MightySquirrel
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Not even close. If you missed the chart 6900 xt is rec for amazing RT and that is roughly 2x ps5 perf. Unless of course this chart is way off.PS5 version would be between very high and amazing ray tracing
Not even close. If you missed the chart 6900 xt is rec for amazing RT and that is roughly 2x ps5 perf. Unless of course this chart is way off.PS5 version would be between very high and amazing ray tracing
Amazing is 1440p, ultimate is 4k. I'm assuming it's max settings as well which are probably most above PS5 level.Not even close. If you missed the chart 6900 xt is rec for amazing RT and that is roughly 2x ps5 perf. Unless of course this chart is way off.
Show the PS5 consistently performing like that and not actually more like an RTX 3060.
The gap between the RTX 3060 and RTX 3070 is a frikken gulf.
The PS5 is almost always in RTX 3060 teritory, i think only like Deathstranding has the PS5 punching above its weight class.
Otherwise using console settings on an RTX 3070 will have it fly well into the stratosphere and thats including driver/api overhead.
The PS5 is a long way from an RTX 3070.
I will find them but Just as a head up tje benchmarks have to be using a 3700x and nothing else and if anything I think it would be good to also find 16 gigs of ram used
The CPU is irrelevant in a GPU test, which is why big sites bench with top tier CPUs, to get rid of the bottleneck.
You can’t guarantee that for one and this sounds like an excuse. No one benched the 3080 against a 3090 with different cpus at any resolution
What games beyond the above mentioned do you believe constitute the PS5 being RTX 3070 tier.
I can get a list but just so you know I’m not doing an Alex battaliga and pairing them with 12900ks they will be paired with 3700xYou must have atleast anecdotal evidence to have made such a claim.
Nah even in death stranding going from a 3700x to say a 12900k can get you as much as 7 more frames at 4k when targetting 60 which Is more than 10%CPU in PS5 is equivalent to ~ AMD Ryzen 7 3700X. This kind of CPU will not be a bottleneck when running modern games at modern resolutions.
I don’t actually expect many settings to be that much past the ps5 fidelity mode it will mainly be framerate and rt enhancements (unsure if this will support 8k res)To be fair some people doesn’t know max setting = fidelity beyond console
I assume it was a 3700x correct? My definition of not very far is than 20%Hey friend good tip is to read the thread and hit quote as you go so you don't have to make 5 posts in a row. When you hit reply it will put the quotes up and you can pick what order to put them in.
Me and @Md Ray did a quick and dirty for deaths stranding and re8. Him a 3070 and me a 3060ti both with 3000 series cpus. Deaths stranding was close to PC but slightly better on both cards and re8 was quite a bit better on both PC's. Like 50% if I recall. Side note my 3060ti out performs his 3070 when I OC and he's stock.
6950xt is the 2x oneNot even close. If you missed the chart 6900 xt is rec for amazing RT and that is roughly 2x ps5 perf. Unless of course this chart is way off.
Oh I missed that. I'm guessing native res RT, better shadows etc. I hope AMD guys can still select low RT like on ps5.Amazing is 1440p, ultimate is 4k. I'm assuming it's max settings as well which are probably most above PS5 level.
I have an AMD 6900xt that I got for 720$ cad recently. I don't give a shit about ray tracing and I'll not enable it. So why would I pay more for less performance in resta ?Look at those NVIDIA vs AMD required RT specs.
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Mine is exactly a 3700xI assume it was a 3700x correct? My definition of not very far is than 20%
20% is not far?I assume it was a 3700x correct? My definition of not very far is than 20%
7 more fps is significant?Nah even in death stranding going from a 3700x to say a 12900k can get you as much as 7 more frames at 4k when targetting 60 which Is more than 10%
The default setting looks like ps4 pro settings not the ps5 settingsyeah even then, death stranding's DLSS implementation is quite all right, you can eliminate particle ghosting with new DLSS DLL files and it works quite nicely outside of that
i did some tests at "default" settings,
at native 4k i get 58-72 FPS, pretty much like ps5 (as it has been said before, and as i said before, this game is pretty geometry-bound, which will scale with high frequency instead of high compute cores available. which is why the 3060ti situation happened with you and the other person)
above all, I love DLSS for power saving feature. amazing fan speed reduction, power consumption reduction and better reconstruction/aa...
