to those they thought were squatting on slots they felt other characters deserved.
I don't think I'm explaining my point right but tl;dr: y'all doing too much with these narratives.
We only have evidence to the contrary.
TheSpoiler
Member
To be fair 2v2 can be considered traditional more so than 3v3. MVC1, MSHVS, and XVSSF were all 2v2. TvC as well if you wanna count that game. Only MVC 2 and 3 were 3v3.
Vindictive is this site's middle name. It's encouraged here.
To be fair, Marvel's been spouting lies in their PR since the beginning if we're going off of the Ryce leak.
It's simply voting with your wallet, you either like what you see or you don't. If you are a big enough of a fan to pay for the day 1 product and the DLC shenanigans despite not liking its direction then that's fine.
I don't see what's so strange about people being hostile towards something that is not what they expected from a sequel to a series that they like. If they find the visuals, roster, DLC model etc. disappointing then it only makes sense that they wouldn't want to support.
It's less about wanting to see the franchise burn (speaking of actual fans here, not people who don't like the series to begin with) but sending a message to the devs that they are off the mark. Paying for something 'just because' only sends the wrong message.
TRUE ORDER
Member
I still remember the sentence "Legacy will not be lost" or something among those words.
They should have said that it would be that way but with DLC...
The Broken Ska Record
Member
Honestly, they've been having "issues" for a while. Way before DmC was announced. It's just that a lot of it is more visible now.
PS2-era Capcom was pretty much their pinnacle.
I am and i personally still have a lot of issues with that dragon ball game so it's not like i'm jumping on that bandwagon. But if MvCI ends up being bad like a lot of people are fearing then yeah, just let this franchise end and let another game to take its spot. I'm absolutely fine with that.
direct_quote
Member
Well once clover studio was shutdown, kind of signalled a change. Capcom lost two of its best directors..
I mean........kinda? Idk. While Capcom does try their hand in addressing immediate mistakes, there seems to be a confusing pattern where they're unable to take into account collective feedback from prior and build from that...which brings them to make the same stupid mistakes again and again. It's frustrating and maddening and I have no freaking clue why they are the the way they are. It's not as if smaller guys aren't making efficient products with low budgets, so really, what is their excuse???
I tolerate their BS because at the end of the day I'm a stan and their games are generally fun-tier, but I seriously don't fault people for blasting them or calling it quits.
That's probably when they started to become visible. You are definitely right on PS2-era Capcom.
I think I am in the right to assume majority of the fan-base wanted 3v3.
This is true. Hell outside of Kobayashi, Itsuno, & Ono, who else is left from that time?
SolarPowered
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This just doesn't look like a Capcom game at all from what I've seen and if I ever do buy it it'll probably be mostly because of the Capcom roster. Marvel's choices couldn't be more boring if they tried.
JeTmAn81
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3v3 is the established paradigm for MvC after nearly 20 years of that gameplay system. It's definitely one of the things I love most about Marvel 3, but it would be disingenuous to act like the series doesn't have its roots in other types of tag-team gameplay.
TheSpoiler
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Maybe. But that's not what you said. You said traditional. Which 3v3 isn't. And while the fanbase might think that, it's because most of them started with MVC2.
So what you and others really mean is I want a game like 2 and 3.
direct_quote
Member
I started on MvC 1 and SFxXmen and kind of looking forward to the 2v2 gameplay.
DR2K
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MVC1 had assists and XVSF had a great roster. Both absent in MVCi
That's fair.
All I wanted from the next Marvel installment to be a sequel to Marvel vs Capcom 3, and carry on with the established mechanics from 2. They could have played it safe and pleased a lot of people but noooooooo.
direct_quote
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The assists we're weird and gimicky in MvC1 and you still only controlled 2 characters.
I wouldn't hold up that form of assists as something to aspire to.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
look better? Art style rarely changed during development. There is only one game that I could think of that changed during the development is pretty much Borderlands?
JeTmAn81
Member
Of course it will be improved. The only way that wouldn't happen is if nobody was working on it, and Capcom must be working furiously behind the scenes to make MVCI meet expectations. It's why I don't believe that leaked roster will be reflected in the final game. Even if that's the real roster right now, they've got three months to fix it.
Edit: I miss Juggie! He was a staple of the earlier games and a welcome big body.
direct_quote
Member
It could be possible that shaders and such could be added later, but people expecting drastic changes will be disappointed..
Amazing roster. Truly, lol.
That marvel side is better than infinite's.
I don't care for MCU minues GotG.
Tizoc
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Amazing roster. Truly, lol.
