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Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster Discussion Thread

I don't think Capcom "messed up" with SFV completely as it's still one of the most popular fighters right now in terms of player base, competition and viewership. Of course thier launch was bad but they have improved a lot since then and are continuing to grow. With MvCi, despite it's shoddy presentation, still has the potential to give us unique and solid gameplay with some good casual content, so I think we should wait to see how it pans out.

I love Dragonball as much as the next guy and I'm looking forward to the game, however I think a lot of childhood nostalgia for that series and "Mahvel-assist-syndrome" is taking place at the moment that seems to be clouding people's judgement on a) hoping the game meets their requirements and expectations simply because it's DB and b) it has assists so therefore it must mean it's a better game because learning a new MvC game with new mechanics is scary.
Rational thought? In THIS thread?
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
Yep but Capcom got Shuma in there...

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/games/marvel-vs-capcom/261165/the-legacy-of-marvel-vs-capcom

...The game also featured Shuma-Gorath, which was outright weird.
Apparently, Capcom really wanted this obscure Dr. Strange villain to appear in the game and Marvel shruggingly let them.
True, but Shuma & Sentinel were the only ones Capcom got in, & you could attribute that to Seth Killian's negotiation skills. Now it's clear that Marvel has 100% control over their side.
 

Seyavesh

Member
What are you guys expecting tonight because I think they'll show a trailer introducing some new characters and that's it.

2 new characters, 4 old characters all from ryce's leak list. that will put in the next 2 months on schedule for revealing the last chars of that 28 char w/ similar amounts of chars being revealed
increasingly shitty looking gameplay
btw when is morrigans mvc1 theme gonna return? that shit is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzGoUKYcq-8
 

Anth0ny

Member
What are you guys expecting tonight because I think they'll show a trailer introducing some new characters and that's it.

I'm expecting x/4 new characters and how another gem works.

x = total amount of launch characters

/4 because they need to spread the reveals across E3, Evo, SDCC and Pax Prime.
 
This board is a ship. There's another ship across from us that's showing the booty our captain refuses to give to us. Within a few hours, we all may just commit mutiny.
 

cordy

Banned
And 7 meters, and teleports for roman cancels, and homing dashes, and no incoming character mixups with round changes to neutral position upon character deaths, and tag mixups like MVCI is trying to replace assists with, and parry like perfect guards...

It has enough to make a difference. Dragonball FighterZ is more than just a brand attachment. Its doing a lot of quality of life work there.

I really wish MVCI had assists now more than ever. Considering its only things were the gems and tag shenanigans and DBFZ has half of that I really think its gonna need to step up its game. As is, MVCI cut out a lot of stuff to replace it with new things, where as DBFZ kept all the old stuff, plus the new MVCI tag stuff, plus added even more on top.

Marvel better kill it with their roster at this point.

100%.
 

Jawmuncher

Member
Yeah they'll either show basically the whole roster or only a few.
Curious if they show only a few though, who they will be. Since after that leak. People will just be checking off the list and crying as more and more show up. If they could do anything to garner back some fan goodwill. They'd need to throw a wrench into the Ryce leak. But I doubt they have anything that could even do that. Since I doubt they can move around DLC and currently finished characters.
 

Anth0ny

Member
And 7 meters, and teleports for roman cancels, and homing dashes, and no incoming character mixups with round changes to neutral position upon character deaths, and tag mixups like MVCI is trying to replace assists with, and parry like perfect guards...

It has enough to make a difference. Dragonball FighterZ is more than just a brand attachment. Its doing a lot of quality of life work there.

I really wish MVCI had assists now more than ever. Considering its only things were the gems and tag shenanigans and DBFZ has half of that I really think its gonna need to step up its game. As is, MVCI cut out a lot of stuff to replace it with new things, where as DBFZ kept all the old stuff, plus the new MVCI tag stuff, plus added even more on top.

Marvel better kill it with their roster at this point.

It's literally blowing my mind how much it feels like the real evolution of the Marvel vs. Capcom formula.

If they could farm out Marvel 4 to Ark Sys to do all of the art for the game, take notes from DBZ when it comes to game mechanics, and then leave the actual gameplay design and balancing to Capcom itself.... we have the perfect game.

DBZ is already damn close to the perfect game just from watching that gameplay. I mean god damn. I never thought I'd get Marvel 2 vibes like that again.
 

Jawmuncher

Member
I find the graphics to be the most interesting part of DBZF. Pretty sure this game will have a lower budget than MVCI. Yet look at how they are compared. Really think Capcom and Marvel should've went for a more stylized comic book loook.
 

I-hate-u

Member
I find the graphics to be the most interesting part of DBZF. Pretty sure this game will have a lower budget than MVCI. Yet look at how they are compared. Really think Capcom and Marvel should've went for a more stylized comic book loook.

If only they did that before and have existing assets to build and improve up.

