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[Socreges]

some people don't have great internet connections

Hmm. Fair enough. How bad can it get?

 

[dork]

this again?

I'm a PC gamer, it was a joke

Sorry, I'm sure it will be fine! I don't get the no preload though! Luckily Steam generally has great speeds and isn't usually an issue. But people without good connections, this doesn't seem fair.

 

[Kriken]

Hmm. Fair enough. How bad can it get?

I mean...

While not a GREAT example, preloading means you can still play day 1 despite that long ass download time

 

[Mifec]

Hmm. Fair enough. How bad can it get?

Would take me 14hours or so with 1,2mb a second.

I'm a PC gamer, it was a joke

Sorry, I'm sure it will be fine! I don't get the no preload though! Luckily Steam generally has great speeds and isn't usually an issue. But people without good connections, this doesn't seem fair.

rofl man it's fine but this has been brought up like 3 times in the last week

 

[Soulflarz]

Welp praying my college has fiber optic now :V

 

[Adnor]

I thought this would just mean that you would have to download the game on the day of release before playing? Which would mean a difference of minutes or hours.

What else is involved then? Some people seem crushed.

I nothing's wrong I download at 600 KB/s, max 700 KB/s, so it would mean not playing day 1.

 

[TheSeks]

Probably wont even work right anyway. It will fall the same fate as Batman

Someone hasn't played Ground Zeroes PC.

Here's a hint: It's not like Batman.

 

[jediyoshi]

I thought this would just mean that you would have to download the game on the day of release before playing? Which would mean a difference of minutes or hours.

..minutes? 28 GB? What is your download speed?

 

[UrbanRats]

I mean...

While not a GREAT example, preloading means you can still play day 1 despite that long ass download time

That's about my speed.

I got GTAV through the Rockstar Downloader, which was utter shit, and it took forever.
It wasn't much slower, but it basically prevented any other internet use (whereas Steam throttles back and forth depending on what you do).

 

[Branson]

It's a fucking stupid point. Did you read what he said?



Even disregarding the insinuation that its more likely than not that PC games don't work at launch (which is a million miles away from the truth), it's a really stupid thing to say.

Also, GTA5 was an excellent port.

I don't think being cautious about of ports is "Fucking stupid" by any means. God damn Type-0 came out and is locked at 30fps. BUT EVERYTHING IS FINE.

Rising on PC runs at 30fps for me unless I run a user made program along side it and then it's 60fps locked. Just because I use a tv with HDMI.

It's absolutely not a fair point to assume that this game will suffer the same fate as Arkham Knight on PC, as though AK on PC was the norm for ambitious PC ports and not an outlier. GTA V had very few problems on PC those first few weeks, all things considered (and is generally considered a fantastic port so I just plain have no idea where you're coming from there), especially relative to games like AK or its predecessor, GTA IV. And while Ground Zeroes doesn't go as far on a technical level as Phantom Pain will, it's still a solid reference point that shows that the engine itself has no problems working just fine on PC, which is more than we can say about AK.

Seriously, these AK comparisons coming up after every single newsdrop about a PC port are bullshit, at best.




All of this. Heed the bolded.

5 is ok. I didn't say it was broken. Just has problems. Like when I use self radio and it drops 10fps until I change the station. Little shit like that.

 

[Karl_Dilkington7]

Reading Robert's Twitter account:

Q: "@DurkaDerper: @popcicle So the game will be available for download midnight NZ time?"

A: "@popcicle: @DurkaDerper should be yes"

Still a little vague, hoping my question pulls though.

 

[Salsa]

Neither of these things are true. I was able to preload both The Witcher 3 and Arkham Knight on the same SSD. (also only having like 3gb of space on the SSD when arkham knight was unencrypted)

well you made some magic then cause thats exactly my experiencie even as late as arkham knight (last game I preloaded) and so seems to be everyone else's online

 

[Solid Samus]

I don't think being cautious about of ports is "Fucking stupid" by any means. God damn Type-0 came out and is locked at 30fps. BUT EVERYTHING IS FINE.