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native 4k gets 72 frames in this scene, with 260 watts of power, %99 gpu bound
dlss quality at 4k gets 76 frames... but it is bottlenecked. a %20 gpu headroom available, which would end up rendering 94-100 frames if a more capable CPU was present. this mode gets 205 watts
dlss quality + 60 fps lock + undervolt nets a whopping 105 watts of GPU power consumption lol. no undervolt + high clocks results as 176 watts. practically gpu is dumb enough in this situation not downshifting.
admittedly native 4k is a "tad" bit sharper, but it is nowhere near groundbreaking. it looks pretty decent. its just amazing to see how much efficiently you can have 4k-like image quality at enormously low power consumptions while some people chase 450w+ GPUs. when you compare native 4k unlocked with 270 watts and dlss qua+undervolt 105 watts, the image quality difference simply cant justify the power consumption difference in this case. 2070 and co. will easily get 4k/dlss quality 60 fps in this game, which as i proven above, nearly matches native 4k image quality
Your acting like 6 FPS on a 60fps target isn’t big (that’s at least 10%) and I said less than 20% (the benchmarks between ps5 and 3070 that im talking about have a sub 10% difference)20% is not far?
But then you also say:
7 more fps is significant?
So which is it?
20% isnt significant but 6% is?
Or
Are you just talking shit?
P.S Removing the GPU bottleneck on Deathstranding will net you over 120fps with any modern CPU, the CPU is not much of a bottleneck.
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^this is with CoffeeLake cores........from 2018.
this is director's cut edition.The default setting looks like ps4 pro settings not the ps5 settings
Your acting like 6 FPS on a 60fps target isn’t big (that’s at least 10%) and I said less than 20% (the benchmarks between ps5 and 3070 that im talking about have a sub 10% difference)
You dismissed 20% as not being significant....but at the same time you want 7% to be significant?Your acting like 6 FPS on a 60fps target isn’t big (that’s at least 10%) and I said less than 20% (the benchmarks between ps5 and 3070 that im talking about have a sub 10% difference)
in ray tracing performance, indeed 3070 feels something akin to ps5 pro. its just a different world, its really surreal. although i firmly believe that console low level API should help ray tracing performance in the long run. tho i played valhalla with my 70, i was never bothered with the performance, actually. in the case of ac valhalla, game seems to be not able to utilize compute cores at 1440p/1080p. 1800p for me seemed like a good spot with optimized settings and a 60 FPS target. technically i played settings lower than consoles, a bit higher resolution and found a happy middleground. card literally begged for more resolution in that game. power consumption at native 1440p with ultra settings were around 170-180 watts, and at 1800p with optimized settings, i managed to bring 240 watts out of it, which tells me something about the scalingYou dismissed 20% as not being significant....but at the same time you want 7% to be significant?
Im still waiting for those receipts man.
The CPU is irrelevant as long as its 6cores from the modern age.
Show me the PS5 keeping up with the RTX 3070, we have people on this very board with that setup and PS5s who will tell you the 3070 walks a PS5 9.9 times out of 10.
Deathstranding and Valhalla seemingly hate Nvidia so those are outliers.
But lets see those receipts
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Okay well that one is still $50 so pc gamers are still being overcharged.This is the PS5 version (and then some).
Okay well that one is still $50 so pc gamers are still being overcharged.
And more additional features added to the mix like ultra wide support, etc..No they are not. They are getting a kickass game with all the dlc for less than console gamers paid.
I see it for $40 to $50 online for ps5. Pc it's $60. Again I'm waiting for a steep discount. I'm sure it'll sell fine without my saleNo they are not. They are getting a kickass game with all the dlc for less than console gamers paid.
6fps out of 60 is not 6%… and i said SUB 20%You dismissed 20% as not being significant....but at the same time you want 7% to be significant?
Im still waiting for those receipts man.
The CPU is irrelevant as long as its 6cores from the modern age.
Show me the PS5 keeping up with the RTX 3070, we have people on this very board with that setup and PS5s who will tell you the 3070 walks a PS5 9.9 times out of 10.
Deathstranding and Valhalla seemingly hate Nvidia so those are outliers.
But lets see those receipts
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No one here is showing it dog walking (which means over 30%) they said slight edge which is what I’ve always said. Don’t expect a game that can do at best 4k 30 on ps5 to do 4k 60 or 120 on a 3070You dismissed 20% as not being significant....but at the same time you want 7% to be significant?
Im still waiting for those receipts man.
The CPU is irrelevant as long as its 6cores from the modern age.
Show me the PS5 keeping up with the RTX 3070, we have people on this very board with that setup and PS5s who will tell you the 3070 walks a PS5 9.9 times out of 10.
Deathstranding and Valhalla seemingly hate Nvidia so those are outliers.
But lets see those receipts
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I see it for $40 to $50 online for ps5. Pc it's $60. Again I'm waiting for a steep discount. I'm sure it'll sell fine without my sale
I never said Rip off. I said overcharged. Which pc gamers are. Hence why I'm waiting for a steep discountThat’s fine but no one is getting ripped off.
The mods will be LegendaryCan't wait for the mods lol
McFarlane's Spiderman is the Spiderman I grew up on.Am I an alien or does Spiderman look absolutely retarded in this game? What's up with the white logo on his chest? It looks so weird.
This style Spiderman was so much better.
