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[darkinstinct]

The same thing last year with Wired articles. Sony gained much more traction than Scarlett teaser at E3. Oh Navi, Zen2,...much more of the same like PS5.....then simple PS5 logo gained much more internet traction than whole XSX reveal at TGA.

But that's to be expected. There are 2x as many PS owners. Of course by default a new PS gets more interest. But interest doesn't translate into sales.

3 different versions of PS5 development kits with major differences. The target specs has always been ~13 RDNA tflops. Like ~12 for Anaconda.

13tf PS5 and 12tf Xbox are 100% legit. You've my words.

What good is your word, though? You said you would get a self ban if there was no PS5 reveal in February. That was your word. Show us what it is worth.

 

[Gudji]

Underpowered? Yeah. Even Cerny himself stated that a 4K console should be 8TF.

A real 4K machine, which not even XBO X is because not all games run at 4K.

No worries, I'll be one of the first to call you out on your bullshit when specs for PS5 are released.

 

[B_Boss]

Bro when I game I game hours a day if not my son use to play. It was a day one and lasted over 7 years and just died out of use lol

Wow man, that actually is as awesome as it is sad lol!

 

[Neo Blaster]

The github leaks are 90% confirmed at this point. all the insiders have been wrong so far. ps5 will most likely be 9.2 teraflops.

You missed the '/s' at the end.

 

[Darklor01]

I'm no insider or anything, so saying it's gonna be in March won't harm anyone. If I was right or wrong doesn't make me an insider or anything.

It's just a theory I could be totally wrong. But that what I was thinking about, idc if I was right or wrong I just said what I was thinking.

I think March as well, but man, Sony has been so hush that I have no idea what to think.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

This goes to my idea of a “Soon” calculator.

Soon= 5 weeks
Really soon= 4 weeks
Really really soon= 3 weeks
Stay toned= 2 weeks
Around the corner = 1 week

Bless your heart... you obviously wasn’t around for the Duke Nukem Forever days

 

[M.Night Shyamalan]

"More than 8 times as powerful as vanilla PS4 and four times as powerful as the PS4 Pro",

 

[hemo memo]

What good is your word, though? You said you would get a self ban if there was no PS5 reveal in February. That was your word. Show us what it is worth.

Nah Tommy Fisher is always right. Not his fault that Sony keep changing their plans. He’s never wrong.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

But that's to be expected. There are 2x as many PS owners. Of course by default a new PS gets more interest. But interest doesn't translate into sales.

More internet traction has nothing to do with 2x userbase LOL. What, only PS4 users read the news about PS5, Xbone users read about XSX and that's the measurement for internet traction? No. Social media just covered more PS5 news than XSX last year even if XSX showed more.. I'm talked about that, not about userbase.

 

[trancefreak64]

My PS3 is in the attic and i believe it’s a 60gb launch model if memory recalls with bc, but it developed a jet engine and started taking off during the Last of Us one summer and I don’t want to get it down.

Man I wish I still had all my consoles and games from the past. My Ex fricking took everything from me in 2017. I can't even be mad about it anymore, but Me, Not happy.

BTW, I still have my Sega Dreamcast, a couple of Super Nintendo cartridges, and a shitload of Intellivion games with out a system though.

On the positive side of things, I am happy that I was able to get My PS4 Pro along with my games and accessories. The first thing that I grabbed when I was out on the street was my new customly built PC. Some crazy shit would have went down if I didn't get my rig from that She Demon.

I have to look to the future of gaming because that is healthy for me right now lol. I am going to dream about my next gen consoles in a minute or so Gn.

 

[tflopsmatter]

Merging what I know with others thermal
Issues were preventing them from going up to the higher end of that scale, 11.5, and so they were hovering lower on the middle. But the machines were still fine, they just ran hotter than they would like, with zero headroom for any upclocking or improvement. That’s not a good position to be in, because you should always leave a little room for something.

The chance of those thermal issues being resolved is near enough 100%. Hell
Sony even put in orders for better cooling, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that’s sorted and they pushed up to 11.5 with a little on top even.