XvSF's roster is pretty simple and cool. For the time it was mindblowing and nowadays it still holds up imo.
crimzonflame
Member
Amazing roster. Truly, lol.
What would have been a better roster for X-Men vs SF? Its only missing Sakura.
Edit: Add Psylocke too and thats a GD roster.
I mean, yeah, it's one of my favorite games ever. But it's missing pretty much everybody I liked from CotA.
Psylocke, Spiral, Sentinel, Omega Red on the Xmen Side.
Take your pic of A2 characters for SF. I'm still bitter we haven't seen Sagat in a vs. game.
People mad that Xmen aren't in MvC:I. I don't think the roster is very good (especially Capcom Side), but vs. games up until MvC2 had pretty bad rosters. XvS gets a pass since it was the first of its kind, but it was still lacking.
You guys talk about the "legacy" and old school versus as if most people even cared about those games.
The massive appeal for the series started in Marvel 2 for most people. That insane roster, 3v3 game play, assists, DHCs etc. Even Marvel 1 was low key compared to it. Most people may have played around with a couple of the older VS games but Marvel 2 is the one that almost everyone is familiar with.
To be honest the Marvel vs Capcom series started with Marvel 2 when it came to the core fundamentals that people hooked on to the most and Marvel 3 was a sequel. Marvel Infinite is a sequel to games long forgotten and quite frankly far surpassed even in the supposed "dark ages" of fighting games.
Like great, your favorite VS game ever was XvsSF or Marvel vs SF and you are stoked that your personal tastes are being catered to but just know that you are not in the majority here.
And I say this as someone who has played these games since god damn Children of the Atom in the arcades. I feel like it's in Marvel 2 where the VS series finally solidified its own niche, before that it was like a Darkstalker-esque game with weird new mechanics thrown in every iteration until the culmination that was Marvel 2.
The massive appeal for the series started in Marvel 2 for most people. That insane roster, 3v3 game play, assists, DHCs etc. Even Marvel 1 was low key compared to it. Most people may have played around with a couple of the older VS games but Marvel 2 is the one that almost everyone is familiar with.
To be honest the Marvel vs Capcom series started with Marvel 2 when it came to the core fundamentals that people hooked on to the most and Marvel 3 was a sequel. Marvel Infinite is a sequel to games long forgotten and quite frankly far surpassed even in the supposed "dark ages" of fighting games.
Like great, your favorite VS game ever was XvsSF or Marvel vs SF and you are stoked that your personal tastes are being catered to but just know that you are not in the majority here.
And I say this as someone who has played these games since god damn Children of the Atom in the arcades. I feel like it's in Marvel 2 where the VS series finally solidified its own niche, before that it was like a Darkstalker-esque game with weird new mechanics thrown in every iteration until the culmination that was Marvel 2.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
On a personal level, it's not so much a desire for the game to fail, but rather:
1) My expectations are at rock-bottom regarding Capcom learning anything from SFV, as we're 3 months out from release and have little indication that this won't be another rushed product that's light on content to draw in casual players, from the roster size to single-player modes.
2) This game abandons the core gameplay aspects of MvC that distinguished it from any other mainstream fighter on the market for 17 years, which pretty much kills my interest entirely, because it's those team aspects that drew me into the game in the first place and kept me playing.
3) The existence of DBZ scratches the itch that this game doesn't and implies that I won't have to "settle" for less, leaving me free to move on to greener pastures.
I don't have to force myself to be optimistic about this game because I basically have no investment in it now.
For real.
MvC2 launch to present day is 17 years, but people bring up the 4-year time frame between XvsSF and MvC2 like it's supposed to be relevant in comparison?
DR2K
Banned
Amazing roster. Truly, lol.
My personal favorite is the row of shoto clones.
Superior roster. Everything people wanted, especially at the time. You're probably too young to remember, that's ok.
Ken and Ryu play nothing alike in the vs series. You don't need a stupid waste of a character slot for gameplay diversity. You can bring in fan favorites and make them unique. Capcom had talent for it back in the day
crimzonflame
Member
lol thank you. Was about to say this.
Didn't realize characters like Dan, Blackheart, Shuma Gorath, Charlie and Omega Red were fan favorites..
Those rosters were not that impressive man. Maybe if all you cared about were SF and X Men characters but both Capcom and Marvel have far bigger variety than that. Too bad they went the opposite direction in Infinite by focusing solely on MCU initially.
Those rosters were not that impressive man. Maybe if all you cared about were SF and X Men characters but both Capcom and Marvel have far bigger variety than that. Too bad they went the opposite direction in Infinite by focusing solely on MCU initially.
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