Rising on PC runs at 30fps for me unless I run a user made program along side it and then it's 60fps locked. Just because I use a tv with HDMI.

Being cautious about the quality of ports isn't stupid.

Assuming that every major PC port will not only have significant issues out of the gate, which is hardly the norm, but that they'll end up as broken as Arkham Knight?

That's fucking stupid. That's what Qassim was referring to, the "fair point" you chose to defend, and it's fucking stupid, full stop, no getting around it. (edit - or at least it would have been if it weren't a joke, lmao)

And given the context, Type-0 is hardly evidence to the contrary. We have been given absolutely no reason to believe that this game will run poorly on PC, and to the contrary, we have evidence that the engine runs and scales quite well on the platform, and that the PC version is receiving as much tlc as the console versions, if not moreso. To assume that this port will be a bad one basically ignores all the evidence we've been given that points toward the contrary, which in this particular case, is pretty significant.

5 is ok. I didn't say it was broken. Just has problems. Like when I use self radio and it drops 10fps until I change the station. Little shit like that.

Well, that's little shit. A small, exclusive feature that doesn't work properly. Hardly something comparable to AK.

 

[TouchMyBox]

I mean...

While not a GREAT example, preloading means you can still play day 1 despite that long ass download time

I remember the days when Bell Canada was capping indie ISP speeds to 5 Mb.

That 500 KB/s nightmare was rough, dawg. I'll pray to Gaben for you.

 

[dork]

Would take me 14hours or so with 1,2mb a second.


rofl man it's fine but this has been brought up like 3 times in the last week

Bah, always late to the party! .

 

[Skux]

New Zealand the international first. Go Kiwis!'

 

[jacobeid]

Definitely sucks, but I'll just download before I leave for work in the morning and it should only take me 2-3 hours if Steam servers hold up.

 

[Qassim]

I don't think being cautious about of ports is "Fucking stupid" by any means. God damn Type-0 came out and is locked at 30fps. BUT EVERYTHING IS FINE.

Cautious? is that what you call it? Cautious is not concluding it'll "probably be as bad as the worst AAA port in a long time" and separately "not work".

Cautious is fine, that is not what that was. Please, re-evaluate what you're defending as a fair point. Because it isn't.

dork said it was a joke, but you're defending it as a legitimate point.

 

[Xyber]

well you made some magic then cause thats exactly my experiencie even as late as arkham knight (last game I preloaded) and so seems to be everyone else's online

I think I saw something about an update to how this is handled in a fairly recent update to Steam. Mentioned something about needing less space to unpack or something if I'm not mistaken.

 

[yami4ct]

Hmm. Fair enough. How bad can it get?

As someone who lives in a rural area, it can get really bad. It can take me up to 3 days to download a 50 GB game. I also have to pause the download any time I want to do anything bandwidth intensive. I'm lucky if my internet reaches 1 mbps. It sucks.

I remember the days when Bell Canada was capping indie ISP speeds to 5 Mb.

That 500 KB/s nightmare was rough, dawg. I'll pray to Gaben for you.

My connection caps at just below 200 KB/s on steam. The rural US just sucks for internet.

 

[jacobeid]

I don't think being cautious about of ports is "Fucking stupid" by any means. God damn Type-0 came out and is locked at 30fps. BUT EVERYTHING IS FINE.

Rising on PC runs at 30fps for me unless I run a user made program along side it and then it's 60fps locked. Just because I use a tv with HDMI.



5 is ok. I didn't say it was broken. Just has problems. Like when I use self radio and it drops 10fps until I change the station. Little shit like that.

I have no idea what's up with that. When I first played Rising I was running a 7850 on a TV with HDMI and I couldn't get it to drop below 60fps if I tried.

Also this isn't a port. It's another platform that Konami/Koji Pro are releasing MGSV on. There's a difference.

 

[Kriken]

I remember the days when Bell Canada was capping indie ISP speeds to 5 Mb.

That 500 KB/s nightmare was rough, dawg. I'll pray to Gaben for you.