But you don’t just go from 10 to 14. That’s not how it works 10 to 11 with refinements on top? Sure. But right on up to 14, when you already had thermal issues as it was? @OsirisBlack mentioned he heard rumblings of higher temps too, but no issues reported, so pretty much the same.

But I would bet top greenback no thermal
Issues being present at all now. I would almost guarantee it. They were pushing the system too hard on the clocks and that wasnt playing well worth the cooling is all, and that was then. I would say next to zero chance of 9tf, let go of that. Sony would likely rather delay the damn thing that to drop it that low compared to sx.

I totally agree. Sony is NOT going to release a 9.2TF console. That would result in them losing the next generation. Also, they wouldn't design a console that wasn't at least twice the TF of the X Box One X. Twelve TF is the minimum. I expect that it will probably be over 12.6TF so they can say it is three times the TF of the PS4 PRO.

We are reaching an era of diminishing returns and for an upgrade to be useful at all we need greater and greater leaps in TF. Anything like a 9.2TF GPU would be a sick joke.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

trancefreak64 i have all my old ones except my Super Nintendo and Dreamcast, and I always want to pick new ones up but they go for so much money and have faults most of the time

 

[tflopsmatter]

Your "credible" leak is a bunch of inconsistent data posted publicly, by accident, by an AMD intern.

The github leak doesn't mean anything. I take what Klee has to say much more seriously.

 

[M.Night Shyamalan]

Social media went crazy for the silly PS5 logo. Sony will probably release the 9.2TF machine for the non hardcore gamers and rake in the dough.

They know that they can get away with it, so I find it to still be plausible. I mean, Microsoft hasn’t changed since the Github leak...

You try hard to push 9.2TF. You are wrong. You are technically trolling 24/7. Wonder where the accounts that do the same are? You never see Senjursu and Rightisrught and R600 on at same time huh? And others too.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

I totally agree. Sony is NOT going to release a 9.2TF console. That would result in them losing the next generation. Also, they wouldn't design a console that wasn't at least twice the TF of the X Box One X. Twelve TF is the minimum. I expect that it will probably be over 12.6TF so they can say it is three times the TF of the PS4 PRO.

We are reaching an era of diminishing returns and for an upgrade to be useful at all we need greater and greater leaps in TF. Anything like a 9.2TF GPU would be a sick joke.

The trouble is blanket statements like “2x the power of the Xbox one x” is that if you count the one x as 6tf, then two times the power doesn’t automatically mean it MUST be 12tf. With new system architecture, better SSD, better memory, more cores etc, you could quite easily have let’s say (so I don’t use that other number) a 10tf system be twice as good.

Terror floppings alone don’t tell the whole story. What good is your car going 0-60mph when it steers like a dump truck?

 

[trancefreak64]

trancefreak64 i have all my old ones except my Super Nintendo and Dreamcast, and I always want to pick new ones up but they go for so much money and have faults most of the time

Touche my friend, to bad the electronics sometimes doesn't last long, even if it is taken very good care of. For me I suppose that I still have great memories of so many bitchen games that I have played in the past.

 

[Ralf]

Ps5 must be more powerfull than XSX because i want this.

 

[Null_Key]

This is not about the math or numbers, it's all about the performance gain and efficiency in PS5 compared to the ancient tech.

I would like to understand your thoughts on why it's not about math. When a technology is quoted " As four times stronger" as something it's followed by a qualitative assessment. While I can agree you are getting significant gains from jumping from a tablet based jaguar cores to ryzen, I fail to see how this translate into the gains you speak of. Alot of programming has since shifted into the realm of GPGPU or general processing over graphics processor, with CPU acting to to be utilized in other fashion. Since parallel algorithms are so efficient at producing console performance, its honestly the best gauge for quantitative measurement? You also mentioned ancient architecture, but what are you talking about hear? They are X86 based system, utilizing a ram suited for parallel algorithm just like it's current pc counterpart. Look, I'm not hear to discredit you, I just want to know the specifics on how you can up with this number.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

The same thing last year with Wired articles. Sony gained much more traction than Scarlett teaser at E3. Oh Navi, Zen2,...much more of the same like PS5.....then simple PS5 logo gained much more internet traction than whole XSX reveal at TGA.

