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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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ethomaz

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How easily people forget what the game "journalists" were doing in 2013. They pander who gives them their ad impression traffic. In 2013 all of the big game journalists were pushing the Xbox One and pandering to that base because at the time the 360 was their chosen messiah. Seven years later and it's the PS4, so grifters like Jason are going to continue to pander to the group that will give him the highest number of clicks on his articles, and right now that's Sony fans.
You have no ideia what happened in 2013 :D
Jason was 100% correct at time like usual.

But of course the 360 fan base believing the Xbox One had a weaker GPU was another story... even after MS official reveal event they were still trying to find the Secret Sauce.
 
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Gamernyc78

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this is why sometimes i love nintendo fans more than sony or ms or even pc fans

all you guys bickering is raw power number, fps, resolution...some of these fanboy even had pleasure looking down on others wherever there chances arise

i rather watching nintendo fans bickering about pokemon games than always whinning about tf number, fps, and native resolution

OH plz Stop the bs before when wii and wiiu was out it was same bs with those fans it's just not even close now so they have no foundation to even bicker like tht. I remember the fights pre call of duty release with them fighting and talking shit bcus ppl on here would tell them it wouldn't be 1080p native bcus the console was weak for current Gen. And let's not get into the my exclusives are better battle trolling and arguments lol
 
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ManaByte

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You have no ideia what happened in 2013 :D

I don't. Don't tell me what I know or don't know. I was right in the middle of the resolution gate stuff. I got blocked on Twitter by most of the Polygon staff for pointing out their bullshit lies such as when they went on a live stream and said the PS4 can't use a remote control and grandma would buy the Xbox One over it because you could use a remote to watch the TV TV TV.

Don't come at me assuming you know me.
 

ethomaz

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I don't. Don't tell me what I know or don't know. I was right in the middle of the resolution gate stuff. I got blocked on Twitter by most of the Polygon staff for pointing out their bullshit lies such as when they went on a live stream and said the PS4 can't use a remote control and grandma would buy the Xbox One over it because you could use a remote to watch the TV TV TV.

Don't come at me assuming you know me.
You don't because what you said is wrong... and I don't need to know you to say that lol
 
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johnjohn

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It's just a shame @Tommy Fisher said 13 tfs + long before BGs started posting in the thread. Else you might have been correct with your bill mess.

Not liking what the guy is saying is not a valid excuse to chat shit. Some of us have been here longer than 2 weeks...
I'm talking about the secret reveal event that was supposed to happen the next day that somehow no one knew about LMAO.
At least tag me and Gamernyc78 Gamernyc78 you chicken 😂😂😂

And I’m not really a Sony fanboy, maybe I’m leaning towards PlayStation, yes but at the same time, I am objective when it comes to this stuff, I just subscribed to Xbox Game Pass 6 months just to continue playing Gears 5 and Forza Horizon 4 (love those games so much ❤❤❤), and I’m so impressed with the Xbox Series X specs, it DESTROYS my PC in everything!!

We are getting Ryzen 3700X + RTX 2080/2080Ti almost performance with a super fast NVMe SSD in the XSX and PS5, it will be a huge generational leap!

But my problem is with the Xbox fanboys lately spreading lies and misinformation by showing their bias and saying PS5 will be 9.2 TF “because GitHub” even though there are many other information and some journalists saying otherwise.

It really baffles me when I see Xbox fanboys WISHING PS5 to have a 9.2 TF RDNA 1 while XSX have 12 TF RDNA 2 even though it will only make base games from a 3rd party standpoint look worse overall, because we all know the PS5 will be where all the developers will focus on and build their games towards that system’s specifications, let’s say it really is 9.2 TF, then you’ll see XSX having better shadows and a bit higher resolution.

BUT IF both consoles are 12 TF RDNA 2 then you’ll see games looking better overall than seeing one with 9.2 TF (market dominant) and the other being 12 TF (the one where developers do not really focus on as much as the market dominant).

Think before you talk, Xbox zealots. 😅😅
Ok, I take it back. This is my favorite post in the thread. "Not a Sony fanboy", "I am objective"...
 
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Falc67

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Guys and girls, I just had a thought run through my head while reading some Youtube comments. Don't kill me for this, yes it was Youtube comments but this one in particular made me consider something I haven't really considered up to now.