Well MY internet isn't that bad (I link to Eatchildren's pic). But I cap out at 1.8 MB/s for Steam downloads, so it's not exactly great either

Edit: just tried to guestimate my download time, it'd be around 5 hours for me give or take

 

[Vertti]

With 6 MB/S I can live with that.

Too bad I'm home at 6 pm earliest. And have to wake up 7 am in the next day.

Stupid school did it have to start in same day than MGS is released.

 

[Älg]

Isn't the entire point of pre-ordering to get the game on day one? What's even the point of pre-ordering in Steam if there's no preload? It's not like the incentives are that great either.

 

[JaseC]

Pretty sad in a way, but assuming that it is also releasing earlier if you are outside of New Zealand, and the game is kind of small at around 30gb, it should be downloadable before the 1st for quite a few.

Should be downloadable August 31st at 10am PT / 18pm BST

Still, it will suck for those with poor connections who need more than a few hours to download the game

When the game unlocks in New Zealand, it'll be pre-loadable for everyone else, yeah.

I think I saw something about an update to how this is handled in a fairly recent update to Steam. Mentioned something about needing less space to unpack or something if I'm not mistaken.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1068832

 

[jediyoshi]

I don't think being cautious about of ports is "Fucking stupid" by any means. God damn Type-0 came out and is locked at 30fps. BUT EVERYTHING IS FINE.

Were these things supposed to be comparable?

 

[justjim89]

This seems like a thread where someone will know what the problem is. Googling yielded nothing.

Replaying Ground Zeroes on PC and I'm having a relatively new issue, wondering if anyone has the same. The game likes to crash randomly when I use the binoculars and look around, zooming in and out and tagging and what not. I have a pretty decent laptop and the game runs great otherwise. Anyone have this problem?

I'd hate to think I'll just be unable to use the binoculars or sniper scope in TPP.

 

[Nzyme32]

I mean...

While not a GREAT example, preloading means you can still play day 1 despite that long ass download time

I was way worse:

Literally a day after completing the download, I was given access to 4mb/s download speeds. Now I get to laugh it up, but I'm well aware of how crappy it is for people with poor connections.

 

[giant_frying_pan]

I guess people would prefer preload with the original release date?

 

[Kindekuma]

I guess people would prefer preload with the original release date?

I mean, it would generally be preferred by most. 28GB is still a lot to download for many people. Some of us can download that in an hour or less, and some of us need several hours/days to download the same amount of data.

 

[Qassim]

I guess people would prefer preload with the original release date?

Yes, people would prefer a pre-load with a 2 week delay..........

 

[mrlion]

Who is doing this port?

No one? Its not a port..

 

[jacobeid]

I mean, it would generally be preferred by most. 28GB is still a lot to download for many people. Some of us can download that in an hour or less, and some of us need several hours/days to download the same amount of data.

He's trying to say how quickly we forget that we were supposed to get this game on PC two weeks after it was released on consoles.

Preload for September 15 release or release day-and-date with consoles without preload? I'll take the latter please.

 

[Kindekuma]

He's trying to say how quickly we forget that we were supposed to get this game on PC two weeks after it was released on consoles.

Preload for September 15 release or release day-and-date with consoles without preload? I'll take the latter please.

Whoops! My bad, misread that. Definitely would do the same.

 

[Branson]

Being cautious about the quality of ports isn't stupid.

Assuming that every major PC port will not only have significant issues out of the gate, which is hardly the norm, but that they'll end up as broken as Arkham Knight?

That's fucking stupid. That's what Qassim was referring to, the "fair point" you chose to defend, and it's fucking stupid, full stop, no getting around it. (edit - or at least it would have been if it weren't a joke, lmao)

And given the context, Type-0 is hardly evidence to the contrary. We have been given absolutely no reason to believe that this game will run poorly on PC, and to the contrary, we have evidence that the engine runs and scales quite well on the platform, and that the PC version is receiving as much tlc as the console versions, if not moreso. To assume that this port will be a bad one basically ignores all the evidence we've been given that points toward the contrary, which in this particular case, is pretty significant.



