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FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
If the chip has a higher number of CUs then having higher clock speeds would be a bigger problem and yields even lower, as guaranteeing a very high number of CUs means the chips will be a lot more expensive.
Kdad
Member
Fuck, if they are only making one I call dibs on Saturdays from 4pm to 10pm.
Gamernyc78
Banned
He was probably one of them alts lol deadass don't bother.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Maybe, you could be right as well. We will all find out, and if he is proven a troll then he will probably be piled on and banned.
geordiemp
Member
Try to use your noggin ...
1. How many dev kits and revisions are there ?
2. Then there is target specs that can change.
3, Time and who has what information at what date.
So its easy to understand different numbers that are correct vs time. It could also be all bullshit, no one is to be believed 100 %, there is always doubt until its official.
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it_wasn't_me
Banned
Me? Apologize to you? Calling me a twit? Never!
Since you said this one too :
You said something to MrX and suddenly you are nicer? Naaaah.
Reminds me on this tweet of yours and look who liked it :
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Fun Fanboy
Banned
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Fun Fanboy
Banned
I call cool ranch!!!
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
How long have you been sitting on that to try and slander me again? Lol. I'm glad you found stupid stuff that I admitted to being wrong about 5 years ago. Rotfl. You really have no comprehension of reality so carry on, warrior. Going to doxx me next? You've threatened me before. Talk about people that dont change. Get help, kid.Me? Apologize to you? Calling me a twit? Never!
Since you said this one too :
Reminds me on this tweet of yours and look who liked it :
MrPotato
Member
Audiophile
Gold Member
Apologies if you've already breached the subject (thread's too big to check), but what's your personal take on the github leaks?
Assuming they're legit, it has to be related as the 800/911MHz clocks in "BC_" modes are too obvious to ignore, but my current take is that it's barebones, purpose built silicon purely for ballpark BC testing and general performance testing (for further extrapolation). Likely due to RDNA1.9/2 not being available at the time in an appropriate config and it being more economically viable and good enough to do multiple tests on established ip rather than doing multiple revisions on immature ip at a later date.
My old theory was CUs were being shut off and in the case of the 2GHz mode, it was simply clocking higher to brute force Enhanced BC modes while simplifying the work devs have to do (not having to make major adjustments to task management/scheduling across more CUs).
Total speculation of course, but 9TF would just be insane to me..
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IkarugaDE
Member
Fuck this is art!Please show us
saintjules
Member
Yeah, which I would have figured as much. I am anticipating on the next business day from the announcement that they will push pre-orders.
ZywyPL
Banned
I don't know, seeing how MS desperately aimed for a round 6TF figure for X1X, I can see them doing everything possible to reach that round 12.0x TF again, so they can use it as a marketing tool instead of something like 11,8 for example. And the "twice as powerful as X1X!" as well.
So something like 1563Mhz (60CU), 1674MHz (56CU) or 1803Mhz (52CU), just to be that 0,01TF above the magic 12.
And if we do some fancy math, looking at 5700XT that has 40CU and a die size of 251mm, it takes an estimated 6,275mm^2 die size per a single CU. In comparison the 60Cu Radon VII that's also a 7nm chip uses estimated 5,5mm per a single CU. That's a dummy math I know, but the numbers of ROPs, TMUs, cache etc. are more or less associated with the number of CUs anyway, so let's use that 6,275mm number for some nerd science here, assuming RDNA2 won't be any bigger/more complex.
So a 60CU, given the same 7nm process and RDNA1 architecture, would translate into a 376mm GPU, which given the estimated die size of XBX APU of 405-410mm wouldn't leave any space left for either an 8C CPU, the RT cores, all of the the controllers - SSD, RAM, Ethernet, WiFi, BT, BD and what's not. Bare in mind a single 7nm Zen 2 CCX (4C+cache chiplet) is roughly 31mm^2, so for 8C we need about 62mm alone, and what about the rest of the mentioned components?
56Cu = 351mm, still rather too big for what the consoles will provide.
52CU = 326mm - now we're getting somewhere.
But the thing is, Navi GPUs are able to achieve a sustainable 2-2.1GHz clock speeds. Yes, I know it needs high voltage and a as a result a beefy cooling, but here the catch -the Hovis Method, which is basically nothing else than the combination of undervolting and overclocking, so a GPU/CPU uses just as little voltage as really necessary to reach the desired frequencies. So let's say the GPU in XBX will reach something between 1850/1900/1950Mhz, now we're at 50-48CU, 313, 307 and 301mm respectively, plus the mentioned 62mm for the CPU, leaving some actual space left for the other stuff.
So I don't know, do with those calculations whatever you want guys lol.
Dare you say how is this anyhow thread related? NV said long time ago they're not interested in consoles with their business model, a.k.a. tiny profit margins, and both next-gen consoles were as well long time ago confirmed to be yet again using complete AMD solution.
And I don't know how to even comment on that one, nice spam I guess?
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IkarugaDE
Member
The fuck. This github leak is worse than a pimple on the ass. You just can't get rid of itApologies if you've already breached the subject (thread's too big to check), but what's your personal take on the github leaks?