We know for a fact Sony is using hardware-based emulation for backwards-compatibilty, correct? As that's what they did with PS4 compatibility on PS4 Pro, and are therefore likely doing with PS4 and PS4 Pro compatibility on PS5. Now we also know that both PS4 and PS4 Pro are GCN architecture machines, with Pro being a more advanced generation (I think it's GCN 3 IIRC).

And we also know that RDNA features both Navi and GCN architectural features, whereas RDNA2 is fully Navi, correct? So......

Wouldn't this more or less solidify PS5 is definitely using RDNA1? And whatever RDNA2 features it is using, like VRS and VRR, have been custom-added to the chip? While it's maybe possible they are using RDNA2 and customized the chip with GCN microcode and architecture features to ensure compatibility, I don't know how realistic this would actually be given the timing of PS5 silicon spinning up, plus if PS4 and PS4 Pro compatibility is as important to Sony as it seems to be, they probably would want to make the engineering side of things both simpler and more readily reliable by making the foundation RDNA1 while pulling in as many RDNA2 features from the roadmap as possible and as needed.

OTOH we know MS has decided with software-based backwards compatibility, which requires a bit more hardware overhead, but also means they don't have to rely on the presence of GCN architecture on the chip since they can emulate that in software. That would explain why XSX is using RDNA2.

This is just a thought I had; nothing more. Does anyone know if RDNA2 can emulate GCN microcode at the hardware level even if it doesn't have GCN architectural features at its root? I'd be very interested in knowing because if the answer is no, then I don't see how Sony could've gone with RDNA2 fully over RDNA1. And I think there's still a small chance XSX might be using RDNA2 but on the RDNA1 process, but they wouldn't have a need for the GCN features on the chip like Sony would. IIRC, either Sony or MS could be implementing RDNA2 features as a standard of architectural features even on 7nm process instead of 7nm+, so I still think it's possible that's what MS's done and it's very probable that's what Sony is doing, too.



Unfortunately you might be right. Man, this decade's off to a bad start >(

XSX is ‘Custom’ RDNA 2.0 - I’d have to assume that means it’s not using the full RDNA 2.0 features; similar to what you described with PS5?
 

ManaByte

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You don't because what you said is wrong... and I don't need to know you to say that lol

It's not wrong. Outlets like IGN, Polygon, and hell even Digital Foundry were pushing the Xbox One over the PS4 at launch because they were coming off a very lucrative 360 generation. It wasn't until months after launch that they realized that the PS4 was running games at 1080p rather than 720p on the Xbox.

Hell it was IGN who famously said on a podcast that the human eye can't even see 1080p (now that idiot works for EA).
 

44alltheway

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So I have some questions for the thread:

-Do you all think Microsoft does some other sort of next-gen reveal before E3 (whether it be inside xbox, or just an article)?

-When does Sony finally fully reveal their console?

-Does Sony release another Wired article? If so, what will it cover?
 
"More than 8 times as powerful as vanilla PS4 and four times as powerful as the PS4 Pro",

8 x 1.84 = 14.72

4 x 4.2 = 16.8

14.72 GCN = 11.04 Navi (now where have I seen that number before...oh that's right, I arrived at that number weeks ago xD)

16.8 GCN = 12.6 Navi (and now where have I seen that number before...oh that's right, from that 4chan "leak" that also mentioned a 500GB SSD)

The first one's possible, but other things have to come forth to make it so. The 2nd less so, because it'd be north of Navi's sweetspot and if Sony were still able to somehow push a chip that big to that high a frequency, there's nothing preventing MS from doing the same. But there's a reason (thermal concerns, board integrity, pricing etc.) why they went with the lower end of the sweetspot, things I'm sure Sony would consider too.

Is it possible Sony would've skimped on the SSD capacity to go crazy with the cooling? Maybe. But again, this and even the first example don't have any retrieved benchmarks verifying their existence through actual data. But Oberon does. And several products matching retrieved data testing results have been officially confirmed matching those specs precisely. So far nothings' been found for a PS5-related chip with hardware capacities allowing for the numbers mentioned before (at safe or even somewhat safe clocks, anyway), so until such a chip stepping/revision surfaces or they're pushing a full 40CU Oberon past 2450MHz, neither scenario is likely to happen.