Oh wait, they did. It's called MvC3/
 

Risero

Banned
Man, just by reading a lot of stuff online, I get the feeling a lot of people just want this game to fail. I feel like the graphics and roster have pretty much driven people to want to see this game get pulverized in hopes of teaching Capcom a lesson.

DBF looking so good just fuels it more. It's pretty unbelievable to read, but Capcom/Marvel have given people way too much ammunition to feel this way.

I really hope this game succeeds and finds a way to get out of this negativity.

I for one want this game to fail after seeing that Wright-less Xmen-less roster
 

Dahbomb

Member
DBF isn't much like Marvel 2 though, I don't know why people keep saying that.

The game is still surprisingly very ground based despite characters having aerial rave combos and such. You don't have crazy flights or air dashes to the ceiling stuff.

It's definitely fast paced and chaotic like a VS game though. The hype factor in that game is through the roof, everything is dialed up to 11. Vegeta does Final Flash, you see an image of the move from space obliterating a part of earth and then you come back to the stage and it's all destroyed.
 

Risero

Banned
In all honesty outside of Monster Hunter & Resident Evil, Capcom has been shitting the bed. Ever since they announced DmC it has been one problem after another.

Ace Attorney's revival has been pretty great with 4 excellent games so far and more to come
even if only the 2 main series games were released outside of Japan
 
Talking about Ace Attorney, I wonder if that supposed leak is true, the one that talked about Cyclops and a AA rep (don't rememver exactly who was)

I think it had the Max 4 on special bar too.
 

RocBase

Member
If you watch something with this attitude, you will 100% be disappointed. As with most people in this thread who decided to hate the game weeks ago (despite barely knowing anything about the game at all), there ain't nothing Capcom can possibly show that will make y'all like this game at this point.

DBF came out of no where with no expectations, no pressure. Everything they do is a bonus, because it didn't even exist to us a few days ago.

But, a new MAHVEL game? All sorts of requirements, demands, history, and expectations. If the the leak roster doesn't have our wishlist faves, it's trash (despite being filled with some of the most popular, recognizable characters from both Marvel and Capcom). No assists? Trash. Different control scheme? Trash. 2v2 instead of 3v3? Trash.

Most of the complaints about MvCi stem from expectations...something DBF doesn't have to deal with at all.

Of course there are expectations. A new sequel for the most part is assumed to build on top of the previous iteration. This isn't unique to fighting games.

It's not that DBF came out with no expectations, it came out literally looking like the game people wanted out of Marvel. There is a distinct difference.
 

Dahbomb

Member
Yeah I think people would've cared less if DBF came out looking like a 1v1 GGXrd clone game.

Instead it's a 3v3 VS + GG hybrid game... which is hype as hell. There aren't many games out there like this so DBF is invading on a space of the fighting genre that has essentially been monopolized by the VS space for the last 2 decades.
 

Risero

Banned
All Marvel 3 needed was 1 stupid little patch to remove the infinites, fix Morrigan, and little characters tweaks. It's a perfect game in my book.

MvC3 Dante is the greatest fighting game character of all time. Neo_G, you are sorely missed.

And add the story mode they hyped up so much. And add back the vanilla arcade endings
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
I for one want this game to fail after seeing that Wright-less Xmen-less roster

if you want the game to fail, what the fuck are you even doing in this thread? Why do you want to discuss a game that you want to fail?

This forum is turning more and more into Gamefaqs I swear.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
I for one want this game to fail after seeing that Wright-less Xmen-less roster
I can understand your anger about no Wright, but Capcom couldn't do anything about the X-Men thing besides Wali out on the game, which would be a rash decision when there's always DLC.
 

Risero

Banned
Just going to post the roster here for those who don't know it was leaked

Marvel

Ant-Man
Captain America
Captain Marvel
Doctor Strange
Gamora
Hawkeye
Hulk
Iron Man
Nova
Rocket/Groot
Spider-Man
Thanos
Thor
Ultron


Capcom


Arthur
Chris
Chun-Li
Dante
Firebrand
Jedah
Monster Hunter
Morrigan
Nemesis
Ryu
Spencer
Strider Hiryu
X
[?]
 

Dahbomb

Member
I can understand your anger about no Wright, but Capcom couldn't do anything about the X-Men thing besides Wali out on the game, which would be a rash decision when there's always DLC.
The blame is on Marvel too, this game is on both of them. If this game fucks up then it's both of them but of course mainly on Capcom as you can still make a good game out of a mediocre roster.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
The blame is on Marvel too, this game is on both of them. If this game fucks up then it's both of them but of course mainly on Capcom as you can still make a good game out of a mediocre roster.
I'm sure the game itself will be fine, I'm just worried about the content outside of Story & Arcade.