Assuming they're legit, it has to be related as the 800/911MHz clocks in "BC_" modes are too obvious to ignore, but my current take is that it's barebones, purpose built silicon purely for ballpark BC testing and general performance testing (for further extrapolation). Likely due to RDNA1.9/2 not being available at the time in an appropriate config and it being more economically viable and good enough to do multiple tests on established ip rather than doing multiple revisions on immature ip at a later date.
My old theory was CUs were being shut off and in the case of the 2GHz mode, it was simply clocking higher to brute force Enhanced BC modes while simplifying the work devs have to do to (not having to make major adjustments to task management/scheduling across more CUs).
Total speculation of course, but 9TF would just be insane to me..
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Oh for fuck's sake can we don't talk about the credibility on the VERY SAME INSIDERS every ten pages?
We gonna know, all this gibberish will turn to nothing by the time we got some games.
We gonna know, all this gibberish will turn to nothing by the time we got some games.
TheStruggler
Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
I know this is chess not checkers, Im just curious as to why they havent even revealed or nailed down a date for a reveal just yet. I mean we will prob get a reveal date and they have to wait mode for the reveal. I wonder if they just aint ready to show/talk about it yet but for what reason I wonder?
saintjules
Member
Crying me a River are ya?
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Kdad
Member
Dude. Calm down. Truly, I have no idea who you are or what your history is, but noticed your posts today and you're simply...distasteful. Stop trying to stir shit for zero reason...do you have anything to positively add to the the topic of the thread?
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Like i said. You didn't change even you abandoned MrX forum years ago so, regarding that, was never wrong. You still have the same habits. Cheers!
FranXico
Member
Come on man. That's silly. MS don't control every bit of info on GitHub.
Gamernyc78
Banned
When someone says "fucks sake" we know thy serious
But I agree with you the redundancy is maddening!!!
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
My guess is that despite everyone wanting everything to be binary, 100% one way and correct or it's 100% wrong, the rumor mill is more fluid and hit-and-miss than that. Things can change or be wrong. Even in Orisis' case, he had a set of numbers at one point, then he PM'd in April 2019 and said they changed. In the past I found his numbers to be, perhaps unreliable, but I don't have many doubts about his experience with next-gen software and some of his hits on reveals are uncanny. People are just passing along info as they get it. Depending on the source, the timelines might not match up.
I think there were substantially different iterations of the PS5, and possibly a complete overhaul to a different model at some point 2-3yrs ago. It could explain a lot. There's no doubt in my mind that Gonzalo/Oberon were or are related to PS5, but maybe the plan changed and they were used as transitional dev hardware? DF stated they were 99% sure Gonzalo/Oberon is the PS5 SoC. It will be interesting to see a retrospective on the development process of the hardware.
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pawel86ck
Banned
Team 30TF is going forward no matter what
. I expect 30TF 3080ti will run PS5 / XSX ports for at least 5 years.
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FeiRR
Banned
With admin rights, you can put some info there, find it, etc. But as I said, it might be just my hat. Nobody's been caught redhanded.
JLMC469
Banned
These are called " Panic clocks" TM
Looks like XSX might need one too
X & XSX - “Panic clocks”
Again, the hyperboles are amazing.
Audiophile
Gold Member
Unpopular opinion: I like the touchpad, nice tactility, underused and underappreciated when it was used well..
Saying that, I also liked JarJar Binks, so I'm not exactly credible.
Gamernyc78
Banned
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
thebigmanjosh
Member
The math has already been worked out a few times:
Before anyone jumps on me for posting this, I don’t believe the PS5 will come in at 36-40 CUs. Just showing for reference.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Maybe he means Heath, like a Heath chocolate bar attack.I don't know if the "hearth" is to make soup or give heart attacks but I agree
ethomaz
Banned
Ohhhh he was a Misterxmedia follower?
Everything makes sense now.
wowbaggerBR
Member
First things first, I laugh hard at the GitHub Delusionals since December.
But stop man, stop right there: the data leaked on GitHub was leaked because a poor sap simply posted publicly, on his own damn repo. GitHub has nothing to do with it.
It would be like an Apple intern posting iPhone specs on his YouTube channel and people accusing Google for the leak.
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Von Hugh
Member
With you on the shame wall for impersonating an insider and failing the vetting process?
FeiRR
Banned
Okay, I didn't know the whole picture, thanks for clarifying.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
You ain't sleeping, especially if your phone is near you. You'll think of a funny meme and jump back on. I had to cut the cord for a few months. I don't know why there's such a crack cocaine-like effect from next-gen hype.Ok gotta sleep now, 5-ish of hours to sleep "happily"
SportsFan581
Member
Team 30TF is going forward no matter what
Don't spoil the fun, people in here want to believe the next gen consoles are going to be high-end. I wonder where Nvidia's mid -range cards will land if the top is 30tf ish?
Zoro7
Banned
Crack cocaine addiction is easier to deal with. You know a dealer, you call, you pay and you get. Sony aint giving us shit dammit!
TheAmazingSpiderMan
Member
Are we still expecting anything to happen on the 3rd?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Don't spoil the fun, people in here want to believe the next gen consoles are going to be high-end. I wonder where Nvidia's mid -range cards will land if the top is 30tf ish?
Land at $1200.
geordiemp
Member
I read all Misterxmedia, it was the funniest shit I ahve ever read, imaginging this russian kid in his basement with his imaginary friend lol
Although Powa of the cloud was just as funny as that hidden powerbrick GPU, and that was MS direct, so who knows.
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