Frustrated_me
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The pro Hillary supporters in this thread are insufferable. Like, Christ.
Has this always been the case?
Has this always been the case?
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Looks like I don't fit into either of these categories. What's behind door #3.
Yeah you've brought this up in several threads and nobody has a rebuttal for it. It's amazing to see certain posters just gloss over it and pretend your post doesn't exist.
mercenar1e
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Aaronrules380
Member
Accepting that there's no point in supporting a candidate who
1. Can not actually win the nomination
2. Is actively hurting the chances of the person who will win the nomination to fuel his own ego
Thanks.
Folks can't claim to be serious about corruption or campaign finance, and then sneer at your best chance in decades to get a progressive Supreme Court, especially one that'll get rid of corporate personhood and Citizens United. These are two incongruous positions.
And they know it. And for such wordy, chatty folks, they sure do go daaaaaamn quiet when it comes up.
titiklabingapat
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Most of use were okay with Bernie staying up until the end - had he changed his messaging a couple weeks back. But he hasn't and has doubled down with the whole corruption thing and attacking Hillary for the GOP so it's time to wrap this shit up.
As former Bernie supporter and donor, what really made me switch was not the math, it were his policies getting more scrutiny. I realized how vague, unrealistic, and detrimental his economic policies were. Had it not been for pundits believing the Bernie hype and briefly taking him seriously as a candidate, I would have still been a Bernie donor/supporter.
The superdelegates and voters who were not shut out of the democratic process got to choose.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yep, for many of us the victim blaming was the final straw.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
A hardcore Bernie supporter from work just shared the article about election fraud in KY. I am holding back from responding that the counties contested were Bernie wins. I don't want to stoke the fire and make things uncomfortable at work.
Damn that's some good stuff there. Any election you lose is fraud and voter suppression but thank god for those democratically representative caucuses, right?
titiklabingapat
Member
Most registered Democrats chose her. If you don't like it that Democrats are choosing a Democratic nominee then go ahead start your own party and run there.
metalslimer
Member
Who was shut out of the democratic process?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
We need to get Mulder and Scully on the case!
This is under the assumption Clinton will have a much better chance of getting things through congress. A flawed assumption.
Citation please.
vainglorious
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The usual complaint about closed primaries.
As someone who voted for Hillary months ago, I was perfectly fine with Bernie staying in the race up until the last few weeks. His contributions to the conversation have become more toxic than actually constructive and it seems to get worse every week. I don't believe he's pulling Hillary any further to the left anymore (though I think this effect was pretty over exaggerated in the first place). I think, at this point, he's only damaging Democrats' chances in the fall, compounded by Trump having now wrapped up his own nomination and being allowed to focus -- without distraction -- on unifying his party and pivoting to the general.
The fact that Bernie has no shot at the nomination and continues to string along his supporters on these delusions is also not cool, but I get that that's just a political reality of conducting a campaign of course. Oh, and his inability to articulate how exactly the government would break up the banks -- his signature issue for years -- was frighteningly eye opening.
excelsiorlef
Member
approx 3 million popular vote lead for Clinton.
near 300 pledged delegate lead.
The supers have determined shit.
But yes Clinton is winning because of fraud and voter suppression, that's your argument?
And Clinton supporters are the hivemind?
I think there is some merit to the idea that the Democratic party should think about opening up their primaries, but at the same time, it would like lead to a fleury of candidates that will be deemed too far left for the general election. The Democrats will find themselves in the same position they were in, in the 70's and 80's.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
And, if the voter suppression was as rampant as implied, statistically speaking many of those would be Clinton voters too.
Hasphat'sAnts
Member
Caucuses are far more anti-democratic than closed primaries.
As evidenced by the NV shenanigans.
As evidenced by the NV shenanigans.
There are enough straw men here already, no need to put up another.
I'm not stating that opposite, just facts.
Not just the person who will win the nomination: he's actively hurting the chances of the only person who can prevent all progress on his goals from being halted or regressed for the next 20-30 years.
Makes me kind of glad that he's been revealing himself to be more of an asshat lately. Like, of course, I'd prefer him to not be an asshat in the first place, but if he's going to act like one then I'd like him to make it clear to everyone exactly how dumb he's being so that they can drop support for his childish antics with a clear consciousness.
If his ego isn't driving him, then I don't know what is, because it's certainly not his commitment to progressive goals.
eBay Huckster
Member
it's about as doable as bernie winning everything 70-30
because it'd take about that margin in every remaining state
Aaron Strife
Banned
(Hillary wins a state)
"FRAUD"
(Bernie wins a state)
"The system works!"