Just going to post the roster here for those who don't know it was leaked

Marvel

Ant-Man
Captain America
Captain Marvel
Doctor Strange
Gamora
Hawkeye
Hulk
Iron Man
Nova
Rocket/Groot
Spider-Man
Thanos
Thor
Ultron


Capcom


Arthur
Chris
Chun-Li
Dante
Firebrand
Jedah
Monster Hunter
Morrigan
Nemesis
Ryu
Spencer
Strider Hiryu
X
Frank West
FTFY
 
Gameplay doesn't seem to take precedence over the roster, though. For me, the gameplay looks quite fun, but the roster and graphics seem to be why people think the game will suck.
 

Risero

Banned
if you want the game to fail, what the fuck are you even doing in this thread? Why do you want to discuss a game that you want to fail?

This forum is turning more and more into Gamefaqs I swear.

Just using salty hyperbole. If this game comes out and managed to be amazing with huge amounts of single player content beyond arcade and story despite the shit roster I'll gladly buy it day 1
 

NexusCell

Member
Just going to post the roster here for those who don't know it was leaked

Marvel

Ant-Man
Captain America
Captain Marvel
Doctor Strange
Gamora
Hawkeye
Hulk
Iron Man
Nova
Rocket/Groot
Spider-Man
Thanos
Thor
Ultron


Capcom


Arthur
Chris
Chun-Li
Dante
Firebrand
Jedah
Monster Hunter
Morrigan
Nemesis
Ryu
Spencer
Strider Hiryu
X
[?]

[?] is Frank West.
 

Zaverious

Member
For a crossover series that's been going on for almost 20 years, yeah roster and graphics is the biggest thing for this. Roster complaints are getting old though. It happened, it's done. Let's see what that gameplay looks like tonight. That's pretty much the only thing that matters at this point unfortunately.
 

TreIII

Member
#facts

Will this be enough to get Capcom faithful to actually play another game?

My guess is no.

I dunno, man. I do think that this Dragonball deal is indeed the thing that may finally get the ball rolling and really challenge some of the deeply nested "Capcom above all" notions at large.

As stated before, DBF isn't just another anime fighting game utilizing a niche license or schoolgirls flying around. It's Dragon Ball, a beloved brand by young and old. The very thing that Capcom's Marvel games always drew multiple comparisons to. DBF just decides to make it plain and cut out the middlemen, at the same time. And it's being made by Arc, guys who know their shit when it comes to making great fighters, but never quite could get their foot fully into the door because "reasons". Plus we got Bamco on publishing duties, so that, hopefully, some of the BS that follows Arc when it comes to their self-published games, won't be a factor, here.

Couple that with the likelihood that Infinite will be a good, but fairly divisive game, and I can see the seeds already being planted for more "crises of faith" among the Capcom faithful. And I think that's EXACTLY what Bamco is aiming for.

...All they would need is to offer a fairly appealing TxSF at some point in the near future that somehow caters to Tekken and SF fans well enough, and that would just make Bamco's intentions all the more plain.
 

MrCarter

Member
Of course there are expectations. A new sequel for the most part is assumed to build on top of the previous iteration. This isn't unique to fighting games.

It's not that DBF came out with no expectations, it came out literally looking like the game people wanted out of Marvel. There is a distinct difference.

Yes it's looks like Mahvel, but why should we congratulate them (even though I'm excited to play this myself) on systems and mechanics that have been created and done in a previous iteration of a MvC game from 6 years ago? And if all these "people" wanted that kind of game they can literally boot up MvC3/MvC2 right now to quench that thirst because let's get one thing straight - no game should ever pander to thier audience but instead think of what they want to create and innovate. Something which MvCi will do with thier gem system.
 

Neonep

Member
For a crossover series that's been going on for almost 20 years, yeah roster and graphics is the biggest thing for this. Roster complaints are getting old though. It happened, it's done. Let's see what that gameplay looks like tonight. That's pretty much the only thing that matters at this point unfortunately.

If it looks the same as it did when they showed it in April, this game is going to have major problems.
 

DR2K

Banned
if you want the game to fail, what the fuck are you even doing in this thread? Why do you want to discuss a game that you want to fail?

This forum is turning more and more into Gamefaqs I swear.

This isn't the OT, it's a roster speculation thread.

Game is going to bomb.
 

Dirtbag

Member
Yes it's looks like Mahvel, but why should we congratulate them (even though I'm excited to play this myself) on systems and mechanics that have been created and done in a previous iteration of a MvC game from 6 years ago? And if all these "people" wanted that kind of game they can literally boot up MvC3/MvC2 right now to quench that thirst because let's get one thing straight - no game should ever pander to thier audience but instead think of what they want to create and innovate. Something which MvCi will do with thier gem system.

DBZ looks like a refinement to the 3 player tag system. Assist cool downs and no free crossup after killing a character / resets to mid screen. Curious to hear more about it.
 

liquidtmd

Banned
They do need to kill it at this point in terms of surprise and reveals

This whole venture feels like...I dunno, that we should be expecting bare minimum, with a limited roster and scaled back expectation.

Currently we're being spoiled by fighters, so that won't fly anymore
 
create and innovate. Something which MvCi will do with thier gem system.

Innovating by bringing back a mechanic from 22 years ago?

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