Good thing Sony has those Instagram likes while Microsoft has the headlines on gaming websites every two weeks... Just because you have a lot of followers on social media that just like stuff doesn't mean you are doing well with the actual gamers that read articles and follow this closely. Because it's us the actual gamers that follow this together with the gaming media that give an indication to the casuals what to buy. And if Microsoft slowly changes the opinion of the gamers week by week it does way more than a logo reveal that casual gamers like.

 

[tflopsmatter]

I want to tell all of you what my dream is for a PS5 game.

A mostly indoor location so that the quality of the room and characters can be maximized.

1080P maximum instead of wasting so many resources on 4K.

30FPS locked.

Full ray tracing of everything to make it seem photorealistic.

For example, I think a good story would be a group of survivors in a huge mansion with one large interior court yard trying to survive a zombie outbreak. They could be rushing to board up windows, killing zombies when they bust through the windows, fighting over resources, etc. Occasionally, they could exist the house to make their way to a vehicle and then go to another nearby location to try and find resources.

I think a game like this could be nearly photorealistic on the PS5 if it had a large enough budget.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Good thing Sony has those Instagram likes while Microsoft has the headlines on gaming websites every two weeks... Just because you have a lot of followers on social media that just like stuff doesn't mean you are doing well with the actual gamers that read articles and follow this closely. Because it's us the actual gamers that follow this together with the gaming media that give an indication to the casuals what to buy. And if Microsoft slowly changes the opinion of the gamers week by week it does way more than a logo reveal that casual gamers like.

Good thing Sony slaughtered them in sales and have tht 3:1 to one ratio of ppl (you know the 100 million plus) actually waiting to buy the next Sony console. Keep believing these announcements equate to domination of market share lol it didn't mean tht this gen or last but you know tales from ppls asses bcus they are super fans.

 

[TLZ]

I think we have to end a misconception. If an architecture is x % more efficient, that doesn't mean it's x % more powerful. It means it can do the same task with less power consumption. 12 TF RDNA aren't performing as 16 TF GCN. They are as efficient. A floating point operation is just that. A game built for 16 teraflops GCN simply doesn't run on 12 TF RDNA. So no, a 9.2 TF RDNA console is not three times more powerful than a PS4 Pro. It's two point something more powerful and can achieve the same task with less energy consumption.

You don't know what you're talking about. Check DF's tests.

 

[LED Guy?]

I see Blue Nugroho on Twitter (MisterXMedia's friend) is making fun of GAF, Klee, Matt and Tommy Fisher which is really funny considering that he is so delusional beyond repair

 

[splattered]

Guys stop we're getting a 16tf ps5 and it's only gonna cost us a measly $1,000!

 

[tflopsmatter]

The trouble is blanket statements like “2x the power of the Xbox one x” is that if you count the one x as 6tf, then two times the power doesn’t automatically mean it MUST be 12tf. With new system architecture, better SSD, better memory, more cores etc, you could quite easily have let’s say (so I don’t use that other number) a 10tf system be twice as good.

Terror floppings alone don’t tell the whole story. What good is your car going 0-60mph when it steers like a dump truck?

Teraflops do matter more than anything else. They are a measure of the power of a system. A 9.2TF system (lets say with RDNA) isn't going to operate better than a 12TF system with RDNA just because is has been modified. More RAM and other improvements cannot make up for teraflops. We must also remember that every generation there is a huge improvement in architecture. The improvement from the PS4 GPU to the PS5 GPU shouldn't be considered. All that matters is the teraflops.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Good thing Sony slaughtered them in sales and have tht 3:1 to one ratio of ppl (you know the 100 million plus) actually waiting to buy the next Sony console. Keep believing these announcements equate to domination of market share lol it didn't mean tht this gen or last but you know tales from ppls asses bcus they are super fans.