Funny there's never even any like "Oh, Bernie did SO GOOD he BEAT THE CROOKED SYSTEM in (insert state)" No when Bernie wins, his supporters just take it for what it is.
metalslimer
Member
It is interesting that CLinton didn't use her magic voter suppression powers to stamp out Obama in 2008
A logical fallacy accusation from someone claiming that the primaries are rigged and Clinton is only winning because of supers?
Fuckin' beautiful.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Or that she's not doing it in every state this time.
Gotta make it look somewhat fair ig
Inspector Jones
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Pretty much this; and I hate Clinton. Her party chose her; and that's fine and good. But I will say that the Democrats will lose a significant chunk of independents.
I like Bernie, but I'll vote for Hillary in the election. I can't see her being a very popular president, though, and after this election cycle, I hope both parties take a good, hard look at what they actually stand for.
The DNC is most certainly as capable of pulling dirty shit as the Republicans are and at some point in the future, the system will inevitably collapse. If we want that to happen without massive acts of violence, we will need people and candidates as passionate as Bernie, but with a more versatile, but less vague platform to continue to push for reforms.
The DNC is most certainly as capable of pulling dirty shit as the Republicans are and at some point in the future, the system will inevitably collapse. If we want that to happen without massive acts of violence, we will need people and candidates as passionate as Bernie, but with a more versatile, but less vague platform to continue to push for reforms.
The Technomancer
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Clinton's actual knowledge and interest in political mechanics makes her far more likely to wield the power of executive actions and other gritty things, IMO. I expect her to find the loopholes and eeke out every edge she can with the office. I would expect Sanders to just yell at conservative governors and complain about how the country is holding him back from his grand vision
brainchild
Banned
What the hell happened in here? smh
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
There is some actual evidence that once she wins, her popularity will skyrocket.
I think the degree of that bump is up for debate.
excelsiorlef
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What facts?
Is your assertion that Clinton is wining because of voter suppression?
Your point about supers is garbage. That's not happening she's well ahead on pledged.
I just told you about the strawman you put up, and you put up another one anyway?
Don't you get it? Bernie is never at fault - the entire world is conspiring against him! It can't possibly be that the majority of Democrats aren't feeling the Bern!
Glad to see Hillary keeping Bernie to single digits in Oregon. I was expecting a double digit blowout here, to be honest.
Independents were never going to vote for her anyway - they tend to lean Republican, and there's a perfectly good right wing nutjob for them to vote for this time. Either that, or they'll stay at home altogether (the option my parents are planning to take, for example).
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Then WHAT is your argument?
Yep, I had it in the back of my mind Sanders would have almost 20 points on Hillary.
Now that he failed that miserably, we can say the primary is over.
Bam Bam Baklava
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In Alternate Reality #567, Sanders would be the nominee right now.
Aaronrules380
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Well among other things, Clinton knows how to actually compromise and not try to go for completely unreasonable goals, which helps a lot. And Clinton is supporting down ticket democrats a lot more, which once more will help a lot.
And Bernie doing it to fuel his own ego is because he acts like he still has a shot and keeps telling his supporters he still has a shot despite realistically having pretty much none. He also keeps calling the democratic party corrupt, generally shitting on Hilary, and refuses to even definitively condemn his supporters when they're making death threats against Hilary (Even going so far as to walk out on a relevant question about the issue so he wouldn't have to own up to it).
I guess he might also be doing it to swindle more campaign money from his supporters. Not like he didn't already use that money for a family trip to the vatican
PhoncipleBone
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I do wonder what would happen to his supporters if Bernie were to get into office and be unable to pass any of the things he has campaigned on. Would it just be more conspiracies, or would they want him ousted for failing to live up to his promise?
jack_package_200
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Just a reminder: 538 Benchmark for Sanders was +35 in Kentucky and +57 in Oregon.
Fuck I will be glad when this is over.
Fuck I will be glad when this is over.
I don't think they have an argument or any point at all really. Just posting vague nonsense about nothing that nobody cares about. If they had something to say or an actual rebuttal to things others have said they would have made a clear post by now which they have not. So I think it's safe to ignore them.
excelsiorlef
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Look what happened in 2010 and picture that times ten more because ya know Obama actually had a successful two years and it still wasn't good enough
Now I just think you don't know what a strawman is.
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