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I never said Rip off. I said overcharged. Which pc gamers are. Hence why I'm waiting for a steep discount
Im still waiting for those receipts.No one here is showing it dog walking (which means over 30%) they said slight edge which is what I’ve always said. Don’t expect a game that can do at best 4k 30 on ps5 to do 4k 60 or 120 on a 3070
An RTX 3070 at PS5 settings doesnt run games at 60 it goes beyond that easily so why would you use 60?6fps out of 60 is not 6%… and i said SUB 20%
Im talking in games targetting 60. I found one game but the bench isn’t accurate cause the ps5 is still in BC mode it’s zero dawnIm still waiting for those receipts.
Stop dodging and misdirecting, beyond DSC and AC: Valhalla what games.....and thats [lural games have the PS5 in RTX 3070 territory instad of RTX 3060 territory.
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An RTX 3070 at PS5 settings doesnt run games at 60 it goes beyond that easily so why would you use 60?
You are purposely leaving horsepower on the table to make the RTX 3070 look bad?
Im talking in games targetting 60. I found one game but the bench isn’t accurate cause the ps5 is still in BC mode it’s zero dawn
$50 vs $60. One is more.PC gamers are not being "overcharged" either. Wait all you want though.
I got it at my local electronic store(Saturn). Not sure if there is an online deal for it.Send me a link to that deal because Miles Morales alone is 60 EUR on PlayStation store right now!
This should just be a game. No mod, full AAA Macho Man game.This game needs a playable Macho Man Randy Savage mod.
Give him all the voice clip one liners going back from the WWF days, the Slim Jim commercials, to Bonesaw fighting with Spiderman. Make Elbow Drops from the top of street lights or sky scrapers cause mass destruction.
Love that!DualSense Controller Support
We still need an official dongle to enjoy full DualSense features wirelessly. Come on Jim!Love that!
And hate that so many games don't support it even if their PS5 counter part version have it.
I still dont understand what kind of arbitrary NonSense it is that we cant use all the DualSense features with Bluetooth.We still need an official dongle to enjoy full DualSense features wirelessly. Come on Jim!
Ultrawide support is not a feature, it's the bare minimum to expect from a PC game.And more additional features added to the mix like ultra wide support, etc..
You know what always baffles me about some fellow PC gamers, they flex about spending so much on their rigs, yet act like panhandlers when it comes to games.
Wait… maybe that’s why they do.
Just buy the thing on sale then.
$50 vs $60. One is more.
Pretty good deal thx! I rarely use cdkeys, except for top offs on game pass. I really should check before buying pc gamesYou can get the game for €44.79 on CDKeys already:
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Pretty good deal thx! I rarely use cdkeys, except for top offs on game pass. I really should check before buying pc games
allkeys also, i never ever bought something off steam because i always find cheaper option on allkeys, and i dont understand people when they get excited when steam have some sale promotions because i always find a cheaper optionAlways check CDKeys. Like 9 out of 10 times when I want to buy a game on Steam, there's a cheaper option there. It's possible that the price will drop further as we get closer to the release.
Oh, we know.Ultrawide support is not a feature, it's the bare minimum to expect from a PC game.
Anyway, max I would spend for spider man is $10.
yeah now waiting for dualsense support for Stray on PC. after experiencing what haptic feedbacks add to a game in death stranding, i simply refuse to play stray without haptic feedbackLove that!
And hate that so many games don't support it even if their PS5 counter part version have it.
Not all games offer unlocked framerates on ps5 which is part of the reason but even then I aim to find games that despite targetting 60 they drop frames on both ps5 and 3070 like death stranding. Can you stop the condescension especially when you clearly don’t get what my argument isSo you have no receipts and are arbitrarily locking the RTX 3070 to 60fps?
At which point you might as well say the PS5 and an RTX 3090Ti perform the same at PS5 settings because they both vsync to 60fps.
How frikken stupid.
Im embarrassed having wasted this much time on you.
Dont @ me until you get serious.
I already pointed out that Death Stranding and Valhalla have some weird performance issues on PC.Not all games offer unlocked framerates on ps5 which is part of the reason but even then I aim to find games that despite targetting 60 they drop frames on both ps5 and 3070 like death stranding. Can you stop the condescension especially when you clearly don’t get what my argument is
If you dont then just say ohh snap i might be wrong, the PS5 is more liekly in RTX 3060 territory not RTX 3070.
Ive been going back and forth with that guy for a while.With equivalent settings, 3060 is already better than consoles and their artificially locked FPS and resolution, 3060Ti blows them out of the water, and if a game supports DLSS there's really nothing left from the consoles. And within half a year or so probably an entry level GPU a. k.a. 4050 will leave them into dust. But there will still be those few silly people shouting slogans like 'secret souce', 'coding to the metal', 'next-gen' and so on, completely neglecting the hardware limitations, the spec sheets that have been officially posted almost two years ago.