I never said that, nor do I believe it. But Sony fanboys don't always have to defend Sony on every small thing. As if Sony needs to be better than Microsoft at everything...
It's obvious that Microsoft is doing better PR wise at the moment, so don't be so insecure about that. Like you said, it's not changing a lot on the outcome of next gen so why the constant defending.

 

[tflopsmatter]

Guys stop we're getting a 16tf ps5 and it's only gonna cost us a measly $1,000!

No, we are getting at least a 13TF PS5 that will cost around 499 with Sony losing fifty dollars.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Teraflops do matter more than anything else. They are a measure of the power of a system. A 9.2TF system (lets say with RDNA) isn't going to operate better than a 12TF system with RDNA just because is has been modified. More RAM and other improvements cannot make up for teraflops. We must also remember that every generation there is a huge improvement in architecture. The improvement from the PS4 GPU to the PS5 GPU shouldn't be considered. All that matters is the teraflops.

A 20tf machine with 4gb ram and a traditional HDD will NOT beat a 5tf machine with 16gb gddr6 and an ultra fast SSD at loading. It will also thrash memory while trying to load any new data in during gameplay, something that happens all the time.

Its circumstantial.

So as I said... TF doesn’t mean everything to a quality system build, and they don’t tell the whole story.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Confirmed by who?

By Microsoft, becuse they own Github.

 

[Mendou]

I want to tell all of you what my dream is for a PS5 game.

A mostly indoor location so that the quality of the room and characters can be maximized.

1080P maximum instead of wasting so many resources on 4K.

30FPS locked.

Full ray tracing of everything to make it seem photorealistic.

For example, I think a good story would be a group of survivors in a huge mansion with one large interior court yard trying to survive a zombie outbreak. They could be rushing to board up windows, killing zombies when they bust through the windows, fighting over resources, etc. Occasionally, they could exist the house to make their way to a vehicle and then go to another nearby location to try and find resources.

I think a game like this could be nearly photorealistic on the PS5 if it had a large enough budget.

I can't remember anyone complaining that the 1080p output of the Xbone or PS4 looked bad on 4k TVs. With these new specs, a 1080p game could definetly look photorealistic without much effort and I too hope your dream is realised.

Horror games could for example benefit massively from this.

 

[TLZ]

This is not about the math or numbers, it's all about the performance gain and efficiency in PS5 compared to the ancient tech.

At this point I don't care about numbers. Just give me a damn reveal date.

 

[tflopsmatter]

A 20tf machine with 4gb ram and a traditional HDD will NOT beat a 5tf machine with 16gb gddr6 and an ultra fast SSD at loading. It will also thrash memory while trying to load any new data in during gameplay, something that happens all the time.

Its circumstantial.

So as I said... TF doesn’t mean everything to a quality system build, and they don’t tell the whole story.

But the difference between GCN and RDNA means nothing. Some people act like the difference makes it okay for Sony to launch a gimped console. However, we get a huge improvement every time we get a new console. When it comes to measuring the PS4 to the PS5 all that matters is the teraflops. A SDD and ray tracing hardware will not make games look more photorealistic than simply adding more TF.

 

[Mriverz]

www.techradar.com/amp/news/ps5-controller-could-get-one-of-the-best-features-of-modern-smartphones

 

[Gamernyc78]

I never said that, nor do I believe it. But Sony fanboys don't always have to defend Sony on every small thing. As if Sony needs to be better than Microsoft at everything...
It's obvious that Microsoft is doing better PR wise at the moment, so don't be so insecure about that. Like you said, it's not changing a lot on the outcome of next gen so why the constant defending.

It's not about defending. Some of you confuse talking facts with being a fan lol it's very amusing. When Commentors have no go to or cogent argument all they spew is bs like "insecure, fanboy or I have tht console too". If a fact doest prop your console of choice up then it's being a fan and it's very disgenous. Like when I talk about sales and how factually ps3 outsold Xbox 360 worldwide almost every month In its lifespan even though it had inferior multiplats, cost more, had supposedly inferior online and online going down for months ppl still call tht being a fanboy because they can't handle the truth. The facts and truth are tht Sony as a gaming platform is just more popular and ppl prefer it and no matter what Microsoft does, thy won't win in sales. These trickle announcements are not swaying a side like ppl claim. This doesn't show Sony being scared either, thts just narratives ppl are pushing that come out of ppls assses.