Or just admit that you're trolling everyone here
 
Gear 5 is almost native 4K and 60fps, while Uncharted is 1440p and 30fps (comparing both on enhanced consoles), so yes, Gears is much more impressive technically, while Uncharted have "better" art direction (in brackets as this is subjective)

Far from it.

That said, actual native rendering resolution is adjusting regularly during gameplay, producing results on X such as 1584p, 1728p, 2160p

Since game has such a wide variety of resolutions, it's easy to conclude that game rarely hits 4k native.
 

ethomaz

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It's not wrong. Outlets like IGN, Polygon, and hell even Digital Foundry were pushing the Xbox One over the PS4 at launch because they were coming off a very lucrative 360 generation. It wasn't until months after launch that they realized that the PS4 was running games at 1080p rather than 720p on the Xbox.

Hell it was IGN who famously said on a podcast that the human eye can't even see 1080p (now that idiot works for EA).
Jason was 100% in 2012-2013.
Moving the goal post won't change that and make you right.
Now let's see if he is right or not this time.
 
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JLB

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You know what about DF always make me laugh?
In 2013 launch, Fifa 14 was 1080P/60fps on ps4 and 720p on xbox one, but despite being a site dedicated to technical things, they gave recommendations on buying the Xbox One version because "it comes with exclusive legends" why is that? they will be left with egg on their face at the reveal. glass always half full when they look at MS. since ps3 days, always.

are you sure that fifa14 was 720 on xbox one? i dont think so.

edit: confirmed, its bullshit. Was 1080p in both.
 
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Mr Moose

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It's not wrong. Outlets like IGN, Polygon, and hell even Digital Foundry were pushing the Xbox One over the PS4 at launch because they were coming off a very lucrative 360 generation. It wasn't until months after launch that they realized that the PS4 was running games at 1080p rather than 720p on the Xbox.

Hell it was IGN who famously said on a podcast that the human eye can't even see 1080p (now that idiot works for EA).
 

Gudji

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Let me get this straight:

-You own an Xbox because you cannot stand the noise of your shitty PS4

I own an Xbox One because I bought one in 2015 to play HALO and GEARS.

-Guesses can sometimes be right, especially as the gradually change and are adjusted over time to fit the current narrative of the week.

If you say. Jason and Matt know more than you for sure.

-The Github leak is NOW real to you, but the context stayed tge same for Xbox but magically must have changed for PS5

I never said the github leak wasn't real, get your facts straight. 12 TF was MS plan all along (penello confirmed it this week on era), sony plans changed, that's all I've been saying.

-You’ll buy an XSX if the difference is YUUUUUUUUUGE. In other words it will be “good enough” no matter what and not huge since you refused to give a number.

Huge being over 20%. And stop saying things I didn't say, I already told you I own an XBOX.

-You live in Europe where PS is more popular. Ok? What’s your point? That’s like saying that Xbox is inferior regardless of specs just because you live Japan. These consoles are region free, but you’re saying that no matter what you’re going to choose PS because your country digs it. That’s fine, but once again I didn’t think you’d stray from your Japanese console lovin’ nationalistic views.

My point being that everyone here has playstation consoles or nintendo consoles. Very few people know what an xbox is as a matter of fact.
If you have friends to share games with, you're going to find out that most people own playstation consoles. If you need another controller a friend can bring it, etc.
You must have friends?

-The truth is that probably nobody gives a rats arse about wherever you’re from in Europe except your own people. Sony doesn’t literally actually love you, I’m sorry. Brands are brands.

Wow you're a genius, who would have thought about that. I always thought Jim Ryan was my friend. /s
I get better playstation offers in my country, I get my own language put into sony games amongst other advantages. You'd knew about that if you lived here.

-You “PREFER SONY EXCLUSIVES BECAUSE THEY’RE BETTER!11122”!
Better? your opinion is better? Solid argument, kudos.

Like I said yes, it's a matter of opinion.

Do you have one single valid argument? Troll on, fanboy. This is heavily a Pro-PS forum so I’m not surprised, but your strength in forum fanboy numbers can’t change facts or reality no matter what.

All of my previous arguments are valid, your views and comments on the other hand are kinda funny and lack logic.
I go by logic and facts - the ones you love so much - I don't make shit up, never did, never will because that's the way I am.