Well, that's little shit. A small, exclusive feature that doesn't work properly. Hardly something comparable to AK.

Cautious? is that what you call it? Cautious is not concluding it'll "probably be as bad as the worst AAA port in a long time" and separately "not work".

Cautious is fine, that is not what that was. Please, re-evaluate what you're defending as a fair point. Because it isn't.

dork said it was a joke, but you're defending it as a legitimate point.

I have no idea what's up with that. When I first played Rising I was running a 7850 on a TV with HDMI and I couldn't get it to drop below 60fps if I tried.

Also this isn't a port. It's another platform that Konami/Koji Pro are releasing MGSV on. There's a difference.

Guys I really hope MGS5 is a fantastic port like GZ. But excuse me for having reservations about PC games lately. Just seems like there is always something slightly off with them compared to console versions.

Also yeah it's weird. There's a thread on the steam forums for Rising with the program. Crysis does that too on pcs with HDMI to TV. 24fps locked.

Were these things supposed to be comparable?

Not really. Just an example of a game that came out recently in 2015 that doesn't have basic options like 60fps.

I'm not super worried about it guys haha. I'm just jittery about this shit. I have it pre ordered on steam and want it to be perfect.

 

[KarmaCow]

He's trying to say how quickly we forget that we were supposed to get this game on PC two weeks after it was released on consoles.

Preload for September 15 release or release day-and-date with consoles without preload? I'll take the latter please.

MGO on PC is also delayed until next year, more than 2 months after the console release, so who knows what was sacrificed to get the PC version out.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Mad Max is our only hope.

 

[Azax]

So people are afraid of getting spoiled because it will take too long for downloading this game on release day? How would you manage it if we had to wait those extra 2 weeks we had before?

Let's have it this way. People are never satisfied

 

[jacobeid]

Guys I really hope MGS5 is a fantastic port like GZ. But excuse me for having reservations about PC games lately. Just seems like there is always something slightly off with them compared to console versions.

Other than Arkham Knight, what else has been off in comparison to the console versions?

I played and completed GTA V on PS3 and PS4 and I can easily say that GTA V on PC blows both of them out of the water, so I'm not sure why you chose to pick on that port earlier in the thread.

Also, nobody blames you for being cautious, but you went pretty far beyond caution and straight into nonsense.

MGO on PC is also delayed until next year, more than 2 months after the console release, so who knows what was sacrificed to get the PC version out.

True, I forgot about MGO. I don't think that has anything to do with the main game though and more likely to do with online infrastructure.

 

[Qassim]

Guys I really hope MGS5 is a fantastic port like GZ. But excuse me for having reservations about PC games lately. Just seems like there is always something slightly off with them compared to console versions.

No one is getting at people for having reservations or being cautious. You defended a post that suggested the game "probably wont even work right" and that it would "fall the same fate as Batman". That's far, far from resevation. I'll repeat it again, re-read what you were defending as a fair point. It was not a fair point, it';s far beyond having a reserved approach to the quality of the PC version, that's outright saying it will not be good. That's the opposite of reservation.

True, I forgot about MGO. I don't think that has anything to do with the main game though and more likely to do with online infrastructure.

Yeah, I think if the launch goes smoothly on consoles then I expect the MGO launch on PC to be brought forward. I think the late MGO release is being used as a buffer in case they have to keep people working on the getting the console version working properly for longer than they hope3

 

[Porcile]

Fuuuuuck. This is going to take me days to download. My internet speed is horrendous.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

Hmm. Fair enough. How bad can it get?

It can get quite bad, I'm looking at probably a 24 hour download time (assuming the download size is a bit smaller than the full size) which a preload can help with since the preload lets me start downloading a game prior to release and the i only have to deal with a 1 gig unlock or something.

 

[Xyber]

Sucks that there won't be a preload for people with slow internet. Personally I don't care because it's actually faster to download and install after release and skip the unpacking process.

I sure hope Steam will be just as nice with this as when I downloaded Batman.