Sony has a plan thy will stick to and when ppl get the psv info finally they will still sell gangbusters. Market share isnt built off of announcements but years of quality products ppl are use to playing.

If you are enjoying Microsofts pr thts fine too, that's your opinion and that's fine.

 

[JAMMA]

So an 8K console should be 16TF!?
16TF confirmed guys!!!

16TF could probably handle 8K/30. The 12TF console most likely can do some indie & BC stuff.

 

[JAMMA]

www.techradar.com/amp/news/ps5-controller-could-get-one-of-the-best-features-of-modern-smartphones

The Xbox Elite 2 already has wireless charging. Charging docks are nothing new or game changing. Maybe for PS4?

 

[prinz_valium]

The github leaks are 90% confirmed at this point. all the insiders have been wrong so far. ps5 will most likely be 9.2 teraflops.

Yes, pretty much this.
But maybe lower, because those clocks are to high imho.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Yes, pretty much this.

No let's put it at 8tf 6 if you want to be real edgy and cool.

 

[JAMMA]

the original plan was 9, then that was scrapped for a target of 11.5, which DOES fall in line with the bom listing

I don’t believe that the plan has changed at all and I also don’t see how the BOM doesn’t accurately reflect the 9TF PS5. Sony would only be profiting at $500. I think it fits perfectly and MS is shooting $599 (or more).

 

[Moridianae]

In my opinion, you cannot hold people accountable for the "things change" adage that insiders like to say when things don't go there way here.

The reason is because, in this instance, things really did go to Hell in a handbasket for public events very, very quickly with this virus.

As far as 13TF goes, why not? It is *literally* one TF. ONE..over the Xbox SX *if that* by final kits. It kills me that even though 13TF is theoretically possible, knowing Sony invested heavily in cooling, that the mere mention of one TFs at BEST sends people into a frenzy.

And it's probably not even that--it's probably like 12.6 or 12.8 so they just say 13 like MS does if there is really 11.6 or 11.8... whatever the case may be.

 

[tflopsmatter]

I can't remember anyone complaining that the 1080p output of the Xbone or PS4 looked bad on 4k TVs. With these new specs, a 1080p game could definetly look photorealistic without much effort and I too hope your dream is realised.

Horror games could for example benefit massively from this.

I really think that photorealism is going to be possible this next generation if the resources are not wasted on 4K and high frame rates.

The way I see it, we've never matched the quality of a live action television show on 420P so why keep going for higher and higher resolution until we've at least been able to match live action at low resolution? I would rather play a photorealistic game at 720P than a less than a less than photorealistic game at 4K.

 

[mejin]

But that's to be expected. There are 2x as many PS owners. Of course by default a new PS gets more interest. But interest doesn't translate into sales.

It is not about ps4 install base, but the strength of the brand and mind share imo.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

I don’t believe that the plan has changed at all and I also don’t see how the BOM doesn’t accurately reflect the 9TF PS5. Sony would only be profiting at $500. I think it fits perfectly and MS is shooting $599 (or more).

The bom accurately reflects a system of comparable performance to the SX, but with a few components as slightly better. That would fall in line with being slightly lower flops, slightly better SSD.

There really isn’t anything else to find in it all? It equally doesn’t say it’s 9 any more than it says it’s 13/14?

MS will not target $599. That price is toxic, and a running gag with people not even in the know. It’s common sense that the higher you price your console the worst it will perform at retail, and you want a gold balance between mass adoption and good spec. Both being 12ish is exactly that.

 

[tflopsmatter]

In my opinion, you cannot hold people accountable for the "things change" adage that insiders like to say when things don't go there way here.

The reason is because, in this instance, things really did go to Hell in a handbasket for public events very, very quickly with this virus.