I’ll finish you off with your own words and advice:
“Now that you got yourself a nice dose of reality, maybe you can stop going full fanboy and start being less annoying. Have a good day.”

Is that all? Whew and here I thought you'd actually see the light but no, instead you keep doing what you've been doing for weeks. Goodbye, see you in a few weeks. :)
 

ethomaz

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Funny how people worship Resetera's PR manager when he says something they like.
Sorry but that comment makes no sense or I can't understand.

If it is about Jason then he says only what he has certain and that independent of the user base he will make sad or happy.
The fact he is basically flawless in his "inside" info tell more than what you are trying to create here.
 
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So I have some questions for the thread:

-Do you all think Microsoft does some other sort of next-gen reveal before E3 (whether it be inside xbox, or just an article)?

-When does Sony finally fully reveal their console?

-Does Sony release another Wired article? If so, what will it cover?

I was curious if Microsoft is going to do a pre-E3 reveal and just leave E3 to showing off games, etc. as well, they have already released quite a bit of info about the console!

I think the full reveal will have between now and E3 or maybe very shortly after, hopefully sooner than later!

In my bones I feel there is one more Wired article coming but I could be wrong, they have been extremely silent so I feel like the storm is brewing for a larger info release!
 

StreetsofBeige

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So I have some questions for the thread:

-Do you all think Microsoft does some other sort of next-gen reveal before E3 (whether it be inside xbox, or just an article)?

-When does Sony finally fully reveal their console?

-Does Sony release another Wired article? If so, what will it cover?
Nobody knows about Sony as they’ve said nothing and have shut down all shows in the next while.

as for Ms doing a reveal before E3, hmmmmm.... I’m thinking they won’t bother and will just do a big thing at E3. They’ve been dripping info sporadically about the new Xbox system so I see them continuing to do so. Then at E3 do a more detailed show about specs and demos.

as for a PS5 article, I doubt it. Next time you hear big info about PS5 will probably be their reveal. It was weird how Wired even got that first bits of info since they aren’t even a dedicated gaming site.
 
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saintjules

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I didn't want to believe it. Seems the Gamestop right by my house is one of the ones closing. Luckily there's two others in the surrounding areas. Just further out.

 
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Mr Moose

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are you sure that fifa14 was 720 on xbox one? i dont think so.

edit: confirmed, its bullshit. Was 1080p in both.
I remember Call of Duty Ghosts being one of the first 720p v 1080p games. Fifa were all 1080p, I think, and Pro Evo was... Less?
 

Kumomeme

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OH plz Stop the bs before when wii and wiiu was out it was same bs with those fans it's just not even close now so they have no foundation to even bicker like tht. I remember the fights pre call of duty release with them fighting and talking shit bcus ppl on here would tell them it wouldn't be 1080p native bcus the console was weak for current Gen. And let's not get into the ip first battle trolling and arguments lol
relax...why everyone on the nerve...i didnt say they is bunch of saint...they same too still bunch of toxic..remember what smash fans does to sakurai?

i just give example here as how i dissapointed with how this thread discussion going on..as the mods said,

Let's get back to a more civil discourse in here.
 
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ethomaz

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I remember Call of Duty Ghosts being one of the first 720p v 1080p games. Fifa were all 1080p, I think, and Pro Evo was... Less?
Ghosts were probably the biggest difference at launch (MS had do upclock the CPU/GPU why Activision were not reaching that 720p to ship the game).
Others games were more like 1080p on PS4 and 900p on XB1.
Some exceptions like Battlefield 4 900p vs 720p and sport games that did run 1080p in both.
 

ethomaz

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Yea he's the guy who helped launch the site by running a story on Kotaku directing people to it.
This one?

Seems like a report news about the communities.
BTW what he described was what happened... he told the story about what happened.
I don't see him saying the accusations were true or not.
 
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It's not wrong. Outlets like IGN, Polygon, and hell even Digital Foundry were pushing the Xbox One over the PS4 at launch because they were coming off a very lucrative 360 generation. It wasn't until months after launch that they realized that the PS4 was running games at 1080p rather than 720p on the Xbox.