 

[Branson]

Other than Arkham Knight, what else has been off in comparison to the console versions?

I played and completed GTA V on PS3 and PS4 and I can easily say that GTA V on PC blows both of them out of the water, so I'm not sure why you chose to pick on that port earlier in the thread.

Also, nobody blames you for being cautious, but you went pretty far beyond caution and straight into nonsense.



True, I forgot about MGO. I don't think that has anything to do with the main game though and more likely to do with online infrastructure.

All of the patches that have been released for 5 have actually been a detriment to it performance wise. Adding in stuttering and the like to the game after it came out pretty damn good. It ran worse for a while there after all of that. 5 for me was a stuttering mess for a while. Random frame drops for no reason. It's fine other than the radio problem and that stuff.

No one is getting at people for having reservations or being cautious. You defended a post that suggested the game "probably wont even work right" and that it would "fall the same fate as Batman". That's far, far from caution. I'll repeat it again, re-read what you were defending as a fair point. That's not a fair point, that's far beyond having a reserved approach to the quality of the PC version, that's outright saying it will not be good.

I just used that as a jumping off point. It wasn't meant to be taken literally as in this port is going to be AK levels of bad. I just was saying there could be some jank. Hope not though.

 

[master0fdeception]

I've never played a MGS game. Didn't get caught onto the hype. Haven't seen any takers or gameplay vids. Didn't think about getting this until all the hype. Can someone tell me a good video on YouTube of trailer to watch that is making all of you excited??

 

[jacobeid]

All of the patches that have been released for 5 have actually been a detriment to it performance wise. Adding in stuttering and the like to the game after it came out pretty damn good. It ran worse for a while there after all of that. 5 for me was a stuttering mess for a while. Random frame drops for no reason. It's fine other than the radio problem and that stuff.

Even if all of that is true how can you possibly say it's "off" compared to consoles that can't even keep it locked to 30? The PC version of GTA (like almost all releases) looks and performs better than the console brethren. Hell, my digital PS3 copy can't even stream textures when going above like 20mph.

Considering you couldn't get MGR to turn above 30 I'm just going to guess some of those issues are on your end.

So, again, what other games beside AK are off COMPARED to the console version?

PS I'm trying to alleviate your fears not pick a fight.

 

[Mifec]

I've never played a MGS game. Didn't get caught onto the hype. Haven't seen any takers or gameplay vids. Didn't think about getting this until all the hype. Can someone tell me a good video on YouTube of trailer to watch that is making all of you excited??

Do you want gameplay or just trailers?

 

[Spaghetti]

I've never played a MGS game. Didn't get caught onto the hype. Haven't seen any takers or gameplay vids. Didn't think about getting this until all the hype. Can someone tell me a good video on YouTube of trailer to watch that is making all of you excited??

check the freedom of infiltration video, the mother base video from gamescom, and the e3 2013 red band trailer.

 

[Jeremy]

I've never played a MGS game. Didn't get caught onto the hype. Haven't seen any takers or gameplay vids. Didn't think about getting this until all the hype. Can someone tell me a good video on YouTube of trailer to watch that is making all of you excited??

I don't think you could put anything like that into one single trailer to be honest.

Someone listed this as the best MGS V trailer the other day. I've never seen it (I don't like spoilers very much). - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-c1a5c55-8

 

[Qassim]

I just used that as a jumping off point. It wasn't meant to be taken literally as in this port is going to be AK levels of bad. I just was saying there could be some jank. Hope not though.

So you brought a counter to an argument I didn't make? I was saying his post was nonsense, you responded:

It's a fair point.

I and others responded that it was not, because given you replied to a post talking about a particular point with no indication at the time that you were talking about anything else other than the post we were discussing. Communicate clearer, because you just dragged people into an argument no one was making. It's really annoying to have people respond to a post on a forum, then after a while then decide "Well despite me responding in a format that implies I am referring to the actual topic discussed, I actually wasn't, I just brought my own random argument to you but didn't bother telling you".

Please don't do that again, it makes communicating on this form of communication pretty damn difficult.