As far as 13TF goes, why not? It is *literally* one TF. ONE..over the Xbox SX *if that* by final kits. It kills me that even though 13TF is theoretically possible, knowing Sony invested heavily in cooling, that the mere mention of one TFs at BEST sends people into a frenzy.

And it's probably not even that--it's probably like 12.6 or 12.8 so they just say 13 like MS does if there is really 11.6 or 11.8... whatever the case may be.

People have been trying to lowball the power of the upcoming consoles for years now. I really don't understand why they seemed so obsessed with convincing everyone that they'd be less than ten TF. To have a generational leap, you must have at least around seven or eight times the TF of the previous generation. Microsoft's next XBOX is going to have eight times the TFLOPs of the XBox One S. If Sony couldn't produce a similar leap, they would wait another year or so.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Only reason why i want PS5 to be 9,2TFLOPs and that GitHub leak to be confirmed is to watch meltdown of this thread

it would be fun to watch and i will grab a popcorn

There, there, be a good guy, take this lollipop, sit right there and think about what you did.

 

[FeiRR]

Good thing Sony has those Instagram likes while Microsoft has the headlines on gaming websites every two weeks... Just because you have a lot of followers on social media that just like stuff doesn't mean you are doing well with the actual gamers that read articles and follow this closely. Because it's us the actual gamers that follow this together with the gaming media that give an indication to the casuals what to buy. And if Microsoft slowly changes the opinion of the gamers week by week it does way more than a logo reveal that casual gamers like.

I'm following Xbox news at the moment because features in next gen consoles will most likely be similar (state-to-disk, lower latency controllers, 3D audio acceleration, overall speed, etc.). I have no interest in Xbox and I can't see them changing my mind. Their games are coming to PC anyway so if I really want to try them, I'll rent them for a month on GP, that'll probably be enough. I'm sure more people are doing the same. What has Microsoft shown so far in terms of games? One pre-rendered artists' vision of a sequel to an AA game which sold quite well for its profile but you definitely can't call it a system seller.

I'm sure Microsoft will sell a bit more consoles next gen because they don't seem to be making the same terrible mistakes. But don't hold your breath and think that a brand like PS with worldwide awareness will suddenly become less popular just because you're rooting for your 'home team'. Xbox comes from Microsoft, which most people detest because we have to deal with their OS at work every day. Xbox GP app on Windows is a pile of crap compared to most other vendor apps, even Epic Store or Origin. It does not do a great job of selling me the brand, to put mildly. A teraflop or two more is not going to change that. I think Lockhart might sell much better if it's priced right and bundled with GP, provided they start releasing games for a broader audience rather than the usual racer duo and two supersoldier-shooting-monsters titles. Meanwhile, Spencer continues to be the same peacock he's always been and says that Sony isn't his competition. I can see Nintendo destroying his plans faster than he thinks while Sony will just do what they've done for 25 years. Google isn't even going to look back. They may have no idea about gaming but they basically own the Internet. There's no way around it.

 

[splattered]

Does BOM also include the controller? Or just the system itself?

 

[LED Guy?]

Only reason why i want PS5 to be 9,2TFLOPs and that GitHub leak to be confirmed is to watch meltdown of this thread

it would be fun to watch and i will grab a popcorn

Except most likely won't be happening, that's the best part of it

 

[MARTYWOLF]

"More than 8 times as powerful as vanilla PS4 and four times as powerful as the PS4 Pro",

Nope lol

 

[Gavin Stevens]

M Moridianae the problem with 13/14 is that you can’t just add on more power like it’s Lego. It throws the whole system out of whack. You are essentially going to be renabling cu’s to do it, when you’re already limited in that regard. This will increase the chance of lowering yields, and as such increase production cost. Or you can increase the base core clock on each and then increase heat by a huge margin, al flr what amounts to a minimal gain. But then you also run the risk of an unbalanced system.

It’s not as simple as “our SSD is 1gb, shall we add a bigger one?”.

So while it’s only 1tf or so, that makes a huge difference to heat, cost, yields etc, and could essentially be the difference between profit or loss.