Hell it was IGN who famously said on a podcast that the human eye can't even see 1080p (now that idiot works for EA).
Jason Schreirer is not ALL Kotaku, what is written there it's not just him.
If you have a net of connection you need to keep it, people are not gonna give you infos if you screw over them.
In Blood and Pixels, Jason completely exposed the absurd development of Inqusition, then published the interview with Anthem's developers about all that shit. It was all very, very nasty stuff, if it weren't real no one at Bioware would have talk to him again, yet: Anthem 2.0 it's true, what a surprise.
If he's pandering for PS, how he predicted also the power of SeX? Why someone at MS or someone with a devkit told him if he's going to shit on that infos anyway?
He wrote a book exposing the disorganization of many important companies, you can't do that and don't go in jail after a while if you can't prove it's true, you're making multi milions companies look bad, and if you lie about it you are a dick, because that's where other people works. Yet, all that people that works in the industry still inform him about a lot of stuff, how it is possible?
Because he's not liying, and he's saying SeX and PS5 are mostly on par, not that PS5 gonna shit on Xbox. And again, everyone went LMAO when he said that the SeX GPU gonna be superior to 2080, it was actualy pretty crazy, right? Crazy, but true.
 
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ManaByte

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Ghosts were probably the biggest difference at launch (MS had do upclock the CPU/GPU why Activision were not reaching that 720p to ship the game).
Others games were more like 1080p on PS4 and 900p on XB1.
Some exceptions like Battlefield 4 900p vs 720p and sport games that did run 1080p in both.

This is BS revisionist history. For most of the first year on the Xbox One the norm was 720p, even in first party games like Killer Instinct and major exclusives like Dead Rising 3.

900p didn't become standard until the second E3 after the newer SDK was made available.

This one?

Seems like a report news about the communities.
BTW what he described was what happened.
Jason Shreirer is not ALL Kotatsu, what is written there it's not just him.
If you have a net of connection you need to keep it, people are not gonna give you infos if you screw over them.
In Blood and Pixels, Jason completely exposed the absurd development of Inqusition, then published the interview with Anthem's developers about all that shit. It was all very, very nasty stuff, if it weren't real no one at Bioware would have talk to him again, yet: Anthem 2.0 it's true, what a surprise.
If he's pandering for PS, how he predicted also the power of SeX? Why someone at MS or someone with a devkit told him if he's going to shit on that infos anyway?
He wrote a book exposing the disorganization of many important companies, you can't do that and don't go in jail after a while if you can't prove it's true, you're making multi milions companies look bad, and if you lie about it you are a dick, because that's where other people works. Yet, all that people that works in the industry still inform him about a lot of stuff, how it is possible?
Because he's not liying, and he's saying SeX and PS5 are mostly on par, not that PS5 gonna shit on Xbox. And again, everyone went LMAO when he said that the GPUs gonna be superior to 2080, it was actualy pretty crazy, right? Crazy, but true until now.

It's funny how in every other thread on this forum people see Jason for what he is, but as soon as he hints at things Sony fans want to see he's a savior in this thread.
 

JAMMA

Last warning for console wars
Whew and here I thought you'd actually see the light but no, instead you keep doing what you've been doing for weeks. Goodbye, see you in a few weeks. :)

Mod of War requested that you and I stop poking each other, I’m honoring that request unlike yourself so maybe *you* need a few weeks off. We both have different opinions & we disagree with each other on nearly everything. Can we agree to disagree? It’s over. chill.
 
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Rockstar is teasing...
Kojima production is teasing...
Godfall devs "really really soon"

Something is going to happen early March 🤯🤯🤯
Was the march 3 guy correct ?👀🤔 invites or prerecorded video or wired article. Give us something lol
 
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This is BS revisionist history. For most of the first year on the Xbox One the norm was 720p, even in first party games like Killer Instinct and major exclusives like Dead Rising 3.

900p didn't become standard until the second E3 after the newer SDK was made available.




It's funny how in every other thread on this forum people see Jason for what he is, but as soon as he hints at things Sony fans want to see he's a savior in this thread.
Ah, I see. No arguments. But makes sense.
 
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Roronoa Zoro

Gold Member
Ghosts were probably the biggest difference at launch (MS had do upclock the CPU/GPU why Activision were not reaching that 720p to ship the game).
Others games were more like 1080p on PS4 and 900p on XB1.
Some exceptions like Battlefield 4 900p vs 720p and sport games that did run 1080p in both.
Whatever happened with that? Did we just stop caring or did devs stop making resolution different and just made less noticable enhancements and framerate was more stable on PS4?
 
Let me get this straight:

-You own an Xbox because you cannot stand the noise of your shitty PS4

-Guesses can sometimes be right, especially as they gradually change and are adjusted over time to fit the current narrative of the week.

-The Github leak is NOW real to you, but the context stayed the same for Xbox but magically must have changed for PS5

-You’ll buy an XSX if the difference is YUUUUUUUUUGE. In other words it will be “good enough” no matter what and not huge since you refused to give a number.

-You live in Europe where PS is more popular. Ok? What’s your point? That’s like saying that Xbox is inferior regardless of specs just because you live Japan. These consoles are region free, but you’re saying that no matter what you’re going to choose PS because your country digs it. That’s fine, but once again I didn’t think you’d stray from your Japanese console lovin’ nationalistic views.

-The truth is that probably nobody gives a rats arse about wherever you’re from in Europe except your own people. Sony doesn’t literally actually love you, I’m sorry. Brands are brands.

-You “PREFER SONY EXCLUSIVES BECAUSE THEY’RE BETTER!11122”!
Better? your opinion is better? Solid argument, kudos.


Do you have one single valid argument? Troll on, fanboy. This is heavily a Pro-PS forum so I’m not surprised, but your strength in forum fanboy numbers can’t change facts or reality no matter what.

I’ll finish you off with your own words and advice:
“Now that you got yourself a nice dose of reality, maybe you can stop going full fanboy and start being less annoying. Have a good day.”

Pretty aggressive ( one of the few ) post because member said some logical stuff. Local support is one of the reason for buying a console.
 
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ethomaz

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This is BS revisionist history. For most of the first year on the Xbox One the norm was 720p, even in first party games like Killer Instinct and major exclusives like Dead Rising 3.

900p didn't become standard until the second E3 after the newer SDK was made available.




It's funny how in every other thread on this forum people see Jason for what he is, but as soon as he hints at things Sony fans want to see he's a savior in this thread.
Revisionist history pro Xbox One? C'mon.


CoD: Ghosts and Fox Engine titles (MGS5:GS and PES) were 720p on Xbox One and 1080p on PS4.
Others games were 900p to 1080p difference or equivalent (720p to 900p for example).

Like I said that 720p vs 1080p difference was spotted in very few titles.

You have no ideia what others threads says about Jason I guess.
And he is no savior... he is just reliable no matter the side.

But hey... what do you will say if he turn out RIGHT again? There is basically no evidences against what he said.
 
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And I literally said “That’s fine”

That doesn't matter in the end because this :

-You live in Europe where PS is more popular. Ok? What’s your point? That’s like saying that Xbox is inferior regardless of specs just because you live Japan. These consoles are region free, but you’re saying that no matter what you’re going to choose PS because your country digs it. That’s fine, but once again I didn’t think you’d stray from your Japanese console lovin’ nationalistic views.

-The truth is that probably nobody gives a rats arse about wherever you’re from in Europe except your own people.
Sony doesn’t literally actually love you, I’m sorry. Brands are brands.

Do you have one single valid argument? Troll on, fanboy. This is heavily a Pro-PS forum so I’m not surprised, but your strength in forum fanboy numbers can’t change facts or reality no matter what.
 

ethomaz

Banned
Whatever happened with that? Did we just stop caring or did devs stop making resolution different and just made less noticable enhancements and framerate was more stable on PS4?
The difference is pretty noticeable even today.
Every multiplatform release shows Xbox One version in a deplorable state in either resolution or framerate... sometimes even both.
But Xbox fan base only talks about Xbox One X and forget Xbox One exists.

A part of the big difference at launch was due the XDK of XB1 being way more immature than the PS4's SDK... after MS fixed most XDK issues the difference become that of we see today and more inline with the power difference between the machines... being simples the difference between the power of the consoles is more like 900p to 1080p difference and not 720p to 1080p difference.
 
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saintjules

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Where is that? Looks familiar. Greenlawn?
It is!...Long Island Brethren lol.

They will be closing on March 31st. Any existing pre-orders from this store, you will be notified by email to choose either the Huntington or Commack location to pick up your items.

Sad times, but thankfully it sounds like these stores will remain open for a while.
 
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